[DA FOREHAND]

justine has very good volleys, too bad Venus passes her like an ugly hitchhiker when she comes in against her.

 

[SJW]

vs the other three and you put Kim above Justine? Justine has two wins against Serena and Kim this year. Kim has three wins over justine but no wins over either Serena nor Venus.

And you say Kim is doing better than Venus right now so you put her above Venus, yet you put Justine, who has also done better than Venus this year below her?

Topic Title: who in your mind is currently the third best player

 

[Hendouble]

Interesting metaphor, Da Forehand - presumably Henin sticks her thumb out as she raises the racquet and tries to jump straight into Venus' path?

 

[Hendouble]

Actually, the metaphor is flawed - to pass Henin like an ugly hitchhiker, Venus would actually have to physically go past Henin herself. In fact, the way you phrase it suggests that it is Venus who is the ugly hitchhiker since she is the one who, and I quote, "passes her like an ugly hitch-hiker". Hmm, error-ridden on both counts.

 

[Josh]

Topic Title: who in your mind is currently the third best player

Indeed, so you don't have to give arguments that don't make sense to back up your opinion.

 

[Knizzle]

No can't agree here. Both Martina and Justine have more abbilities than the other players in the circuit today. Serena and Venus were started on power, MArtina and Justine started on pure talent.
Don't get me wrong I'm not saying that the others aren't talented he! But pure technical Justine and Martina are more gifted BUT that's not enough to be a top-player. That's why Justine is working out that hard!

Henin's forehand is just now becoming solid this year, before it was nothing, and that backhand can still be pounded on. You see this year she has become so muscular because her natural gifts weren't enough to win. I think the Williams get slighted because everyone thinks they popped out of the womb muscular and in shape and powerful. They obviously work hard to keep up their physical conditioning. Their talent was recognized when they were 10 and 8. Sometimes I think people are too caught up in watching how hard the sisters hit the ball to pay attention to the intricasies(sp?) of their strategy and tactics on the court. Somehow people think, hitting the ball slow or with spin or slice automatically makes a player "smart" which is not true. Venus especially is smart enough to have figured out how to beat a tough player like Henin 7 straight times. Those weren't really easy victories either some were 2 sets, but others were 3 grueling sets. The difference between Venus, Henin, and Clijsters is that Venus has figured out each opponent and how to play them. Venus is obviously mentally tougher, and she changes her strategies on the court better than the Belgians. Kim didn't change anything up when Venus countered her at Wimby, also in 2002 when Justine was up 6-2, 4-0 on Venus at Amelia, she didn't change tactics when Venus started to make her comeback. They are just like deer in headlights. This is what sets the talent of Venus apart from the Belgians. You can have all the natural gifts you want, but you have to have the brain power and skill to use them effectively. Venus has developed this.

 

[SJW]

Indeed, so you don't have to give arguments that don't make sense to back up your opinion.

dont speak to me

Hendouble: baby stop trying to be funny....it aint working

 

[Hendouble]

Oh, but it is SJW, it is. You see, using the curious logic of WTAWorld I deduce that you wouldn't be making the effort to respond to me if you didn't find my posts funny in some way. That, and I get too much positive rep not to continue with this egregious posting style of mine...

 

[alfajeffster]

Henin's forehand is just now becoming solid this year, before it was nothing, and that backhand can still be pounded on. You see this year she has become so muscular because her natural gifts weren't enough to win. I think the Williams get slighted because everyone thinks they popped out of the womb muscular and in shape and powerful. They obviously work hard to keep up their physical conditioning. Their talent was recognized when they were 10 and 8. Sometimes I think people are too caught up in watching how hard the sisters hit the ball to pay attention to the intricasies(sp?) of their strategy and tactics on the court. Somehow people think, hitting the ball slow or with spin or slice automatically makes a player "smart" which is not true. Venus especially is smart enough to have figured out how to beat a tough player like Henin 7 straight times. Those weren't really easy victories either some were 2 sets, but others were 3 grueling sets. The difference between Venus, Henin, and Clijsters is that Venus has figured out each opponent and how to play them. Venus is obviously mentally tougher, and she changes her strategies on the court better than the Belgians. Kim didn't change anything up when Venus countered her at Wimby, also in 2002 when Justine was up 6-2, 4-0 on Venus at Amelia, she didn't change tactics when Venus started to make her comeback. They are just like deer in headlights. This is what setst the talent of Venus apart from the Belgians. You can have all the natural gifts you want, but you have to have the brain power and skill to use them effectively. Venus has developed this.

As the British would say: BOLLOX!!! Deer in the headlights, really! That's exactly what Venus Williams looked like when she played Martina Hingis and Lindsay Davenport and lost regularly for a long time until new coaching (yes, she gets it regularly and never gives credit where credit is due) taught her to cut down on the unforced errors and simply rely on her athleticism to run down everything and expect to have to hit winners on the dead run all the time. She is without a doubt the most stupid #1 player in the history of women's tennis, IMHO

 

[SJW]

Oh, but it is SJW, it is. You see, using the curious logic of WTAWorld I deduce that you wouldn't be making the effort to respond to me if you didn't find my posts funny in some way. That, and I get too much positive rep not to continue with this egregious posting style of mine...

ahhhhhhhh thats what it is........rep whore

 

[Hendouble]

Actually, it's "bollocks", but your point is well taken.

 

[SJW]

btw: calling tennis players who earn millions a year stupid only makes urself look MOREso

 

[Hendouble]

Oh no, SJW - I was employing this unique style long before the concept of reputation points became a reality. They simply confirmed and validated what I was doing, I don't tailor what I say just to suit others.

 

[fleemke³]

Henin's forehand is just now becoming solid this year, before it was nothing, and that backhand can still be pounded on. You see this year she has become so muscular because her natural gifts weren't enough to win. I think the Williams get slighted because everyone thinks they popped out of the womb muscular and in shape and powerful. They obviously work hard to keep up their physical conditioning. Their talent was recognized when they were 10 and 8. Sometimes I think people are too caught up in watching how hard the sisters hit the ball to pay attention to the intricasies(sp?) of their strategy and tactics on the court. Somehow people think, hitting the ball slow or with spin or slice automatically makes a player "smart" which is not true. Venus especially is smart enough to have figured out how to beat a tough player like Henin 7 straight times. Those weren't really easy victories either some were 2 sets, but others were 3 grueling sets. The difference between Venus, Henin, and Clijsters is that Venus has figured out each opponent and how to play them. Venus is obviously mentally tougher, and she changes her strategies on the court better than the Belgians. Kim didn't change anything up when Venus countered her at Wimby, also in 2002 when Justine was up 6-2, 4-0 on Venus at Amelia, she didn't change tactics when Venus started to make her comeback. They are just like deer in headlights. This is what setst the talent of Venus apart from the Belgians. You can have all the natural gifts you want, but you have to have the brain power and skill to use them effectively. Venus has developed this.

Well maybe Venu is smarter but she has a lot more matches played yet on the highest level! The Justine who lost against Venus 2-3 years ago isn't the same as the Jsutine who beat Serena twice this year!
And I meant that Justine can do everything with here racket and very easy!

 

[Hendouble]

btw: calling tennis players who earn millions a year stupid only makes urself look MOREso

Not really - intelligence isn't an essential quality for earning millions, as many moronic company executives and spoilt heiresses have proved in the past. I'll bet I'm more intelligent than a lot of tennis players out there, the difference is I'm not as talented or as strong-willed as them. Well, OK, I'm not talented or strong-willed at all in comparison to them, but I bet I could beat a couple of them at Trivial Pursuit.

 

[DA FOREHAND]

. She is without a doubt the most stupid #1 player in the history of women's tennis, IMHO


Capriati? I'm not gonna call any top player stupid, but Monica was never known as a tacticul genius either.

 

[bandabou]

And since that Amelia match Justine hasn´t taken a single set off Venus.

 

[SJW]

Not really - intelligence isn't an essential quality for earning millions, as many moronic company executives and spoilt heiresses have proved in the past. I'll bet I'm more intelligent than a lot of tennis players out there, the difference is I'm not as talented or as strong-willed as them. Well, OK, I'm not talented or strong-willed at all in comparison to them, but I bet I could beat a couple of them at Trivial Pursuit.

someone who earns that much--> isnt stupid. now David Beckham might not be the brightest sod to grace the planet bless him, but golden balls is a VERY VERY smart mofo

 

[Knizzle]

As the British would say: BOLLOX!!! Deer in the headlights, really! That's exactly what Venus Williams looked like when she played Martina Hingis and Lindsay Davenport and lost regularly for a long time until new coaching (yes, she gets it regularly and never gives credit where credit is due) taught her to cut down on the unforced errors and simply rely on her athleticism to run down everything and expect to have to hit winners on the dead run all the time. She is without a doubt the most stupid #1 player in the history of women's tennis, IMHO

First off all if you have to call her stupid, the you are ignorant yourself. You're right, early on Venus did look lost on the court against Hingis and Davenport, but right around 99 she started to figure them out, and totally dominated Davenport from then on. Hingis was a tougher cookie to handle because SHE ran down all the balls, but eventually Venus figrued out how to beat her consistently. Like I said in my post earlier, Venus DEVELOPED her game and her strategies against each individual player.

 

[tennisIlove09]

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