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Halep.

But Azarenka being the major one to match peak Serena in 2012 to 2014 (?) is a period I won't be forgetting quickly.
Overrated achievement, Azarenka being in her prime and playing great tennis was terribly unclutch against Serena in big matches that she definitely could have (and should have) won, so not impressive
 

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I also think you overestimate its importance because it didn't affect either's career in one way or the other --- Halep was actually comprehensively routined by a 33yo Pennetta the next round.

I have to differ with you on this as well... that match was a huge stop for Azarenka, as it prevented her from getting back to a GS semifinal (and likely the USO final, as few would have seen her losing to Pennetta) after 2 years' absence... instead, she didn't get back, and has never gotten back... Vika's last elite GS performance remains the '013 USO at age 24.
 

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Halep has a better career for sure. Azarenka has a better game. She can play all the shots in her prime.
 

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I have to differ with you on this as well... that match was huge stop for Azarenka, as it prevented her from getting back to a GS semifinal (and likely the USO final, as few would have seen her losing to Pennetta) after 2 years' absence... instead, she didn't get back, and has never gotten back... Vika's last elite GS performance remains the '013 USO at age 24.
Not quite—that match was the AO QF she lost to Kerber in 2016.

And how was an unfit Azarenka who had barely made it past the QF of any events she entered that year guaranteed to beat a Pennetta that she had already lost to in Miami earlier that year? Especially given the fact we know Pennetta routined Halep in the SF and eventually won the title.

Yeah Because playing a 30 yr old fit Serena, is the same as playing a 40 yr overweight Serena. The logic, just goes right out the window with Halep fans.
This is what I was trying to say when I said achievements don't exist in a vacuum.

I actually think between both Vika and Halep it's a total tossup, but as a fan of Vika I'd probably choose her. Halep had more years in Top 10, more weeks at #1, and GS on two different surfaces (even though accusing Vika of being less consistent makes no sense - both have had the same # of seasons in the YE Top 20 - people often forget Vika was really good for 3 years before 2012). Vika was far more dominant at her peak, faced much better opposition when winning her biggest titles and was better against top opposition in general (67 Top 10 wins vs. 40).

I think there's an interesting discussion to be had but I take issue with people willfully ignoring the level of opposition in Halep's case. Which isn't a black mark against her - she won the titles - but it's context that needs to be considered. For instance, both Vika and Simona have the same # of Wimbledon QFs (4) and Wimbledon SFs (2). Obviously, Simona won Wimbledon and Vika didn't. Still, it's an interesting choice to exalt Simona's Wimbledon win while denigrating Vika's lack of a Wimbledon title when Halep faced a Serena who was old, fat, and slow and hit 26 UEs in 16 games. Halep's Wimbledon run was impressive but her performance in the final is one of the most vastly overrated performances I've seen recently.
 

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Probably Guest because of the Olympic gold.
 

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I would probably say Halep, as she has won two slams on different surfaces, whereas Azarenka is more of a hard court specialist. However, as has been already mentioned, Vika peaked at the same time as Serena, so imo if she had peaked in this time, when Serena is past her prime she could of had at least 1-2 more slams, including a Wimbledon title. I guess luck is a significant part of tennis and achievements, in addition to talent.
Not undermining Haleps abilities.
 

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Azarenka is warrior and proved herself to be one of the most improved and best players during her time.


Halep... well she's a vulturer and chancer, she benefited from the drop of the quality in the women's tennis in 2014.
 

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Azarenka played against a tougher competition - Halep only broke out as #1 when some of the best players got older.

Peak Azarenka would have blasted peak Halep off the court, period.
 

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I have to differ with you on this as well... that match was a huge stop for Azarenka, as it prevented her from getting back to a GS semifinal (and likely the USO final, as few would have seen her losing to Pennetta) after 2 years' absence... instead, she didn't get back, and has never gotten back... Vika's last elite GS performance remains the '013 USO at age 24.
Vika had actually lost to Penetta in Miami that year, and she was also injured, had retired from Cincy against Pavs and hadn't practiced the day before her match with Halep (that match was effectively the end of her season), so there's no guarantee she would have beaten Penetta, who had beaten Petra and was playing quite well. After the first half of 2013 Vika was never remotely the player she was before, even her USO in 2013 was quite patchy despite making the final. Her peak, with ups and downs, was short lived, lasting more or less a couple of years, though she could play great tennis before 2011, like at the AO in 2010. All the H2H she messed up after 2013 were mainly because she was mostly injured and out of form. If this was because of bad luck, or handling her career badly or a combination of both, is open to debate.
 
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I'm not about to value the career of someone who lost to Wozniacki in a GS final
Because losing a match after coming from 2 marathons with Davis and Kerber and being injured for the entire tournament definitely makes your whole career worthless 😒
 
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A hard claim to prove... don't forget that Simona came out on top in their most important career head-to-head clash in the '015 USO quarterfinal, and she also absolutely destroyed Vika at Wimby last year, when many people had expected it to be a toss-up match.
The only reason that match holds any importance is that it's yet another huge wasted opportunity draw-wise for Vika after Serena went on to lose to Vinci. The fact that it took Peak Halep a rain delay to stop Azarenka who was also nursing an injury at that tournament, coupled with the fact that Halep flopped hilariously against Pennetta immediately after speaks volumes. I mean, if THAT's supposed to be a watershed match in someone's career...

When it comes to the Wimbledon match last year, Vika was fast out of the blocks taking the lead and then somehow couldn't find the court and barely won another game. She beat herself in one of the biggest meltdowns I've ever seen.
 

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The only reason that match holds any importance is that it's yet another huge wasted opportunity draw-wise for Vika after Serena went on to lose to Vinci. The fact that it took Peak Halep a rain delay to stop Azarenka who was also nursing an injury at that tournament, coupled with the fact that Halep flopped hilariously against Pennetta immediately after speaks volumes. I mean, if THAT's supposed to be a watershed match in someone's career...

When it comes to the Wimbledon match last year, Vika was fast out of the blocks taking the lead and then somehow couldn't find the court and barely won another game. She beat herself in one of the biggest meltdowns I've ever seen.
That s a horrible take on the whole situation . Yes, Azarenka was injured , but Simona played the final of Toronto , followed by the final of Cyncy and a couple of marathon matches in the tournament . She was exhausted and injured and you could see it in the match against Lisicki .
That wasn’t peak Halep as It was not Peak Azarenka .
The both played well , but it wasn’t the best level for either .
 

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Because losing a match after coming from 2 marathons with Davis and Kerber and being injured for the entire tournament definitely makes your whole career worthless 😒
Yet you halep fans have no issue with bringing up her wimbledon final as some "peak" performance, against a 40 yr old, overweight Serena, who didn't perform at all to even a half of her capabilities and nowhere near her physical form to even compete. Make it make sense. You can't give one player the benefit of the doubt, then the next a no hold barred.
 

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Yet you halep fans have no issue with bringing up her wimbledon final as some "peak" performance, against a 40 yr old, overweight Serena, who didn't perform at all to even a half of her capabilities and nowhere near her physical form to even compete. Make it make sense. You can't give one player the benefit of the doubt, then the next a no hold barred.
LMAO When did I bring her Wimbledon final against Serena into this discussion ? You literally did without any apparent reason. At least I don't pretend Serena's career is worthless because she lost that GS final against Simona. But yeah, keep putting words into my mouth and comparing me with the other "Halep fans".
 

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Vika somehow gets extra credit because she acted like a bad ass during her prime.

The game and the results just do not match the attitude.

0-10 versus Serena at the slams says it all, and she was in a winning position in several of those matches.

Hell, I think even Garbine Muguruza has had a better career.
 

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simona better resume, vika better talent
Halep eviscerated Azarenka lately, 6-3 6-1 and 7-6 6-2. Also defeated her in 2015.

Why do you say better talent? Maybe Azarenka was early, and Halep came of age later. In the end, Halep started very hard in the WTA, there were errors during the junior period of a very defensive coach.

If Halep wins 3-4 more Slams? Why don't you say that Azarenka is a little unstable? The truth is that she only proved it in a few years.

Yeah Because playing a 30 yr old fit Serena, is the same as playing a 40 yr overweight Serena. The logic, just goes right out the window with Halep fans.
Just that Halep also TRASHED Serena in 2014 at the WTA Finals!!! 6-0 6-2. When did Azarenka trash Serena?

You want to minimize Simona's triumph at Wimbledon 2019 anyway, but before the final you didn't give her a chance. Serena had smashed Strycova and it was Serena's favorite surface. Halep 6-3 6-1 Azarenka at Wimbledon 2019.
 

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Meanwhile Halep was stopped by Wozniacki, the US Open wont even be mentioned.
I'm not about to value the career of someone who lost to Wozniacki in a GS final
You are all pathetic. Wozniacki was playing great tennis at the time. Beat Muguruza 6-2 6-0, and after losing many finals started winning. Defeated Venus in straight sets at the WTA Finals final! In Singapore also beat Pliskova in straight sets (semifinals) and humiliated 6-2 6-0 Svitolina.

Best months in her career. Plus Halep anyway played a lot at that AO.
 
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