Why don't they provide ranking points in the first place?

 

ATP stopped it.

ATP suits / anoraks decided after London 2012 that the Olympics is "competion" to the tour and that it's controlled by a "rival" entity.

Pure corporate bullshittery (instinctivily monopolistic territorial move — not a sporting decision)

This is how the tours and grand slams also treated each other back in the wild west days (1970s) until they worked out a compromise.

 

No (because Ostapenko and Sevastova always flop in Olympics )

 

They might not want to incentivise top players to favor ITF events over WTA/ATP ones.

 

Obviously not, because some players like Muchova cannot compete because of their countries, and that is really unfair. Besides, I prefer the Olympics without points, as it makes things more amateurish.

 

BS.

Muchova has a clear path to the Olympics: be the best 4 in her uniform....

 

reaching the olympic finals is really hard because a lot of people are extremely motivated to peak for the olympics and its not reflected in their rankings afterwards. vondrousova will likely be unseeded at the US open despite making a huge final and she could either be screwed over or the seed who draws her could be screwed over

 

No. It isn't an 'open' event - the qualification category is not based solely on merit, also incorporating the lottery that is nationality.

 

Which tennis event is "solely" based on merit?

And which one's nationality not incorporated.

You have time till hell freezes over to find that tournament.

The requirement of Olympics is fully comparable with tournaments like the YEC (where you do get points)

 

in the spirit of the olympics, i feel like it shouldn't

but i think it would help with helping accumulate a better field

 

No for two reasons.

First is that it has different qualification criteria from other ATP/WTA tournaments.

Second is that the Olympics is held once per four years, and it just doesn't fit into the tour structure. Should ranking points from the Olympics be dropped after one year? Should those be dropped after four years instead? Both options are bullshit.

 

Pretty much what I was going to say.

 

No because the draw is engineered. Max 4 players from any country. Those 4 players placed in different quarters of the draw.

 

No....there should be no ranking points awarded for the Olympics. The players have certainly earned the right to represent their country and earn an Olympic medal. They have done so by playing well over time and earning a higher ranking as opposed to their colleagues in the sport. Homever....it is reduced draw in the Olympics....a draw of 64 I believe...with o qualifying tourney.. The tour events .....from the Grand Slams to the 125 events....all have qualifying draws....which allow players to earn a spot each and every particular week. So if ranking points were awarded at the Olympics....higher ranked players would have an unfair advantage over the lower ranked players to pick up points I also believe that the Olympics "caps" the number of players from any one nation? I understand why it is done at the Olympics....but this can eliminate some higher ranked players? who may have earned a spot strictly on rankings, not nationality thereby denying them an opportunity to earn ranking points. Now....for those of you who will argue about "the ranking" during Covid.....let me save you some typing here.....we all know the rankings are skewed because of Covid.....but as I believe it difficult to factor in a global pandemic......get stuffed on THAT issue please.

The Grand Slams...for example.....have a main draw of 128 players.....104 of which come from the rankings. A second full draw of 128 players then compete for 16 qualifying spots, with 8 WC. So 248 individuals get a chance to compete for a spot at a Slam....and 8 others get a MD wild card....for a total of 256 individuals. This is extremely fair, and reflects "peaks and valleys" of different players throughout the season....some who perform better on different surface. You have to EARN your spot....either through higher ranking from the season....or playing to get a qualifying spot. It is also very democratic and objective....avoiding picking "favourites" largely....outside of the 8 WC. Even some of those are traditionally given to players who win certain tourneys every year.

If it wasn't for this system.....corruption would run rampant in the game....giving parasites like IMG even more influence than they already have. ALL the tournaments have this qualifying draw set up. As the Olympics is a unique tournament that comes around only once every 4 years. it is just fine the way it is this time in Tokyo from a rankings perspective. anyone who argues differently is either stupid, or has a favourite who is "losing out" on points in Tokyo.

 

Olympics are pretty fair on country participation in a sport - generally it’s 3 participants per country and for obvious reasons. I don’t get the argument that Czechia or the US should have all 30 of their top 100 players making up the draw sounds greedy.

I believe points should be allocated to acknowledge the effort and somewhat long journey it takes to qualify. I’ve heard arguments that Olympics isn’t for professional athletes like tennis player - IMO that’s legit bullshit as anyone that trades off their name tied to their sport is a professional athlete. And lastly, the inclusion of tennis into the Olympics is a highly commercial decision by the IOC built around bolstering the attractiveness of the Olympics to international broadcasters. In realty the grandeur of the Olympics should be luring enough, but... points could be the icing on the cake.

 

Should there be ranking points for fed cup, exhibition matches ?

 

The Davis Cup, Fed Cup and Olympics should all award ranking points. The reason why they don't is purely bureaucratic. Since they are ITF events, the ATP and WTA consider them a threat to tour events. In my opinion, if the stupid ATP Cup awards points, then the Davis Cup, Fed Cup and Olympics should too.

Obviously not, because some players like Muchova cannot compete because of their countries, and that is really unfair.

No....there should be no ranking points awarded for the Olympics. The players have certainly earned the right to represent their country and earn an Olympic medal. They have done so by playing well over time and earning a higher ranking as opposed to their colleagues in the sport. Homever....it is reduced draw in the Olympics....a draw of 64 I believe...with o qualifying tourney.. The tour events .....from the Grand Slams to the 125 events....all have qualifying draws....which allow players to earn a spot each and every particular week. So if ranking points were awarded at the Olympics....higher ranked players would have an unfair advantage over the lower ranked players to pick up points I also believe that the Olympics "caps" the number of players from any one nation?

Do the WTA players get any points for their participation in the Fed Cup?
The Fed Cup and the Olympics are special non open events and no points should be given.

No. Players are punished if they are unable to enter due to max 4 NOC quota.
There are no qualification draw. The entry is not an OPEN event.

Of course not, would be unfair due to the different entry system.
It would be quite unfair for a player that is well inside the top 20 to lose ground on other players in the WTA race for example because she had 4 players of her country in front of her.

OMG... what a pile of crap. Do you guys even follow tennis? Have you ever heard of an event called ATP Cup with 750 points up for grabs? LMAO

 

I guess so but at the same time ranking points have little to do with reality, I mean, a WTA/ATP 1000 awards half the points that a Grand Slam does. And nobody thinks that a 1000 event is half as relevant as a Grand Slam.

 

Do the WTA players get any points for their participation in the Fed Cup?
The Fed Cup and the Olympics are special non open events and no points should be given.

 

Fed Cup should have points. Myskina was #2 and was playing every tie
Olympics are one week every 4 years or so, they dont need points

 

No. Players are punished if they are unable to enter due to max 4 NOC quota.

There are no qualification draw. The entry is not an OPEN event.

The draw is also not entirely random when NOC with multiple players do not land in the same quarter.

 

Tbh some sports award points for Olympics too, such as badminton. Doing this will help elevate the status of Olympics in tennis.

 

Yup Badminton award points for Olympics, even though they also have their own tour (BWF) like ATP and WTA. Olympics is in fact awarded the same points as their most prestigious tour tournament

 

Of course not, would be unfair due to the different entry system.

It would be quite unfair for a player that is well inside the top 20 to lose ground on other players in the WTA race for example because she had 4 players of her country in front of her.

 

Yes, should definitely be as much as a slam. I think with regards to ranking, they can do something similar to Wimbledon seeding, where the points fall off gradually. So if you get 2000 points the current year, you keep 1000 of those the next year, and 500 the year after, etc.

 

The problem with awarding ranking points is that they seem too hesitant to award a larger amount, perhaps due to the nature of qualifying for the event?

When they did offer ranking points, it was less than a WTA 1000 right? Which then creates another problem, in the sense that offering lower ranking points for an event that's supposed to be perceived as one of the biggest kind of...cheapens the feel a little bit.

 

When they did offer ranking points, it was less than a WTA 1000 right?

Points were average of Premier 5 (non mandatory 1000 now) and premier (500). 685 points for the winner (900+470/2).

 

They should award penalties for participating.

Rich athletes don't belong at Olympics.

 

Why? So apparently no one is allowed to make a living off skills they’ve honed since they were 5?

The Olympics is 110% a commercial event seeking the maximum profit and viewership. Why wouldn’t an athlete follow the same ethos of the Olympics does?

 

i voted no you can't award ranking points for a tournament that happens once every four years

 

No. You shouldn’t need incentives to play Olympics. Let the vultures keep vulturing

 

The Olympics has the country component as part of its eligibility which would deny opportunities to players coming from countries having multiple higher ranked players; so my answer is not to award ranking points.

However - tennis benefits if the best competitors strive to join the Olympics. The tours can come up with "creative" incentives such as automatic entry into the year end tournaments for gold medalists or a guaranteed top 8 seeding for the other medalists in a Slam of their choice. Could be anything - and incentives could change per Olympic year. And the players and fans can have inputs as to what the incentives will be. Hehehe - could be fun to think about but not realistic.

 

However - tennis benefits if the best competitors strive to join the Olympics. The tours can come up with "creative" incentives such as automatic entry into the year end tournaments for gold medalists or a guaranteed top 8 seeding for the other medalists in a Slam of their choice. Could be anything - and incentives could change per Olympic year. And the players and fans can have inputs as to what the incentives will be. Hehehe - could be fun to think about but not realistic.

That's actually a very good idea. Major championship winners in golf get similar privileges.

You shouldn't have to convince a top 10 player that the Olympics are a bigger deal than Palermo or even the two 1000s, though.

That's how Svitolina was welcomed back for a bronze medal.



Here's Bencic :

 

Athletes get paid for Olympic medals depending what country they represent
I'm guessing from this points should be like a 500

Here's how much Olympic athletes earn for winning medals

Many countries offer monetary rewards to their athletes for the number of medals they win at the Olympics.

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