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Why are Venus and Serena so often injuried while they are only around 20 yeard of age?
This question was posed on Dutch TV today.
I started think about it, and I remembered something that was in a magazine a while ago. First of all I want to say that I do not believe (and hope) it is true. I just wanted to hear your opinions about it.

Some Dutch 'specialists' (that is, Jacco Elthing, Marcella Mesker, Mariette Pakker - so not the best source ;)) said they thought Venus and Serena weren't so muscular because they did a lot of power training but for another reason. They said it is wellknown in tennisland that Venus&Serena didn't do many powertraining when they were young, and they said (very carefully ;)) that they maybe took doping when they were young. They were talking about steroids.

I cannot believe that is true. I can't imagine Richard would do that. Ok, he is crazy, but not like that!
But following this theory it would be quite logical that they are so often injuried.

What are you opinions about this?
Why do you think they have so many injuries?
 

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Say something about doping and you get lynched, so i won't go there.

Fact is they play a very agressive game which is based on power. Maybe their body can't cope with the tennis they play.
 

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I think it's the "California" origins. What I'm saying is too much play on hard courts from an early age is bad for health. Another often injured Cal-gal is Davenport. Juniors from other parts of the country like Florida and European players get a variety of surfaces that are easier on the body.
 

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It would be totally against either girls moral values to use other means in order to get leaner.

I think Carot and Rollo already gave some good reason why they are so injury prone.

They aren't the only players who are - Anna, Davenport, and Monica to name a few, are also frequenly injured.

And I don't think anyone is accusing Anna of doping ;)
 

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Well, Venus and Serena did not play as much tennis in their younger years as many other women on the circuit now, so I don't think that is it.
I was thinking about this this morning. And part of it is just genetics I think. You know, how Karl Malone (US pro basketball player) has missed like maybe 10 games in his entire 10+ year career. And how Cal Ripken is the ironman of baseball. And Brett Favre (US pro football QB) hasn't missed a start in years. Yes, of course these athletes all work hard to take care of their bodies, but some athletes are "injury-prone" and some aren't and I don't know whether you can isolate any one factor that contributes to this. (Actually, Favre is really remarkable in that he doesn't actually do anything particularly out of the ordinary to stay healthy). In contrast, Grant Hill (US pro basketball player) has had a myriad of injuries during his entire career and there are many others like this. Some athletes have the constitution to play hard at a sport day in and out and not really get injured (Hingis) while others just don't. Again, I think that good conditioning, nutrition, stretching etc can of course impact the
rate of injuries, but some things are beyond an athlete's control.

I know that's not a very scientific explanation, but that's my two cents on it.
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I know Becca, it are not my words that they use(d) doping ;)
 

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The injuries that often plaque the Sisters are a result of their powerful games. They both have sprinter's speed and awesome power that tax their frames. Both could benefit from work on their foot work and form, but hinting that they use drugs is an unjustified attack. These young ladies donot use drugs or alcohol it is against their religion. As other players add power to their games they too will battle injuries. Players who serve at 60 mph with weak returns, who leisurely chase after balls do have less to worry about. They also have less wins. :cool:
 

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Definitely their style of play...

if i were one of those panelist - i wouldn't go around making those suggestions until there was concrete proof.
 

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Various reasons:

1. Growing up on hardcourts
2. power style of play (why players like Martina Hingis rarely get injured)
3. genetics (_both_ of them get injured a lot)
4. not having played juniors (so not used to playing so much)
5. having been coached by someone not trained as a tennis coach. Not that Richard hasn't done a good job, but that perhaps he doesn't know as much about nutrition, fitness, technique as a qualified coach.
 

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<i>having been coached by someone not trained as a tennis coach. Not that Richard hasn't done a good job, but that perhaps he doesn't know as much about nutrition, fitness, technique as a qualified coach.</i>

LOL!! And I suppose Melanie Molitor is a TRAINED tennis coach, who is qualified in nutrition, fitness and technique.
 

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Nan Cu - Melanie Molitor was a pro. Perhaps someone with more traditional trained, a TRAINED coach that is, taught HER, while she was growing up. Then she taught Martina. Just a thought.
 

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That's what I was talkign about for years on these boards. The sisters destroyed women's tennis. They are successfully destroying their bodies too.:( Of course, it is not something anyone has a right to blame them in, it is just their way, and that's what happened.

Williams sisters put new standards of fitness for those who wanted to be competetive on WTA circle. THose standards are probably lying beyond what is harmless for a female body with even above average physique. The sisters are mostly playing limited set of tournaments ( US hardcourts, Wimbledon ), which are considered the most prestigous tournaments on Tour. They are playing very limited number of tournaments outside of that set. Being injured a lot of time during the rest of the season is probably the kind of payback for beign able to play a lot of US hardcourts they are ready to accept. But the rest of the Tour is not prepared to give those tournaments away to the sisters, even if the sisters are almost never a factor in the rest of the tournaments. Those ( US hardcourts, Wimbledon ) tournaments are too important. So the rest of the tour is making an effort to elevate their fitness level to match the sisters. And almost everyone is paying for that.

The result of that transformation is that WTA game is quickly becoming a poor copy of ATP game. A lot of power, more speed.
The last dinosaures of true WTA game have either left the game (Tauziat, Zvereva, Novotna ) or not able to deal with the new standards of power. In fact, apart from Hingis and few other less successful players, all players are either power hitters, or powerless retrievers. That's all we have.
 

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That's what I was talkign about for years on these boards. The sisters destroyed women's tennis. They are successfully destroying their bodies too.
Don't you just love these armchair tennis experts??? :rolleyes:
 

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Dang YS, destroyed women's tennis? Ok, changed women's tennis I will go along with, and for the better. A poor copy of the ATP! I think not. Look, I am glad the days of 30 hit rallies are gone. I am glad those 50 mph serves have disappeared. I welcome speed, power and athleticism into the ladies game. I looked at a picture of Hingis back in 97, and she was fat! Not the slim athletic looking Martina of today. How could anyone want to go back to that era? When I watch old matches they look like they are in slow motion. As for playing less tournies, I agree. The season is waaaaaaay to long. Lets cut it down to about 15 required tournies per year. Yep that will work. :cool:
 

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WHile I disagree with the accusation that was made about the sisters doping - it wasn't the original poster (adnil) who made the suggestion.

Furthermore far more nasty things were said about Jenn - some of the comments were by people in here who are now sticking up for Venus and SErena.

I don't feel either player has been doping - there is no proof to it whatsoever.

However, its a tad hypocritical to support one, and critisize the other.

Though, I expect nothing more, so why do I bother :confused:
 

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Doping is one thing, and I am sure great majority of players are clean in that aspect. Some allowed chemical substances, such as creatine, is another issue. It is allowed, so there is not much we can do about that. Sportsmen are openly bragging about using this kind of stuff. I don't think it is very good.
 

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I remember reading an article a while ago where Richard stated that Venus has had knee problems since the age of six. No doubt, it must be the surface in which she's playing on. I don't remember Venus suffering from tendonitis during Grass court or Clay court seasons as much as Rebound ace or Hard court. I just hope she gets well soon. As much as I would hate for her to pull out of this tournament,:sad: I don't want her to put her overall health at further risk.


<font size = 6 color=deep pink>PLEASE GET WELL SOON VENUS, WE LOVE YOU</color></font>
 

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Actrually in Venus' case it's a recurring injury. I think it comes more from her stature and the strain on her long legs when she constantly bends, runs, pushes, and jumps off of them. For a girl with her height the problem probably slowly got worse as her body grew while she was pounding away on the tennis courts from the age of 4. I don't think it has anything to do with drugs. Even if they weren't Jehovah's witnesses they just don't seem like the type to do that.

You should see my sister's two little girls. They love tennis and especially Venus and Serena. The weird thing is that they are both tall for their ages, and look almost identical to Venus and Serena as far as physique. One is 8 the other just turned 4 last week. We tease them and call them lil V and lil Rena. The oldest one is tall and lanky, heck half her body is all leg, and since she was about 4 everyone's said she should be a model. And the girl can run even though she doesn't look like she's going that fast, her long strides carry her a good distance. The younger one is tall two, but not lanky like her sister and extremely strong. For a 4 year old that little girl can pack a punch. LOL. She's much more solidly built though. I hope if they decide to get into any sport that their not accused of the same thing just because of the way they are built.
 
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