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This thread is inspired by the 'Wikipedia inaccuracies' thread but has a broader scope. A place not only to report on errors / inaccuracies in wiki articles but also to suggest improvements or even request new articles.

For wiki editors, like myself, it would be great to get feedback from this forum and make use of the knowledge gathered here to improve wiki tennis articles.

In return editors can use this thread to report on new tennis articles or articles that have been substantially updated. Another possibility would be to highlight existing wiki articles that may be of interest to the forum.
 

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Some comments or thoughts on the nice 1978 WTA wiki:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978_WTA_Tour

1. Like the photo having Navratilova to show she was computer #1. The photo is from 1985-perhaps we can find one from 1978?

2. The intro reads
The year 1978 also saw the creation of the first official ranking system and these rankings were used to determine acceptance into the tournaments.[1][
This confuses me. The first official ranking were in November of 1975-not 1978.

3. Kerry Reid is listed correctly in the first event (in November 1977), but is listed the rest of year as Kerry Melville. Reid in all the results would be more correct and consistent.

4. Week of 27 March. The Virginia Slims Championships is also listed as
Year-end championships
This term did not exist in 1978. Tour championships-yes. The term year end championships is not apt here.

The Bridgestone event the next week was tour championships for the Slims doubles. Bridgestone was the tour doubles sponsor, and like the Slims championships teams earned points to qualify.

5. The surfaces and prize money for all the events is on target except for:

A. Week of September 11

Toray Sillook Open Tokyo, Japan
Colgate Series (AAA)
$75,000 – Hard - 32S [The surface was Indoor Carpet-the main article is correct]

B. Week of October 30

Rio de La Plata Championships
Buenos Aires, Argentina
Colgate Series (A)
$35,000 – Carpet (i)
Singles DrawDoubles Draw
The surface was clay. It had been clay for over 40 years. Here is the club history:
http://www.baltc.net/historia.html


C. Week of November 13
Colgate Series Championships
Palm Springs, California, USA
Colgate Series championships
$250,000 – Grass
Singles DrawDoubles Draw

The surface was Hard/Cement. Dolan's book will have the correct surface. I saw the final on TV all those years ago!

D. Week of December 11 Emeron Cup
Tokyo, Japan
Non-tour event
Grass

The surface was carpet indoors.

Here are Goolagong and Wade playing the match for 3rd place.

6. The 1978 page is very comprehensive. The only big pieces missing are the Avon Futues events. You may find these at http://www.tennisforum.com/1551-yearly-results/447999-1978-results.html

As sources are important (I am learning Wolbo!) you may cite the source for the Futures events as World Tennis-as this is where the results came from.

Let me know if you need paper sources and page numbers-I could dig for them if needed.
 

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This list article on Helen Wills career statistics was created last year.

Wonderful job with this Wolbo. I added it to the Helen Wills entry at: http://www.tennisforum.com/25568122-post2178.html

Another unique record Wills had was in winning 16 consecutive grand slams finals. No one else comes remotely close.
Credit for that article should go to editor Fyunck(click) who created it. I merely helped a bit with tidying up.


Some comments or thoughts on the nice 1978 WTA wiki:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978_WTA_Tour

1. Like the photo having Navratilova to show she was computer #1. The photo is from 1985-perhaps we can find one from 1978?

2. The intro readsThis confuses me. The first official ranking were in November of 1975-not 1978.
1. It would be great if such a photo can be found but this may not be easy. Images is one of the areas where a forum differs from wikipedia. On a forum like this we can probably link to any image but on wikipedia, with few exceptions, only public domain images are allowed and they are, understandably, quite strict on that (here is some explanation about licences). Broadly speaking any image from before 1922 is public domain and can be used on wikipedia. The modern era (post 2000) is also fairly well covered due to the advent of digital photography. Last year we were very lucky when a photographer, David Iliff, visited the Wimbledon Qualies and made more than 750 (!) high-quality photos available on wikipedia (example). For the large period in between it is not so easy to find public domain tennis photos that can used so any help there is much appreciated.

2. That does indeed sound strange! Will look into that.
 

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1. It would be great if such a photo can be found but this may not be easy. Images is one of the areas where a forum differs from wikipedia. On a forum like this we can probably link to any image but on wikipedia, with few exceptions, only public domain images are allowed and they are, understandably, quite strict on that (here is some explanation about licences). Broadly speaking any image from before 1922 is public domain and can be used on wikipedia. The modern era (post 2000) is also fairly well covered due to the advent of digital photography. Last year we were very lucky when a photographer, David Iliff, visited the Wimbledon Qualies and made more than 750 (!) high-quality photos available on wikipedia (example). For the large period in between it is not so easy to find public domain tennis photos that can used so any help there is much appreciated.
This makes sense. Tis a pity-but I understand.

Credit for that article should go to editor Fyunck(click) who created it. I merely helped a bit with tidying up.
I will credit Fyunck then. I can also just provide the wiki link if you prefer Wolbo.
 

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Some comments or thoughts on the nice 1978 WTA wiki:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978_WTA_Tour

2. The intro confuses me. The first official ranking were in November of 1975-not 1978.

3. Kerry Reid is listed correctly in the first event (in November 1977), but is listed the rest of year as Kerry Melville. Reid in all the results would be more correct and consistent.

4. Week of 27 March. The Virginia Slims Championships is also listed as 'Year-end championships'. This term did not exist in 1978. Tour championships-yes. The term year end championships is not apt here.

5. The surfaces and prize money for all the events is on target except for:

A. Week of September 11

B. Week of October 30

C. Week of November 13

D. Week of December 11 [/URL]
Ad 2. No idea where that ranking statement came from. Could not find any source for it either so it has been removed.

Ad 3 All instances of her name have been updated to her married name Kerry Reid.

Ad 4. This category of events is labeled 'Year-end Championships'. Perhaps 'Season-end Championships' would be a better name to cover both the older Virginia Slims and WCT Championships as well as the current WTA Tour and ATP Tour Finals.

Ad. 5 Surfaces have all been corrected.

Thanks for the corrections and feedback!
 

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Thanks for the corrections and feedback!
Thank you Wolbo!

A couple of things I love about Wiki when looking up tennis information:

1. The ability to 'switch" languages.

2. The tables listing grand slam results or titles. In particular the color coding makes it easy to see how many semis a person reached, for example.

Both are very nifty! As I add women to our Encyclopedia I'll try and add list their wiki links on here too.

Thanks for setting this up.

Wolbo might be looking for people to help or edit the wiki too if you are interested Sam.
 

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Some comments or thoughts on the nice 1978 WTA wiki:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978_WTA_Tour

6. The 1978 page is very comprehensive. The only big pieces missing are the Avon Futues events. You may find these at http://www.tennisforum.com/1551-yearly-results/447999-1978-results.html
I'm not that familiar with the Avon Futures circuit but my understanding is that it is a lower tier of tournaments and probably should not be listed together with the main tournaments. Perhaps they should have their own articles, similar to the ones for the current ITF tournaments?

This makes sense. Tis a pity-but I understand.
Tis a pity indeed! Images add so much to an article, it can really bring the subject to live. Fortunately not all is lost and there are some public domain sources available for tennis photos post-1922. Most of the images at the brilliant Gallica website are pre-1922 but they do have some from the late 1920s like this one of Cilly Aussem. There are a number of Australian State library websites with excellent public domain images from the 1930s like this one of Marjorie Crawford (the Australian copyright law is a bit more lenient regarding images). The Dutch National Archive has quite a number of tennis photos from the 1960s and 70s, like Maria Bueno and Ken Rosewall, that are public domain. Very helpful because for these decades, as well as the 1980s, it is particularly difficult to find public domain tennis images.

A couple of things I love about Wiki when looking up tennis information:

1. The ability to 'switch" languages.

2. The tables listing grand slam results or titles. In particular the color coding makes it easy to see how many semis a person reached, for example.
Ad 1. The English wikipedia is by far the largest but some of the other languages have pretty good tennis coverage like the German and Italian wikis. The French version is probably the best in terms of tennis coverage, in areas better than the English wiki, but their sourcing is not quite up to par.

Ad. 2. You mean the timeline tables? I like those, they give a useful quick overview of the Grand Slam performances. Many player articles now have them and most of the results now link directly to the tournament articles which is handy (work in progress).

Wolbo might be looking for people to help or edit the wiki too if you are interested Sam.
This is not a recruitment drive but knowledgeable and enthusiastic tennis editors are alway welcome at wikipedia.
 

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauline_Betz

Overall this is a nice entry. I loved the photo with the cigarette ad!

There is one error however. It states she retired in 1951. Definitely not. That was the end of her tur with Gussie Moran, but not the end of her professional tennis career. She was the world's women pro champ throughout the 1950s playing the few events offered. In 1960 she lost a 3 set match to Althea Gibson, the #1 amateur of 1960. If anything she "retired" in 1961.

Like many women from the 1940s she briefly entered a couple of events after open tennis as a lark in 1968 and 1969.

I had the pleasure of interviewing Mrs Addie in 2004 with Alfajeffster and treasure my signed copy of her autobiography.

Here is a link to our bio entry of her:

http://www.tennisforum.com/25136386-post191.html

It still needs a lot of beefing up but you will easily find sources showing she was active well after 1951!
 

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauline_Betz

Overall this is a nice entry. I loved the photo with the cigarette ad!

There is one error however. It states she retired in 1951. Definitely not. That was the end of her tur with Gussie Moran, but not the end of her professional tennis career. She was the world's women pro champ throughout the 1950s playing the few events offered. In 1960 she lost a 3 set match to Althea Gibson, the #1 amateur of 1960. If anything she "retired" in 1961.

Like many women from the 1940s she briefly entered a couple of events after open tennis as a lark in 1968 and 1969.
It is not always straightforward to determine when a player has retired but in this case 1951 is clearly not correct. Have updated it to 1960 based on the New York Times obituary.

I had the pleasure of interviewing Mrs Addie in 2004 with Alfajeffster and treasure my signed copy of her autobiography.
Must have been a great experience interviewing her!
 

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The article on the 1978 WTA Tour has been expanded with points, prize money and ranking tables for the Colgate Series and Virginia Slims circuit
It's shaping up quite well Wolbo. The rankings, tables, and prize money sections are :rocker:

4 things I see:

1. The detailed entry for Hollwood (January 9) is correct. The calendar version has Hollywood, California. Florida is correct.

2. It would be nice to have a detailed entry for the Bridgestone Championships the week of April 3. As the doubles version of the Slims Championships this was an important event. I will get info for you if you wish. Please remind me if I forget.

3. The Family Circle Cup was NOT held at Amelia Island-a site used for the FCC only in 1975. The 1978 FCC was at Sea Pines Plantation in Hilton Head. I saw the final on TV. Consider me a living source!:D If you need more cite World Tennis, July 1978 issue.

5. The surface for Fed cup was grass.It was at Kooyong, site of the Aussie Open.
 

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Thank you Wolbo. I'm so happy to see such detail in the tables at the end. I don't know where else you could find this info online (VS points, money, averages etc). It's a true treasure trove! I'd love to see the same for a few years before and after. But again, THANK YOU!
 

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Doing some research for the 'Greatest Ever By Country' thread I've found a couple of small errors.


The wiki entry for Kristina Brandi has, what I believe to be inaccurate slam singles results. She played from the mid 90's to into the 2000's but her results have those from the early 90's and probably from a different player.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristina_Brandi
Players | WTA Tennis English


For the Turkish player Ipek Senoglu, it states in her article that she's the first Turk to appear in the main draw of a Grand Slam event.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/İpek_Şenoğlu
Actually a B.Nustouglu (sorry no first name) reached the 3rd round of the French in 1950. http://www.tennisforum.com/1551-yearly-results/357112-1950-results-2.html
 

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Thanks Rollo such an interesting story about her. Another player excelling at more than one sport.
 

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It's shaping up quite well Wolbo. The rankings, tables, and prize money sections are :rocker:

4 things I see:

1. The detailed entry for Hollwood (January 9) is correct. The calendar version has Hollywood, California. Florida is correct.

2. It would be nice to have a detailed entry for the Bridgestone Championships the week of April 3. As the doubles version of the Slims Championships this was an important event. I will get info for you if you wish. Please remind me if I forget.

3. The Family Circle Cup was NOT held at Amelia Island-a site used for the FCC only in 1975. The 1978 FCC was at Sea Pines Plantation in Hilton Head. I saw the final on TV. Consider me a living source!:D If you need more cite World Tennis, July 1978 issue.

5. The surface for Fed cup was grass.It was at Kooyong, site of the Aussie Open.
  1. Corrected.
  2. A lot (>50) of tournament articles have been created recently for the 1978, 1979 and 1980 tours. This one will probably follow fairly soon.
  3. Corrected. The tournament article was correct, but the 1978 WTA article wasn't. Will have to look up what the wiki policy is on 'living sources'... ;-) FYI, according to Dolan and Barrett the FCC was also played at Amelia Island in 1976.
  4. I believe that was already correct (unless I'm missing something).
Thanks for the feedback. Keep'em comin'!

Thank you Wolbo. I'm so happy to see such detail in the tables at the end. I don't know where else you could find this info online (VS points, money, averages etc). It's a true treasure trove! I'd love to see the same for a few years before and after. But again, THANK YOU!
You're welcome. Other years will likely also be updated, although perhaps not with quite the same level of detail. Somewhat by chance I happen to have a Colgate Series media guide for 1978 and even a small 1978 Colgate Series rules and regulations booklet, so there was a lot of info available. I don't have these for any other WTA years.

Doing some research for the 'Greatest Ever By Country' thread I've found a couple of small errors.


The wiki entry for Kristina Brandi has, what I believe to be inaccurate slam singles results. She played from the mid 90's to into the 2000's but her results have those from the early 90's and probably from a different player.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristina_Brandi
Players | WTA Tennis English
Well spotted, indeed an error, happened when the infobox was added to the article (not saying by whom, I'm taking the fifth on that...). Somehow the singles results were added in the doubles section and the doubles results ended up in the mixed doubles section, leaving the singles section with incorrect info (indeed from another player). Has been corrected. Thanks for pointing that out.


Doing some research for the 'Greatest Ever By Country' thread I've found a couple of small errors.

For the Turkish player Ipek Senoglu, it states in her article that she's the first Turk to appear in the main draw of a Grand Slam event.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/İpek_Şenoğlu
Actually a B.Nustouglu (sorry no first name) reached the 3rd round of the French in 1950. http://www.tennisforum.com/1551-yearly-results/357112-1950-results-2.html
That statement has been removed, also because it did not have a reliable source.
 

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Thanks again for all the information. I looked up media guides and they are quite pricey on a few esoteric sites. I was thinking f getting some until I saw the prices.
 
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