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I look at matches sometimes and it seems as if some players become so discouraged or intimidated by a player who really isn't doing anything special. Most of the top players to me seem to have an air about them that's intimidating.

When I watch Martina Hingis play it seems when she is smiling and playing around with her opponents she's the most intimidating. I sometimes wonder if some players are thinking to themselves "I'm trying my best and she's f***ing laughing at me". Most of the time when Martina is playing and isn't smiling it becomes a task to her, and when that happens she's at her most vulnerable. She used to smile all the time, which pissed me off early in the Venus/Martina rivalry. My sister used to ask me all the time, "What the hell does she think is so funny"? I would usually say "I guess the fact that she's whoopin' her ass". But she doesn't smile as much now which ironically I find disheartening.

When I watch Lindsay play it seems like just the fact that she hits the ball with seemingly little effort, and just walks around the court like it's practice is intimidating. While players grunt, sweat, and argue she's standing at the baseline cool as a cucumber. I think that more than anything that would piss me off. And I'm really not easily intimidated A girl is kicking my ass with little effort, while I'm running around the court is discouraging. Like a lot of the top players if you can induce some type of emotion other than their norm. You have a chance. With Lindsay a sign is usually when she talks to herself.

When I watch Venus, call me bias, it seems like she never loses confidence in herself. She could be down a set and 2 breaks and still walk around the court with head held high, shoulders straight, and those long strides like she's in control. That in and of itself is intimidating. But she too has very subtle signs of frustration. Sometimes she'll put her head down with her hand to her brow. Usually though you can't really tell. I get the impression that she's always thinking, and if she's tried all the various game plans and still hasn't made a dent than that's when you see small signs of frustration.

I don't feel like doing everyone, but who do you feel has the most effective if not best intimidation factor other than their game?
 

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I would say Lindsay and Serena are the most intimidating. Lindsay has that great serve, and the most devastating groundstrokes. Serena is intimidating, too. Especially when she's on. Serena's physique is also quite intimidating. She has such great power and speed. And I can't leave out Anna Kournikova. Her pouty lips are very intimidating. As well as her demanding attitude! Or, Anna-tude, as it is known!
 

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I think you hit Venus right on the head. (Not literally <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> )

Venus never gives any sign that her opponent is affecting her in any way. Everything she does gives off a subtle air that the opponent is irrelevant. Venus really DOESN'T care who she plays. She really does always assume she'll win.
 

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I think you are correct about both lindsay and martina and partially correct about venus...Venus is intimidating with the look in her eyes...but occasionally when she finds herself playing horrible and down she gets a desperate almost scared look and her eyes and thats when you have your chance with venus...otherwise shes basically unbeatable
 

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I like the Ice Queen look in Venus and Anna's eyes!
 

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the minute i saw the william sisters step into the court, i was like "ohmigod....if i was there, they can eat me up alive...."

lindsay will just drive me crazy....she gets so much spin, angle, power and placement in her shots,and she looks like she's not even trying...

martina won't intimidate you physically, but the minute her shots go in, and she has you running all over the goddamn court, you'll be pissed out of your mind! i once heard a commentator say martina's intimidation factor mentally was enough for you to lose a whole set just for playing her....regardless whether she was playing well or not...

as for anna, you look at her and you feel as if you don't belong in the same court (beautywise), that's not even counting the possibility that mostly everyone on the crowd is cheering her on....

i'd be intimidated by graf and monica seles too....cos they're both so well known already...and have accomplished so much, you'd feel as if they were giving you a tennis lesson...

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What good descriptions marshmellow! <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">
 

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I think that all of the Big Babes are intimidating. Earlier, and when several of them were all power, there was not as much intimidation as there is now. The reason for the change is that now Big Babes all possess a measure of variety in there games. And most of them can move.

Venus, obviously, is the one to beat and accordingly is the most intimidating. That huge serve, that reach, and that mobility is simply way too much for even the better players. But the other Big Babes also provide the smaller players with a fear factor. It's becoming increasing common to see smaller players just trying to avoid bagels against the Big Babes.
 

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I think Martina lost her intimidating factor a little bit, I mean take Dementieva in Moskou last year she choked and this year she won 6:2 6:2.
 

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Originally posted by Joseosu19:<br /><strong>I think you are correct about both lindsay and martina and partially correct about venus...Venus is intimidating with the look in her eyes...but occasionally when she finds herself playing horrible and down she gets a desperate almost scared look and her eyes and thats when you have your chance with venus...otherwise shes basically unbeatable</strong><hr></blockquote>

<br />I have to disagree with you on Venus. I've seen her play enough horrible matches in the last two years and still compete even when she was down. I don't think I've ever seen her look scared. She might have gotten frustrated with herself in a couple of them, and only showed subtle signs, but I don't think scared would be accurate. In fact I don't think Venus views tennis in the same light as a lot of players. She doesn't let the magnitude of the WTA get to her, and that's what makes her so mentally tough.

I think tennis is a big part of her life and she wants to play her best. But I think after 1999 she did a lot of mental evaluation, and came to the conclusion that life goes on after a match, and that true champions even on their most horrible days still compete. Being scared is not an option, because there's nothing to be afraid of. If you lose a match and you didn't compete that's one thing. But if you lose and gave up before the last ball was struck that's another.
 

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Against Amanda Coetzer in the Qf's of Oz Open, venus didnt look scared, but she had a shocked look on her face....

<br />I dont think she could beleive she could play so badly...After some of her shots, as the commentator said "venus has a look on her face like a deer stuck iin headlights"....

She just looked stunned...

<br />Anyway, back to the point I think Venus is the most intimidating...
 

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I think the biggest imtimidations queens of all time were Steffi Graf and Chris Evert. Both had such an air of superiority to them in their prime, like a "hey i won this match before we stepped out of the locker" body language on court. Even when they were down you expected them to come back and they usually did.

Monica had this too before the stabbing and Hingis was developing it 97-early 99. Now Venus probably has the best intimidation factor on court. I wish, oh wish, Monica could gets her's back!
 

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Anna intimidating? nah.....

But 20,000 horny teenage boys booing her opponent IS!

I honestly think thats part of the reason for her success in Australia!
 

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lol... I also think anyone will be scared when they play Anna. All the males are for her <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">
 

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Anna is my nightmare, when ever I see her I start shivering. <img src="graemlins/drool.gif" border="0" alt="[Drool]" /> <img src="graemlins/kiss.gif" border="0" alt="[Kiss]" /> <img src="graemlins/kiss.gif" border="0" alt="[Kiss]" />
 

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I'd probably say Serena personally. She hits off both wings really hard, she can run down anything, and she's got such a great serve. I think what makes her a bit more intimidating than others is for one, someone like Lindsay tends to show frustration easily, which I think gives an opponent a bit of a feeling of hope, and compared to Venus, Serena tends to be louder and more outgoing on court, she makes more noise. If I had Serena Williams hitting an overhead my way along with that grunt of hers I'd be scared out of my mind, lol.
 

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Great post QueenV, I'd agree with you about all three. It's Venus' assumption that she won't lose which makes playing her so scary - I still remember her quote from Oz '99, when she only just scraped through the 1st round against Silvija Talaja: 'it wasn't my fate to lose there, it was someone else's fate, so I had to hold serve'. And she won it 9-7 in the 3rd. And it's genuine, too - an unshakeable belief that losing is NOT her fate. Serena, I feel, likes to make out that she feels the same way, but it's clear that she doesn't.

Another intimidating thing about Lindsay is the fact that she's a sheer perfectionist. She'll toss her racket even after winning a point, as if to say 'I could have done so much better'.

Anna's intimidation factor isn't really tennis-related. It's more a sort of 'I'm better than you whether I win or lose, and you're still jealous of me' attitude (Anna-tude, yes).
 

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What about Arantxa? Her never-say-die attitude has put a lot of opponents off their game, getting balls back that no-one else could, getting herself geed up, and of course bobbing about when receiving serve. Perhaps it doesn´t do too much damage these days, but six or seven years ago was worth a few points each match.
 

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Definitely Venus Williams. Especially when she's up at the net or doing one of those swinging volleys. Like someone else said before, she doesn't show any emotion on her face. It makes her intimidating when other people don't know what she's thinking. At least Serena screams in frustration sometimes! <img src="smile.gif" border="0">
 
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