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How does Muhammad make money? She has to be a good doubles player or live off her family.
She plays a lot of doubles, had 6 titles.
 

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These days can't tell a scrub from a legitimate top player. They all make it to the tail ends of slams and lose routinely in the first rounds of tournaments.
 

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Hm... maybe a doubles specialist who at 24 yo has never reached the top 100 . Yup that’s what I’d call a scrub .
What has Barb done to you that she lives so rent free in your head? I’ve rarely seen such committed zeal and commitment to one cause in my years on this planet.


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Martina Trevisan seems like a good fit for a journey woman. Managed to peak at the most opportune time, spent 2021 playing, maybe above her level, but getting a true WTA season, and will soon be back to ITFs, having to fight for DE into slams. She’s limited, but a fighter.


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Here is a helpful analysis by @Orbis in The 2021 Volvo Scrub Open

TF - No Scrubs

A scrub is a girl that loves MMs
Known as a journeywoman
Always thinkin' bout making upsets
Ruining the draw at a grand slam, so

No, I don't want your breakthrough
No, I don't wanna give you fame and
No, I'd rather watch big names battle
No, makin' tournament finals and

No, I don't want no scrub
A scrub is a girl that can't sell out court-side seats
Hangin' out on court 18 or at 250s
Tryin' to defeat top seeds
 

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i wouldn't call cornut a journeywoman

sure she's been around along time but she's also been as high as #11 and has a rather strong presence on the tour. sure she's become more of a journeywoman now but i wouldn't characterize her career as journeywoman.
 

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Journeywoman, in my mind, is a player whom you aren't surprised reaches the R32 of a major, because she can maybe hit a hot streak and knock out a #20-32 seed, or she can come through a section where a more mercurial player does the same, but you ARE surprised makes the R16, and yet she has done so, maybe more than once. She can MAYBE reach the top 30, but she'll never reach top 20.

Cirstea, Sasnovich, Giorgi, van Uytvanck...

It's a step up from Arantxa Rus, but a step down from Alison Riske. How does that sound?

Also, you have to be "of a certain age" to be a journeywoman. There's a weathered quality to a player's career required to be a journeywoman.

Camila Giorgi in 2014? Not a journeywoman. Camila Giorgi in 2021? A journeywoman.
 

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Unfortunately, Drova is turning into a journeywoman.

Others who I think are and maybe shouldn't be journeywoman,
Kris Pliskova,
Lauren Davis,
Anna Karolina Schmiedlova,
Bernarda Pera,
Christina McHale.
 

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A journeywoman is also a player who attracts little attention
 

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I'd also say scrub and journeywoman aren't on the same scale, as in they are describing different kinds of qualities.

to me a scrub is someone who is (or should to some poeple) always losing, particularly at an elite level, but they keep their ranking afloat by good scheduling, getting far in a single tournament or two a year, and perhaps vulturing wildcards

a scrub should be distinguished from a vulture. a vulture can be of any rank and a vulture usually wins a lot

journeywoman is someone who hovers aroudn #70-#150 most of their career and isn't particularly flashy. they play tennis and just get on with it but never make it good. someone who can make a steady living off professional tennis but many will have a hard time remembering them, even while they are active.
 
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