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IMO she's a better BBB than Keys, Ostapenko gets some crazy angles for somebody who smacks the fuzz off the ball on nearly every shot.
yea alona is definitely better off the ground, i think maddy's serve makes it even
 
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At times I find myself marveling at the weight and penetration she gets on her shots. Thinking about it now, I have to do some research on her racket specs. I'm curious about the weight and swingweight.
Yea I'm also interested in the racquet weight. I find her technique really interesting. It appears as though she sometimes catches the ball quite late, yet has fabulous timing simultaneously. It's really intriguing technqiue to me, especially on the FH.
 
At times I find myself marveling at the weight and penetration she gets on her shots. Thinking about it now, I have to do some research on her racket specs. I'm curious about the weight and swingweight.
She can find amazing angles on both wings at times, she is a true talent definitely.
 
I've likened Ostapenko to Wawrinka several times here before. She's never going to have a career of perennial, consistent excellence because of her particular gamestyle, but the top players all know they can be be challenged in matches with her.

I truly believe she has an opportunity to have a Stan-like record in the slams, peaking occasionally to pick up at least one more major before she hangs it up. Remember that she's only just turned 26, which is still relatively young in an era where players can look forward to having much longer careers.

Her issues have always tended to be psychological in origin: doubts on serve leading to an unreliable ball-toss, folding under pressure, choking on big points and occasionally becoming so mired in negativity that she can hit herself quickly out of any match when her risky shots are missing.

Has there ever been a more maligned player on this forum? At times she's been treated as a flat-out laughing stock, which is unfair. The careers of Kenin, Andreescu and Raducanu have shown how difficult it can be to cope with the demands of being a young Slam-winner. I suspect all three of those players would love to swim in the relatively calm waters of a consistent Top Twenty place as they try to get to their careers back on track.

Last night's win was a redemption of sorts. And it should be celebrated because Penko is box office. In an age when we—perhaps unfairly—demand that our sporting heroes possess charisma as well as skill, Jelena's singular brand of it shines on the bigger stages.
 
I've likened Ostapenko to Wawrinka several times here before. She's never going to have a career of perennial, consistent excellence because of her particular gamestyle, but the top players all know they can be be challenged in matches with her.

I truly believe she has an opportunity to have a Stan-like record in the slams, peaking occasionally to pick up at least one more major before she hangs it up. Remember that she's only just turned 26, which is still relatively young in an era where players can look forward to having much longer careers.

Her issues have always tended to be psychological in origin: doubts on serve leading to an unreliable ball-toss, folding under pressure, choking on big points and occasionally becoming so mired in negativity that she can hit herself quickly out of any match when her risky shots are missing.

Has there ever been a more maligned player on this forum? At times she's been treated as a flat-out laughing stock, which is unfair. The careers of Kenin, Andreescu and Raducanu have shown how difficult it can be to cope with the demands of being a young Slam-winner. I suspect all three of those players would love to swim in the relatively calm waters of a consistent Top Twenty place as they try to get to their careers back on track.

Last night's win was a redemption of sorts. And it should be celebrated because Penko is box office. In an age when we—perhaps unfairly—demand that our sporting heroes possess charisma as well as skill, Jelena's singular brand of it shines on the bigger stages.
I think this is true but she needs her Magnus Norman
 
Her issues have always tended to be psychological in origin: doubts on serve leading to an unreliable ball-toss, folding under pressure, choking on big points and occasionally becoming so mired in negativity that she can hit herself quickly out of any match when her risky shots are missing.
I love Oyster, but this is overselling her quite a bit. Her brand of tennis doesn't allow for any margin, which is obviously going to result in messy matches and poor losses. It's easy to see her potential when she beats players like Iga, whose rally ball sits up right in her strike zone. But she flat out refuses to make any adjustments when someone is going toe to toe with her in flatness of shot, which causes her to overhit. Alyona lives and dies by the sword, that's a choice and not a psychological issue.
 
I love Oyster, but this is overselling her quite a bit. Her brand of tennis doesn't allow for any margin, which is obviously going to result in messy matches and poor losses. It's easy to see her potential when she beats players like Iga, whose rally ball sits up right in her strike zone. But she flat out refuses to make any adjustments when someone is going toe to toe with her in flatness of shot, which causes her to overhit. Alyona lives and dies by the sword, that's a choice and not a psychological issue.
I don't think I'm over-selling her at all. You make it sound like the Swiatek rally-ball is some kind of lame duck which EVERYONE on tour tees-off on on a consistent basis. Which is clearly not the case.

I can think of only one match Ostapenko lost this year when someone went toe to toe with her, flat-hitting from the baseline and came out on top. That was against Samsonova in Madrid. The other type of player she's struggled with lately have been the truly elite servers: Rybakina and Sabalenka, who can simply take the racket out of her hand with dominant serving displays, not even allowing her into points. In recent matches against them though Aljona has been their equal off the ground if—and it's a big 'if'—getting a read on their serves and starting ground exchanges. Against any other type of opponent, grinders, retrievers, touch players I feel like Penko can drop serve, but expect to break her opponent back at any given time. Such matches are necessarily chaotic and that characterises the wins in rounds one to three in NYC.

To my mind there are three dominant servers left in the tournament: Keys, Sabalenka herself, and potentially, Quinwen. They are all on the other side of the draw. If playing with focus and confidence Ostapenko can feel good about her chances of making the final.
 
I don't think I'm over-selling her at all. You make it sound like the Swiatek rally-ball is some kind of lame duck which EVERYONE on tour tees-off on on a consistent basis. Which is clearly not the case.
I'm not. Tennis is a match up based sport. Iga's rally ball is too much for most of the tour to handle, otherwise she would not have been so consistent and achieved what she has. But for Alyona specifically, it sits up nicely.
 
And she will remain a 1 slam wonder. :rolls:
 
It's not really about her racquet but her perfect timing and the way she uses her body to lean into each shot..
Yea I'm also interested in the racquet weight. I find her technique really interesting. It appears as though she sometimes catches the ball quite late, yet has fabulous timing simultaneously. It's really intriguing technqiue to me, especially on the FH.
For sure it is also about the technique, but looking at the plow through she gets, it does look like she'd also have a fair amount of swingweight. The racket goes through the ball like butter. Another player it reminds me of is Kvitova.

Did some minor searching on the internet and found some posts on another forum mentioning commentators in some of her matches had said she has quite a bit of lead on her racquet. Rather vague though, this info. Tennisnerd, whose niche is talking about racquets, makes a mention of this. This is from after she won Roland Garros in 2017:


There was also this post on this forum by @Aaron. It lists Ostapenko's swingweight among the heavier ones, but there's no mention of the source for this info. Maybe Aaron can chime in:

Hello all...

I'm really into racket customization and I feel like one thing that is interesting is comparing Pro player set-ups and their gamestyles. Swingweight is the most important spec of a racket so I thought i'd mention some players and their swingweights here.

Swingweight is the resistance to movement in a circle. Circular motion (as in most stages of a tennis swing) occurs around a center or rotation, let's say the butt end of the handle. When you apply equal forces to the handles of two racquets with different swingweights, the racquet with the higher swingweight will accelerate less and rotate less quickly around the center of the circle. The lower swingweight racquet will accelerate more quickly. In other words, higher swingweight means less maneuverability, and lower swingweight means more.

But the ball applies a force to the racquet also. And the same principle applies. The lower the swingweight, the more easily the the ball will move the racquet, and the higher the swingweight, the less easily the ball will change the motion of the racquet.

So the tradeoff becomes this: lower swingweight results in greater racquet acceleration and final swing speed, but more shock (due both to more racquet deceleration by the ball and higher impact force due to greater speed). Higher swingweight results in slower racquet acceleration and final swing speed but less shock due to less deceleration due to the ball pushing the racquet in an opposite circular rotation.

Power is influenced also. With a lower swingweight, the power must be generated more from swing speed. With a higher swingweight, more of the power comes from the racquet itself.

The beauty of customization is that you can easily experiment and find the best tradeoff for your style of play.


High (350+)
S. Williams
Henin
Stephens
Clijsters
Cibulkova
Pierce
Davenport
Azarenka
Muguruza
Ostapenko
Vaidisova
Cibulkova
Ivanovic
Kuznetsova
Lisicki
Bartoli
Andreescu

Medium (330-350)
Giorgi
Kvitova
Pliskova
Sharapova
Osaka
Halep
Hingis
Wozniacki
Barty
Stosur
Georges
Li
Shelby Rogers
Svitolina
V.Williams

Low (330 or lower)
Kerber
Sevastova
Rybarikova
Flipkens
Siegemund
Mauresmo
Radwanska
Schiavone
Hsieh
Suarez Navarro
Vinci
T. Maria
Putintseva

Most rackets off the shelf will be in the LOW category anywhere from 300-325 (300 for beginner frames, 320-325 for juniors/college players) and you must apply lead tape in order to get them into medium and high territory.

As you can see, most power players/baseliners will use high swingweight, and high swingweight doesn't mean heavy racket in terms of ounces/grams. You can have a 10 oz racket with a high swingweight.

My personal opinion it is better to play with as high of a swingweight as you can without tiring out as you get easier power/depth/control at the loss of maneuverability otherwise you are at a disadvantage playing someone with a higher SW. It also depends on your game too, if you are a more all court player you want to go as high as you can without sacrificing your net play/touch shots.

For example if you ever watch Serena vs Radwanska, Serena makes Radwanska look like a junior due to her lack of swingweight. Radwanska just cannot trouble Serena with such a low swingweight and her only option is to hit trick shots/junk balls.

Where as if you watch Serena vs Henin, Henin is able to match Serena's power for the most part, now of course Serena has much more mass on her body and is taller overall but because they are close in swingweight Henin is able to compete with Serena.

One way you can tell if someone has a high SW is normally by serve speed & ground stroke speed although this is not always the case as Stephens has a pretty lackluster serve in terms of MPH but she can hit some of the fastest FH's on tour. Osaka is in the medium category but can serve pretty well (110+ due to her height)

If anyone has any more info on WTA player specs please comment below and I will update the list.
 
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