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It seems like Wozniacki is the one who started the moonballing in this point.

Still, I feel that being the aggressive player is actually the tougher role to play in a tight match!
Wozniacki was serving, and the high balls were started with Kerber's ROS.
And what is more, Kerber's ROS was also the same vs. Wozniacki's (bad) 1st serve, so, Kerber's high return balls were SURELY INTENTIONAL!

"I feel that being the aggressive player is actually the tougher role to play in a tight match!"
The deciding factor is which shot types are used:
- If your muscles are tensed, TOP SPIN BALLS, DROP-SHOTS and LOBS are becoming unstable/inaccurate, while
- Simple hitting and slices can still work.
 

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The biggest issue is it is not a viable long term strategy for winning matches. As each rally can be extended on end through low pace balls to even over 2 minutes for a single point, you really need to have the stamina and patience (as well as the footwork and 'skill') to apply this and hope to win pts. Moonballing alone can never finish a point for you. Select situations it can be handy but it should never be used for regular rally points because there are far easier and less time and energy consuming ways to win points. I'm sure not even Wozniacki has that much patience to try it for long periods of time.

But in some cases the 'moonball', or higher ball, especially deep to BH, and its counterpart, the BH slice are actually not used very frequently on WTA as should be used
 

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This is something I've been asking myself time and time again throughout the past 7-8 years :confused:
Time and time again you see players stretched wide hitting a flat, central, midcourt ball which obviously gets easily dispatched in the opposite corner. It really makes no sense to me, considering the lob is
a) a safer shot to play b) takes away time from your opponent unless they're willing to hit the ball on the rise, which is a bigger risk c) off-sets the rhythm.
Schiavone basically won RG thanks to her defensive lobs :lol:

It's almost as if players began to be embarassed of hitting the shot :lol:
 

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I always wonder why moonballing is not more popular. I know it's seen as a "dirty" tactic, but grunting and screaming was too...and now look.
did you watch SAISAI vs YOU last night :shrug:

anyway we have WOZNIACKI as the AO winner and #1, so this thread should be closed
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did you watch SAISAI vs YOU last night :shrug:

anyway we have WOZNIACKI as the AO winner and #1, so this thread should be closed

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The fact that you can so adamantly hate Wozniacki yet praise Saisai to no end is so far beyond any comprehension.

Saisai moonballing Xiaodi to death last night. There were two straight points where Xiaodi couldn't get her racket on the ball as she hit the back fence :spit:
 

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I agree with you. It can actually be highly effective if used sparingly... If you do it too much you'll get hammered but doing it very occasionally to reset the point seems useful tbh...

Players probably don't do it because it's frowned upon, like underhand serving.
Agree to agree. So many players struggle to generate pace and put away slower and higher balls, and those who have the power are often erratic. It´s a good tactic used strategically, but tennis is also an entertainment business. Watch two rallies between Putintseva and SST on clay and your will to live is fading. :sad:
 

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Agree to agree. So many players struggle to generate pace and put away slower and higher balls, and those who have the power are often erratic. It´s a good tactic used strategically, but tennis is also an entertainment business. Watch two rallies between Putintseva and SST on clay and your will to live is fading. :sad:
Should I be worried about watching a recording of their match from Prague yesterday? :scared:
 

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The fact that you can so adamantly hate Wozniacki yet praise Saisai to no end is so far beyond any comprehension.

Saisai moonballing Xiaodi to death last night. There were two straight points where Xiaodi couldn't get her racket on the ball as she hit the back fence :spit:
LMAO let me explain it to you

WOZ = entitled attitude, one dimensional game, only pushes despite having the "body" to put more power on the ball :SNE:

SAI = never say die fighter attitude, talented all court game (top doubles player, can moonball slice BBB) :nerd:
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Should I be worried about watching a recording of their match from Prague yesterday? :scared:
I just watched it. It's not "entertaining", "beautiful" or even "interesting", but it's not super moonbally. At least the parts I watched. Lots of high loopy balls though.
 

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Re: Why is moonballing not more popular

Using it sparingly and/or as a defensive resource does work, and it does get used this way

But it’s simply not an effective long term strategy, specially against players who can step in and take a cut at them
 

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LMAO let me explain it to you

WOZ = entitled attitude, one dimensional game, only pushes despite having the "body" to put more power on the ball :SNE:

SAI = never say die fighter attitude, talented all court game (top doubles player, can moonball slice BBB) :nerd:

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Can you show me some clips of Sai Sai moonballing? I've only seen a few of her matches and I don't remember moonballing.
 

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LMAO let me explain it to you

WOZ = entitled attitude, one dimensional game, only pushes despite having the "body" to put more power on the ball :SNE:

SAI = never say die fighter attitude, talented all court game (top doubles player, can moonball slice BBB) :nerd:

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I can't help you if you are able to say Wozniacki has a one dimensional game in one breath and then in the next say Saisai is a talented all court player.
 

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Can you show me some clips of Sai Sai moonballing? I've only seen a few of her matches and I don't remember moonballing.
The poster rarely watches her. He just trolls GM. Have you ever watched any of her matches? You missed a gem last night against You. Both players moonballing constantly. Saisai backed You up against the fence twice in a row where she could hardly get her racket on the ball. I turned it off after that. Hopefully that match gets uploaded to YouTube for you.
 

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Not a MTF moderator calling Nadal deadly topspin forehand, the most difficult shot to handle in tennis right now (specially on clay and specially against OHBH) “moonballing”. The nerve :spit:
But the nonsense in that forum is really something, specially regarding him so I guess this can work like a running joke or something in such a stupid environment.


Now regarding this question, I’m ok with players using moonballing occasionally with a purpose, like get back in a rally from a defensive position or disrupt rhythm’s opponent. Smart players like ASV knew when making use of it and even very offensive players like Mary Pierce did it at times. I think a complete player should know using it properly like lobs or dropshots.
Nadal, being the only player who porn grunts like some WTA players, is actually kinda relevant to this discussion. Did he ever find whatever he was looking for in his ass? Anyway, the answer is: if you can moonball with spin, you can get far on clay.
 

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The poster rarely watches her. He just trolls GM. Have you ever watched any of her matches? You missed a gem last night against You. Both players moonballing constantly. Saisai backed You up against the fence twice in a row where she could hardly get her racket on the ball. I turned it off after that. Hopefully that match gets uploaded to YouTube for you.
Oooooh, I feel like I'm missing out on something hilarious now. I haven't watched enough of her at all. I wanna see this moonballing.
 

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I just watched it. It's not "entertaining", "beautiful" or even "interesting", but it's not super moonbally. At least the parts I watched. Lots of high loopy balls though.
I wonder how many pts you wish to be played like this? The Kerber and Woz case was an extreme example, I think they were mocking each other in some ways (see slice-slice rallies) :SNE: and that type of rally can never keep up over time as both players will become bored of it themselves.

There is a good case for its use that some have mentioned before, eg. how well Coetzer used it to dismantle Graf, and that was aided by a mix of persistence, footspeed and well placed shots that disrupted Graf's timing and neutralised her ability to close pts. That is perhaps one of the smartest applications of it, knowing Graf doesn't frequently use a topspin rally shot and would have to deal with above shoulder height balls with greater difficulty.
 

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LMAO let me explain it to you

WOZ = entitled attitude, one dimensional game, only pushes despite having the "body" to put more power on the ball :SNE:

SAI = never say die fighter attitude, talented all court game (top doubles player, can moonball slice BBB) :nerd:

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Also: Woz = Grand Slam, 70+ weeks as #1

SAISAI (!!!1eleven) = playing amateurs in Tibet ITFs
 

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Oooooh, I feel like I'm missing out on something hilarious now. I haven't watched enough of her at all. I wanna see this moonballing.
she's torturous enough that Aga, Svitolina and even Kerber have all fallen to her :grin2: though moonball is only a small part of her arsenal.
 
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