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There is no question who is the best player currently. But the question often times comes up, as to who has the most talent. Venus has the height and reach. Speed? Serve? Forehand? Backhand? Venus to me also has the best return of serve in the WTA. Net presence? Venus also is mentally tougher? So what does Serena have that makes some people consistently say she is more talented?
 

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for a start, I will say Serena serve is much more effective and is much less likely to break down, I also thinks that Serena serve placement is a bit better, what do you guys think?
 

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Nothing. It's just that Venus is a true player. Not fake not all smiley smiley but a women who is serious about herself and her tennis. ALot of people can't fathom a person of Venus's stature lke that. So they choose to rather focus on the lil Sister who seems more joyful and giddy. <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> Venus imho is a true DIVA of sport of women.

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Serena has a tendency to lose her nerve thus her service game. The serve is the only shot that is not a reflex thus if your nervous.. aka Serena alot of times then the serve is not that dangerous. Serena has a much smoother serve but imho Venus is more effective.. especially during the big points. ALso Venus is better at the net and calm on the court.

I dont know who her sport psychologist was but he did a damn fine job with her mental game.
 

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Right now I think that Venus is showing the most talent. However if Serena gets more serious about her game, lose the nerve and play more, she has the potential to have a much more lethal and consistent game than Venus. I just think that when Steamroller is in the "Zone" she is the best player in the world. Right now though, i think that Venus progressed a lot more since her first US Open final (97) compared to Serena and hers (99).
 

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I think Serena has more natural ability. She has so much power. It's just the mental aspect that she is lacking. She is less focused as others have said. Venus seems much more serious and focused on winning. If Serena could consisitently get that together, she could be unbeatable. Her serve is such a huge weapon. When that's on, there is no stopping her. We saw that at the Open against Hingis. I also think Venus has the edge psychologically to be better since she is the older sister. But who knows? It will be great to watch next season...assuming they both play a good amount...
 

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Serena hands down!!
 

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This is hard for me because I am biased in favor of Venus. <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> Everyone says Serena is dangerous and she is.. but when VENUS is on.. I think she is hard to beat and can beat Serena every time. If Venus played all her matches like she did at the Acura classic final she would be 50/0. <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> Venus is special she has room for improvement which is a scary thought. Oh hell they are both talented but in differnet areas.
 

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Better serve:<br />Serena.....Venus' might be more powerful, but Serena has such variety on hers that you don't know what to expect, which direction to guess. Serena's is more consistent also.

Better Forehand:<br />Before this year, I would've said Serena, but Venus has improved so much on it. It's one of her biggest weapons now. Serena tends to break down more on her forehand when nervous than Venus nowadays.

Better Backhand:<br />Serena, PURE POWER! Very well disguised too.

Speed:<br />Serena, shorter legs....quicker speed. But Venus does cover the court better with her length....a tie.lol

Serena wins 3-2 <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> <br />Serena just needs Venus' confidence.
 

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Hey Sequoia, were you thinking of me when came up with this topic??? [grins evilly]

While Serena's game may be technically better than Venus's, I don't see her upstaging (being ranked higher)her big sis anytime soon... I honestly hate comparing them, because they are so different on and off the court... However , I will give Rena the edge of serve placement and forehand --- Venus is definitely above her when it comes to speed, and that backhand of hers is just LEATHAL...

<br /> I am not a tennis expert, but I've studied Venus thoroughly from the time she came on the scene. You see , she is a student of the game... One can tell that she is always learning new things and is more dedicated....She also shows that she's capable of correcting weaknesses in her game. Her serve along with her rallies, drop shots, and court coverage were very ordinary in the past , now they have GREATLY improved. Her turnaround has come in her ability to add finesse . <br />Just watch their U.S. open match again ( I am watching it as we speak) hehe <br />Venus is more consistent and less emotional than her lil sis, and rarely seems to exert much effort<br />on the court.... Rena came out smoking, but of course Big Sis showed that her mental fortitude and athleticism are superior to her and the rest of the tour...

Tennis may be natural to Serena, but I somehow get the feeling that she is not really interested... It has been said that she always mimiced Venus from the time they were little girls, so I think her playing tennis is no different... Maybe she will prove me wrong as time goes by <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

Personally , I think /believe that Venus is the better player , and she will continue to lead the way for Serena... There is just something so intriguing about her..

Anyway, they're both great tennis players in their own right , so I will just sit and enjoy them while they play, because like my good friend Percy says"We are in a new era".

<br />Off my tennis box now <img src="tongue.gif" border="0"> <img src="tongue.gif" border="0">
 

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Well if you look at Lindsay she didn' start getting in better shape and taking her career seriously unitl she was 20 and look what she achieved. I'm sure Serena can do just as well.

I think Serena might be the most talented later on but now Venus knows how to use her talents more efficiently.
 

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Venus, no question about that.
 

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Infiniti I agree 100% with your post <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

VENUS is a great adjustment player.. I seen her hit balls from the toughest positions. And her volleys are lethel.. Venus hands down!! Hey infiniti I watched the Semifinal USO open today while I was studying. I am about to pop in US Open 2000. I love it when it gets to 5/3 down Venus <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

Anyway Venus has something special.. One thing about Venus that I notice is that she is constantly improving in her weak areas. She has improved her service game/he volleys/forhand/ and best of all her MENTAL GAME. Serena imho hasnt really improved like Venus has. Which imho is a sign of a TRUE GREAT CHAMPION.

Go VENUS!! <img src="smile.gif" border="0">
 

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Venus is ONLY a year older than Serena, and if I'm not mistaken, they started playing tennis around the same time.

I look at results! Venus is better ... NO QUESTION ABOUT IT!
 

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Serena's serve is dangerous but serve alone does not win the point all the time. It takes a well rounded player to up the ante and become invincible. Therefore Venus has that game and skill. Serena needs to work on how to close out a match and to know when her opponent is down and how to keep them down. Examples: RG and Wimbly...she needs to look at how Venus starts and nevr lets up once Venus gets started...the exceptions this year will be Justine, Lindsay, and Meghan.....all other of Venus' matches have been to play til the end and never let up. The first round defeat at RG was a match that Venus was never into if you ask me and I never consider that to be Venus.

Venus is the better player but Serena is not that far behind. Imagine if Venus learned Rena's serve and Rena learned Vee's game?...I think that would be deadly for the sport...
 

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it's hard to say because they're both great and talented players, maybe Venus has better results than Serena and she wins more titles, but i think in some ways Serena is much better than Venus, and in some ways Venus is a lot better than Serena <img src="smile.gif" border="0">
 

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I think that the reason people used to say that Serena was more talented than Venus is because a couple of years ago Serena had much more variety in her game than Venus. Now it's very much the other way around. As others have said, Venus has really learnt how to think about tennis and how to improve her weak areas whereas Serena has stood still.

I don't think that either is inherently more talented than the other. Physically, Serena is perhaps a little faster but Venus has more reach. So in terms of the balls they can return, they're pretty much equal. Venus just has a better tennis brain and that's what makes the difference. At the moment at least.
 

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Venus is better. She doesn't have Serena's mental hang-ups; she has the better tactical game (it could be argued that Serena has a more varied game, but Venus is infinitely better at strategy and using her brain); she uses her weapons more effectively. She's also better against the top players: most of V's losses this year have come against good players whom it was possible to underrate. Maleeva, Henin (then), Shaughnessy, Schett: none were top 10 players at the time, and Venus maybe underestimated them more than she should have. Serena, on the other hand, has choked against top players - Hingis beating her twice in a row, the three straight losses to Capriati - and never against lower-ranked players. But Venus always seems to learn from her mistakes quicker, and more effectively.
 

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I personally believe that tennis came easier for Serena than Venus. Venus had to work harder to gain the results, where Serena accomplished things with much less effort. Serena hit the tour defeating everyone including Graf, Hingis, and Davenport. Players who at the time were consistently defeating Venus. Serena only began to lose when the mental aspects were magnified. When she was expected to win. Also the other players began to develop strategy against her which she did not counter. Now there is evidence that she is maturing. Evidence that she finally understands the talent at her command. I believe she has crossed over. 2002 certainly will show if she has.

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Venus is more talented hands down. It comes down to this. If both are playing at their full capabilities Venus would win. Some say Serena has a better serve, but Venus has a much better return. She was returning Serena's serve during the USO final ferociously, and that was something that other opponents couldn't do. She kept her scrambling and her power was returned back by Venus with more power. When the going got tough Serena made more errors.

Also I think people are still judging Venus' serve by what it used to be. It used to be all power, but if you've noticed in the last 2 years she added many things to it that makes it just as lethal as Serena's if not more because of the extra mph's. She can hit it with power, change the pace, kick it, or slice it out wide, and people say that she has no placement. If anything I see Serena win more serving up the "T" then anywhere else. Yeah she can serve it out wide too, but if you watch Venus' matches she mixes up her serve a lot more than Serena. But the biggest difference is that she can come up with a big serve at crucial times, which really is the most important. So I'm going to break down their games.

Serve: Consistency(Serena), Placement(Serena), Power(Venus), Variety(Venus), Critical Pts(Venus).Venus

Return: Consistency(Venus), Power(Venus), Placement(Venus), Critical Pts(Venus) Serena sometimes goes for too much at the wrong times, and can lose break pts. or deny herself the chance to go up break pts. by going for too much. Venus can sometimes go for too much too, but mostly when she is already up in the set or match. If she is down she will usually return it back in the middle of the court to give her a chance of winning the point rather than blowing it on to much power. Venus

Forehand: This is a hard one. Serena has a great forehand, but it's the first thing to go in a tight match. It's kinda ironic because it used to be that way with Venus, but now she's tightened up her game and every stroke is pretty much lethal. But I'm judging on if they were both 100% so the edge goes to Serena. She has more power, more consistency, and better technique. Serena

Backhand: This is hard too, because they can both take a big whack and crush the ball on their backhand side, but I'd say Venus has the better technique, power, and placement. Venus

Speed/Scrambling: Another hard one. Serena has bursts of speed. I'd say she is quicker, but not faster than Venus. Venus has longer legs so it looks like she isn't going fast because of her long strides, but believe me looks can be deceiving. I think she's faster, and that's why you've heard her dad talk about her track record. If you've ever watched a track meet you'd notice that shorter runners usually get off the mark quicker, but after a few quick steps the longer legged runners have gained ground with a few long strides. Like Marion Jones. That's why side to side Venus is the faster player, because there's more ground for her to get moving. To net Serena is the faster. Tie

Variety: You'd obviously have to go with Venus. She has a way of coming up with so many alternate game plans when needed to defeat a tough opponent, because of the variety she brings with her game. She can rely on power, finesse, or just plain grit to beat you. Venus

Match Intelligence: This just means being able to know when to change your game, when to grind it out, and when to just cruise. It means knowing an opponents weakness and strengths, and knowing what to use to throw them off their game. Venus is the best at this and she has the variety to do it. Venus

Mental toughness/Will: Let's face it we've all seen Venus win matches that seemed impossible for her to win. 2000 USO (semi, finals) and 2001 Ericsson Final 8 match pts down come to mind. Her ability to stay calm, read the situation, and do what is necessary to win is 2nd to none. The girl just won't consider defeat until the last ball is struck. This to me is the defining asset of a champion. At this point it seems like if anyone got into a match decided on will alone she would win. Martina's, Lindsay, and Jennifer have all experienced losses like that to her. Venus

All in all they're pretty even. Venus has improved her game so much, and will continue too. Serena will improve too, but unless she improves faster and better Venus will always be one step ahead. On technical areas like backhand, serve, return, and variety Venus is only slightly better than Serena. It's the important areas like mental toughness and match/game intelligence that makes great athletes. Serena is almost there. Venus to me will always be the better player though. That's my break down.

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