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Not that Henin-Hardenne is bad on hard courts, but her results during the summer hard court seasons are nowhere near as good as her results on clay and grass. Why is this?

I can understand Justine being good on clay - she has more time to hit her long strokes, and the power of players like Serena is blunted.

Justin's good record on grass surprises me, and that is only heightened by her relative poor results on the hard courts (never getting past the 4th round at the U.S. Open).

Why is this?
 

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Well, I can see why she does well on grass - the low bounce means the ball comes through at the perfect height for her groundstrokes, she's good around the net and she's now getting more snap on the serve.

As for hardcourts, it seems she is vulnerable to the bigger hitters in the game because they can rush and overpower her from the back of the court. Although to be honest, it always seems to me that she struggles more against no-pace, heavily topspinning clay-courters because she likes to feed off pace and isn't great at generating her own when she is given high, floating balls around her shoulders.
 

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Very simple: Unlike other players who have had success on hard courts without power (Hingis and Coetzer, Sugiyama come to mind), Henin does not take the ball early. Hingis, for example, would refuse to be overpowered by standing on the baseline and as a result would almost have to half-volley a lot of very deep shots but it worked for her. Henin, however, takes the ball very late and as a result gets pushed back very far behind the baseline. She does this on all surfaces but clay best suits this style of game. On hardcourt she really lets herself get overpowered. If I were her coach I would tell her to sacrifice some retreiving by inching on the baseline and refusing to get pushed back.
 

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because they are FASTER and her speed isnt always enough to give her the opportunity to stay in the rally.

i agree shes good on grass because the ball bounces at a perfect height

actually...i dont think Henin HAS a real excuse for being "bad" on hardcourts :confused:

it will be interesting to see if the fact she has a better game prevails over players who have a better "surface game" (Irvin, Hantuchova, Rubin etc) on HC part II this year...
 

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Sorry if I'm not too clued up about it, but are her results actually that bad on hardcourts? Who did she lose to in some of the big summer tournaments last year, out of interest?
 

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She's been working on her hardcourt game specifically in Saddlebrook, I'm curious to see how it's worked out.
But still, she likes hardcourt the least, I don't think that will ever change.
 

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SerenaJWilliams said:
ok dude, ur sig is too big and thats coming from ME :p:kiss:;)
NO! :mad:
 

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this year Justine lost from
Kim (2 times), Venus en Chanda.
She won from Jennifer, Monica, Myskina, Casanova and Davenport

Well imo that isn't so bad :p
 

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do as i asked you sarah! :p
 

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Justine does have one hardcourt title already, so she is obviously starting to get better on this surface.

I think Justine's natural best surface is a slow one. But she succeeds on grass too because:

* She plays VERY well from a crouching position close to the ground, right where the ball will bounce on grass.

* She likes to, and is adept at, charging the net and ending points.

* She has a big serve & is able to serve and volley.

I completely disagree that Justine is not speedy -- in fact her speed around the court is phenomenal, equal to Kim's. I just think she is less experienced on hard courts. But she stays in Florida a lot now, and I am sure she is down there learning how to improve her hard court game. And it's working! Hence, the title she won in Dubai earlier this year, beating MYSKINA, CAPRIATI, and SELES. :)
 

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The ball also bounces more consistently on hard courts, regardless of the type of spin. This means her opponents are not having to make as many adjustments in footwork to blast back her shots.
 

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janie said:
* She plays VERY well from a crouching position close to the ground, right where the ball will bounce on grass.
"Just" for fun, here's a h2h where someone else is hitting "closer to the ground" than Juju:
Justine HENIN-HARDENNE (BEL) v Amanda COETZER (RSA)

2000 New Haven Hard (O) 16 Amanda COETZER 2-6 6-4 1-6
2001 Hamburg Clay (O) QF Amanda COETZER 5-7 6-4 2-6
2003 Sydney Hard (O) QF Justine HENIN-HARDENNE 6-4 6-4

Amanda COETZER (RSA) leads 2 : 1
 

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she needs more time to set up for her shots than she gets when she plays a power hitter on a hardcourt. on grass, she gets a much more effective volley, and the ball bounce is lower, and so is she. for clay, she has time for her artfult shots, and she slides well.
 

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o0O0o said:
Very simple: Unlike other players who have had success on hard courts without power (Hingis and Coetzer, Sugiyama come to mind), Henin does not take the ball early. Hingis, for example, would refuse to be overpowered by standing on the baseline and as a result would almost have to half-volley a lot of very deep shots but it worked for her. Henin, however, takes the ball very late and as a result gets pushed back very far behind the baseline. She does this on all surfaces but clay best suits this style of game. On hardcourt she really lets herself get overpowered. If I were her coach I would tell her to sacrifice some retreiving by inching on the baseline and refusing to get pushed back.
It's hard to take the ball early with a one-handed backhand especially for Henin because she is so short. That's why looping high to Henin's backhand is a good tactic to use against her because it draws short balls.
 

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JollyRoger said:
"Just" for fun, here's a h2h where someone else is hitting "closer to the ground" than Juju:
Justine HENIN-HARDENNE (BEL) v Amanda COETZER (RSA)

2000 New Haven Hard (O) 16 Amanda COETZER 2-6 6-4 1-6
2001 Hamburg Clay (O) QF Amanda COETZER 5-7 6-4 2-6
2003 Sydney Hard (O) QF Justine HENIN-HARDENNE 6-4 6-4

Amanda COETZER (RSA) leads 2 : 1

lol, one of those was in her first year on the pro tour....no excuse for the second one, but the two losses were in 3 sets and she won the last one in straights on her worst surface....
 
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