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Lots of different things hold players back from winning GS titles.

For Venus Williams, its her 2nd serve. And her sister.

For Lindsay Davenport, it's lack of foot speed.

For Amelie Mauresmo, it's been health. (She just has to have 24 injury free months in row.)

Chanda Rubin and Anastasia Myskina, just don't generate big enough pace, easily enough. If you HAVE to throw your whole body into a shock to get big pace, it's hard to win seven GS matches in a row.

Having said all that, I think there are quite a few players who are being held back by their lack of tennis knowledge. They just don't know what shot to hit when to create an opportunity for a winner.

The top two candidates for this category have to be Kim Clijsters and Jennifer Capriati. The charge, whie having some validity, is not altogether fair. K and J both make relatively few attempts at winners, or shots close to the line, when facing elite opposition. At that level, it isn't easy to set up a point if you don't take risks. Even the slow players are too fast, and control the racket too well. But if you have the will to retrieve and take your winners as the Gods will, most players will either make an error eventually, or give you something to erase.

I've only seen Zvonareva once, so it's unfair to judge. Same with Petrova, but what I have seen seems to favor power over strategy. But it was only a couple games, so who's to say?

Certainly Hantuchova has forgotten whatever she knew about setting up points. She's another Dokic now. Well, that's not fair. It's more like, Dani and Jelena's games are identical-twin manic-depressive daughters of different mothers. Dani's game is the manic twin, which tells you how out-of-sorts Jelena's game is.

Alexandra Stevenson well, first we need to teach her that there's more to aiming than looking in that direction. But yes, eventually, a graduate level strategy-and-tactics-curriculum, and the South Beach Diet, could work wonders here.

You get the idea.
 
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vakulenko needs to learn a bit more about strategy and consistency if she learns that she could be quite a danger.
 

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Somehow I don't think Venus would feel that way.
LOL, yes something tells me that Venus would'nt even look twice!!
 

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If we look at the stats from last year, that liability of a serve that Venus possesses was not even a liability against the rest of the competition. It was only so against her sister. I dont know what that says about the rest of the tour, but hey :eek: !

On the other hand, if you look at Venus' matches, particularly 2000 and 2001 that shot was quite good. Even the infamous forehand was consistently belting out winners. Just ask Martina and Lindsay who kept going to that shot at Wimbledon only to be shocked. Lindsay tried that at the Acura in 2001 and it was hell for her. Venus played the best set of tennis in that semi final. In the first set she could do no wrong, from returns to the laser like backhand! ;)

I miss those days!!! :worship:
 

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You know, considering that Clijsters never goes for her shots against the top players, I wonder why she always has more winners and unforced errors than both Venus and Henin when she plays them. Add Capriati and Davenport to that list.

Funny thing isn't it?

:rolleyes:

Don't base a few matches against Serena as the whole playing style of Kim dumbfucks.
 

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You know, considering that Clijsters never goes for her shots against the top players, I wonder why she always has more winners and unforced errors than both Venus and Henin when she plays them. Add Capriati and Davenport to that list.

Funny thing isn't it?

:rolleyes:

Don't base a few matches against Serena as the whole playing style of Kim dumbfucks.
Always?? I know Kim had more winners and UFE's at Wimbledon. I could ask the question when did she hit them, but it's only one match. I can't comment on other matches because I don't know the stats on them. Most people usually have less winners and UFE's than the sisters because the sisters go for more. Davenport goes for about as much as the sisters so she sometimes has more than them. Capriati usually doesn't have more. The sisters play great defense and go for offensive shots, so they usually end up with the higher numbers.
 

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Like I said Kim's numbers are always lower than Serena. That's one player on the tour who consistently puts her on defense. ONE. That does not make Kim defensive at all.
I think people refer more to the fact of how Kim plays when she gets nervous which is just to play defense and let her opponent make a mistake which gets her into trouble against Serena, Venus, and Justine.
 

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Great post! I would add "nerves" for Amelie though injury has certainly played its part too.

As for Kim, I think nerves and youth (and a phenonemenally strong top 4) but I'll get back to you this time next year!
 

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At this point in time I don't think it's fair to categorize Jennifer like this as she does have three slam singles titles, a former #1 ranking & an Olympic gold medal. However, if you take the serve then that's what's prevented her from winning say 7 or 8 titles rather than the three she already has.

Dementieva is still the biggest Russian hope of a GS title I feel. She has the dangerous groundies in place - if she could get some sort of serve that would grant her numerous free points then she'd be right up there I feel. You can't win a slam always having to rely on breaking the opponents serve - you'll eventually come up against an in form Serena, Venus, Lindsay, Kim or Justine who are holding theirs easily and having a free hit on yours.

As for Venus' second serve - it's really only Serena who has been punishing it in the slams. I'd say Serena is Venus' slam problem as opposed to her serving - it's good enough to hold off the rest of the field the majority of the time.
 

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I agree with MirjanaFan about Jen.

Jen has got three Slams and their was definite point construction. You can't win the FO (where rallying is essential) without any for of point construction. Jen knows how to construct points (which could appear to be blasting the ball side to side, but hey, thats her strategy).

Where would you put Elena Dementieva, Volcana?

I definitely agree she was just a basher of the ball without much thought IN 2001-2002. Thats what caused her to regress. But her game in terms of groundstrokes has definitely improved as she can add so much variety to her game now (such as the odd foray into the net, groundies that are flat, topspinned or even sliced, incorporated better angles and improved that BH).

IMO, If Elena could get her serve in working order (I've said this SO many times) she'd be able to dominate rallies from the very start. The BIG serve would enable her to maximise the effect of her groundies.

Amelie has great point construction, its just her injuries and sometimes nerves that are holding her back. She knows what she has to do with the ball and plays some great net-based tennis.

So based on improving point construction, I would say Elena D could move into GS contender level.
 

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I completely agree about Jennifer not contructing points or at least not taking risks when she needs to. There were so many times in her match against Henin where she was 2 points from the match (11 in total) some of those points she could have fired her forehand down the line instead of crosscourt which was right back to Henin... Sometimes I just think that Jen can't hit the same power shot over and over conistently so to crack it up the line, which wouldn't even have had to be on the line ..just within a couple feet ...this owuld have been taking a risk to her.
 

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Oh and I dont think Elena should bother changing her 2nd serve... Nobody can attack in anyways ..its just too slow lol
 

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MirjanaLfan, DEETHELICK - I'm not saying Jenn CAN'T construct points, but rather that she makes a choice, by her style of play, that limits how much court she has to work with. Serena or Justine will go for a sideline without hesitation to set up a winner on the other sideline. Jenn simply doesn't hit that close to the lines routinely. She feeds the opponent pace til she gets a weaker return, then kills it. And if she was in the condition she was two years, this approach might still win GS titles.
 

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Apocalypse said:
Like I said Kim's numbers are always lower than Serena. That's one player on the tour who consistently puts her on defense. ONE. That does not make Kim defensive at all.
Don´t feel bad, ´cause Serena always hits more winners than EVERYBODY, not only Kim.

But the question is: "Why is Kim still getting nervous at the big matches?!" I mean after the first two, one shouldn´t be getting nervous anymore...but she was MORE nervous. She´s 20 already, she it ain´t a youth problem..
 
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