[RIPwtaworld]

She didn't say anything about Iga. She answered a question about the schedule.

We really don't have to give every messy click bait article life here.

 

[QINWEN-GOAT]

2ga got served

@ONS-GOAT

 

[Tomma17]

I’m assuming there are several defensive Iga fans in here, because it is a weird fallacy that Qinwen didn’t “survive” the calendar, when last I checked, she’s still entered in multiple events on this calendar. Iga said the same last year when she herself missed a chunk of 1000 events… so seems a bit contradictory.

Qinwen’s point seems to be that the best players need to be fit enough to be able to play ~20 events over a 52 week year. I agree.

 

[marquee_]

Zheng should have been out for 6 months with her injury. Thats the last person i’d shame for retiring.

 

[Kerbicz]

The new WTA rules about the players' Commitments are absurd. Top players are obliged to play 20 tournaments in a season (not counting the YEC). It's sheer nonsense to demand that a player who typically plays 4-6 matches per tourney, attend 20 of them. Even the most hardworking competitors can't meet this condition - Aryna & Iga have played 16 tournaments within the last 52 weeks each. And the mandatory minimum should be tailored to the strength of average athletes in the field, and not the busiest ones. The argument that they can skip some tournaments fails to be convincing when we realise that skipping mandatory events is actually a necessity and not just a possibility.

Let's observe that the rule of 20 mandatory tourneys, jointly with the principle of 18 tourneys included into the ranking count, implies that a leading player will inevitably have at least two results removed from the count. Even if she attends less than 18 events. It's another absurdity - to implement a system of rules that forces, as a necessary effect, the disqualification of some of the results obtained on court. The number of Commitment Tournaments per player should be reduced to 15-16, no more.

 

[Sheriff]

It's true that players are not forced to follow the schedule and I agree it's irrational for them to risk injury/burnout in doing so, but shouldn't the rules/schedule be defensible on their own merits? What is the purpose of rules that if followed, top players see as detrimental to their health and longevity? You describe Swiatek as 'running herself into the ground', but all she's doing is just following the rulebook.

I see the mandatory rules as simply providing incentives for players to be as active as possible, given the investments of patrons in those Tier 1/Masters/ 1000 events. It’s an entirely fair trade for those stakeholders to require commitments of the tours to field the best players, given the money they're pouring into the WTA and ATP and and the tournament prize money. The overall best interests of the sport are served here, and it's ultimately up to the players as independent contractor to manage their own schedules. If you run yourself into the ground, it's entirely your fault and no one else's. I remember Casper Ruud moaning about losing some of his bonuses if he doesn't meet the mandatory requirements. That's just absurd: no one's forcing him to play anything.

 

[vixter]

I see the mandatory rules as simply providing incentives for players to be as active as possible, given the investments of patrons in those Tier 1/Masters/ 1000 events. It’s an entirely fair trade for those stakeholders to require commitments of the tours to field the best players, given the money they're pouring into the WTA and ATP and and the tournament prize money. The overall best interests of the sport are served here, and it's ultimately up to the players as independent contractor to manage their own schedules. If you run yourself into the ground, it's entirely your fault and no one else's. I remember Casper Ruud moaning about losing some of his bonuses if he doesn't meet the mandatory requirements. That's just absurd: no one's forcing him to play anything.

Completely agree with every post and every word. Elite tennis players have the big luxury to be able to design their schedules in a way that suits them, all year long. And whenever they are fatigued, they can take an extra holiday on short notice to the Bahamas and there is no boss to knock on their shoulders and tell them that they can't. Top players that complain about the schedule or a long season could all try a normal full-time job, with 25 days of paid leave per year that needs to be requested and approved in advance and in consideration with the holiday of your colleagues.

 

[Kerbicz]

Season is long but nobody forced her to play Seoul for example (talking about Iga)

Queenwin is a strong woman

Every leading player (i.e. who qualifies directly to every tourney) is obliged by the rules to play 6 tournaments of the WTA 500 category during a season. Seoul was just the 4th event of this category played by Iga this year. She was not forced to play it, by means of a gun aimed at her head, but it was her statutory obligation. We are discussing the rationality of the system of rules, and not who is ruthlessly forced to do what.

 

[iGOAT]

Queenwen says good things 👏

The Polisch woman needs to stop whining. If it's too much for her then she can skip tournaments but it's very tiresome when she insists on playing everything and complaining about it.

 

[Our Nana]

Completely agree with every post and every word. Elite tennis players have the big luxury to be able to design their schedules in a way that suits them, all year long. And whenever they are fatigued, they can take an extra holiday on short notice to the Bahamas and there is no boss to knock on their shoulders and tell them that they can't. Top players that complain about the schedule or a long season could all try a normal full-time job, with 25 days of paid leave per year that needs to be requested and approved in advance and in consideration with the holiday of your colleagues.

Where on earth did you get the idea that top tennis players don’t have a full time job? Between training daily, playing almost constantly, fulfilling sponsor requirements,and press requirements, attending fan events, travelling different time zones all the time, never or rarely seeing friends and family, unable to make friendships due to constant travelling. And that’s only after years of grinding through lower matches and training your heart out. They earn every cent they get and shouldn’t be punished for needing to miss a tournament or two for health reasons. And that includes being penalised for taking a holiday during the season.

 

[Escociatennis]

Queenwen says good things 👏

The Polisch woman needs to stop whining. If it's too much for her then she can skip tournaments but it's very tiresome when she insists on playing everything and complaining about it.

Iga will play everything to try to overtake Aryna, then she will complain about schedule.

 

[Kerbicz]

Queenwen says good things 👏

The Polisch woman needs to stop whining. If it's too much for her then she can skip tournaments but it's very tiresome when she insists on playing everything and complaining about it.

She's not whining, she's the most hardworking player on the Tour. She just comments on the rationality of the new WTA rules, which is absent.

Iga will play everything to try to overtake Aryna, then she will complain about schedule.

The WTA system of players' Commitments lacks rationality regardless of how much Iga plays (she still fails to comply with these commitments btw).

Why did you enter this thread - to discuss the merits of Qinwen's opinion, or pour new buckets of shit on Iga's head?

 

[vixter]

Where on earth did you get the idea that top tennis players don’t have a full time job? Between training daily, playing almost constantly, fulfilling sponsor requirements,and press requirements, attending fan events, travelling different time zones all the time, never or rarely seeing friends and family, unable to make friendships due to constant travelling. And that’s only after years of grinding through lower matches and training your heart out. They earn every cent they get and shouldn’t be punished for needing to miss a tournament or two for health reasons. And that includes being penalised for taking a holiday during the season.

Of course their tennis is a full-time occupation. Never stated otherwise. But they are in complete control over which tournaments they're going to play. They can structure their schedule as they see fit. Already we see some players choosing to end their season early. Good for them, they can do that.

 

[kuba]

Communist China and social darwinism, can you imagine better combo?

 

[Ashura]

Queenwen is sensible. Swiatek can afford to choose tournament she likes . She is richer, accomplised and much better then her then slamless compatriot such as Wozniacki,Kerber and Agatha that played 20+ tournaments.

 

[Varak]

Season is long but nobody forced her to play Seoul for example (talking about Iga)

Queenwin is a strong woman

You do know that WTA made playing 500 tournaments mandatory, right? And no less than 6 of them. Surely you know that and aren't just talking shit to talk shit.

 

[Varak]

Queenwen says good things 👏

The Polisch woman needs to stop whining. If it's too much for her then she can skip tournaments but it's very tiresome when she insists on playing everything and complaining about it.

Oh man, those damn Belarusians can't even spell.

 

[Escociatennis]

You do know that WTA made playing 500 tournaments mandatory, right? And no less than 6 of them. Surely you know that and aren't just talking shit to talk shit.

They aren't gonna sack her if she doesn't play the full number of tournaments. Points penalty isn't the end of the world if you are genuinely exhausted. She is super rich and maybe she could go work in e.g. hospitality for a 60 hour week. She will still get blisters and exhaustion but on the plus side won't need melatonin as she will sleep like a baby every night.

 

[Viktymise]

Not sure why many think it's some kind of "own" to point out that Zheng herself hasn't lasted the season. Perhaps she thinks she herself is not strong enough and needs to become even fitter, so there's nothing contradictory or paradoxical about what she's saying.

I've honestly never understood players whining about the schedule. Play the tournaments you want, and don't play if you don't want. No one's going to arrest and prosecute you for not playing. At worst, you might get some points penalty or lose a bonus. No one's forcing you to play. Sabalenka has played 3 less tournaments than Swiatek this season, and is chilling on vacation. It's Swiatek choosing to run herself into the ground to reach number one - and then whining about it. Lower ranked players don't have the luxury of whining about having to play too many tournaments. They want to play as many tournaments as possible to earn points and prize money. It's the privileged top players who whine about it all the time.

Yes. For top players, they have a lot of autonomy to play whatever they want since they’re loaded anyway, and missing tournaments isn’t going to get them banned from the tour - I mean, that’s not what the WTA is trying to do anyway. They are setting their own stipulations to maximise as many top players in big tournaments throughout the year, since they’re desperate to sell tickets, and they’re incentivising players to do so by saying that they’ll miss out on points + $$$.

And, I’m sure getting sign off for fake injuries or whatever to avoid fines isn’t even that hard considering it’s the WTA, after all. We all know the WTA is a hot mess, but at the end of the day, they are providing these players a huge platform to make a lot of money - some of whom really don’t move the needle at all in terms of interest - so it doesn’t make sense that everything is on the players’ terms.

 

[jimbo mack]

QZ made some really thoughtless comments here, and honestly, her perspective is completely off. She even admitted she rushed back too soon, then contradicted herself by saying “only the strongest survive” with the schedule. The irony is that her inflated ego didn’t match reality; she couldn’t keep up and ended up quitting - yet again.

I just can’t stand the way she carries her arrogant, deluded self. I love being her hater and making her the tour villain in my head.