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well, it was created when both Venus & Serena were dominating and women tennis was attracting huge rating from wider public, not just tennis fans.


Venus level having dropped considerably, it is hard for Serena alone, despite her charisma to carry the load.
 

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^ me too! :sad:

Although, I understand it. One interesting things about the article was the point that changing super saturday changes the dynamics of the tv coverage and TV Revenue and will the players be willing to deal with that if revenue decreases dramatically?
 

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^ me too! :sad:

Although, I understand it. One interesting things about the article was the point that changing super saturday changes the dynamics of the tv coverage and TV Revenue and will the players be willing to deal with that if revenue decreases dramatically?
Why not? If anything, if the prize money decreases due to falling revenue, the US Open would basically not be on par with the other grand slams, which is a pie in the face which they will never want to confront. If the other grand slams can do it, the US Open has to step up to the plate.

And the other asinine scheduling matter that the US Open has is the 3 days of 1st round matches starting on a Monday. Why deliberately cramp up your schedule like that, making it even more likely for scheduling gaffes in the 2nd week? If you want a 3 day 1st round thing, do it like the French and start on a Sunday.
 

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well, it was created when both Venus & Serena were dominating and women tennis was attracting huge rating from wider public, not just tennis fans.


Venus level having dropped considerably, it is hard for Serena alone, despite her charisma to carry the load.
Super Saturday was started around '84 with the women's final sandwiched in between the men's semi's.. They started the night Women's final when Venus and Serena were dominating. I don't know if they will abandoned night finals for the women or if they create a male night final? The article doesn't say just that it will change and it may change the TV revenue. :shrug:
 

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And the other asinine scheduling matter that the US Open has is the 3 days of 1st round matches starting on a Monday. Why deliberately cramp up your schedule like that, making it even more likely for scheduling gaffes in the 2nd week? If you want a 3 day 1st round thing, do it like the French and start on a Sunday.
Totally. Even Wimbledon with its stupid middle Sunday rule has found a way to give players a break between semis and finals and still finish the tournament on time. Changing the last weekend's schedule might save the USTA from having to build a roof on Ashe too.
 

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Super Saturday was started around '84 with the women's final sandwiched in between the men's semi's.. They started the night Women's final when Venus and Serena were dominating. I don't know if they will abandoned night finals for the women or if they create a male night final? The article doesn't say just that it will change and it may change the TV revenue. :shrug:
ok. I was talking about the women final in prime time Saturday.
 

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Why not? If anything, if the prize money decreases due to falling revenue, the US Open would basically not be on par with the other grand slams, which is a pie in the face which they will never want to confront. If the other grand slams can do it, the US Open has to step up to the plate.

And the other asinine scheduling matter that the US Open has is the 3 days of 1st round matches starting on a Monday. Why deliberately cramp up your schedule like that, making it even more likely for scheduling gaffes in the 2nd week? If you want a 3 day 1st round thing, do it like the French and start on a Sunday.
I don't know, maybe other countries have stronger revenue from their home countries and therefore their schedules are geared to their their home countries. Now the US Open has to determine what will be the best schedule to maximize the home revenues and if they give the players more say in the scheduling which may not maximize revenue then will they be willing to deal with that. I don't think that means a decrease in prize money but it may mean the prize money may not increase the way people expect or want??

There is clearly a lot of changes they can make like your example of spreading out the first round matches over less days. I don''t know about using Sunday because of the Arthur Ashe Kids day that is a Sunday tradition but maybe everything is up for change. :shrug:
 

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I don't know, maybe other countries have stronger revenue from their home countries and therefore their schedules are geared to their their home countries. Now the US Open has to determine what will be the best schedule to maximize the home revenues and if they give the players more say in the scheduling which may not maximize revenue then will they be willing to deal with that. I don't think that means a decrease in prize money but it may mean the prize money may not increase the way people expect or want??

There is clearly a lot of changes they can make like your example of spreading out the first round matches over less days. I don''t know about using Sunday because of the Arthur Ashe Kids day that is a Sunday tradition but maybe everything is up for change. :shrug:
They can blame the players but the weather hasn't made Super Saturday possible for five years in a row now. Even if the players didn't demand it, the USTA would've needed to change the schedule. Besides, the Monday final ratings can't have been that good, I'm sure CBS would prefer if they could guarantee Saturday/Sunday finals.
 

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:haha: at the focus that players need rest before SF and F. At all tournaments save the 4 majors they play 6 matches with no rest day in-between. Yet somehow the fact that it's a major is supposed to mean that playing two matches on consecutive days is a big deal. :lol:

Caveat - Yeah for playing best-of-5 there's some sense to it.
 

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Since the 1st Monday in September is always a US holiday, why not move the tourney forward by a week, having men's final on Monday afternoon and women's on Sunday afternoon or evning. Has this idea already been rejected?
 

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Since the 1st Monday in September is always a US holiday, why not move the tourney forward by a week, having men's final on Monday afternoon and women's on Sunday afternoon or evning. Has this idea already been rejected?
It doesn't seem to have been brought up. Wimbledon is moving back a week already, so that leaves even less time for the summer hard-court season which is already jam packed. Canada-Cincinnati being back to back is already a problem.
 

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Totally. Even Wimbledon with its stupid middle Sunday rule has found a way to give players a break between semis and finals and still finish the tournament on time. Changing the last weekend's schedule might save the USTA from having to build a roof on Ashe too.
Wimbledon does it by shafting women in the scheduling.
 

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They can blame the players but the weather hasn't made Super Saturday possible for five years in a row now. Even if the players didn't demand it, the USTA would've needed to change the schedule. Besides, the Monday final ratings can't have been that good, I'm sure CBS would prefer if they could guarantee Saturday/Sunday finals.
In the article they say Monday ratings are not good.
 

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Wimbledon does it by shafting women in the scheduling.
Noone cares about womens tennis in England. It's far more popular in the US. And Womens matches can be played back to back anyway as it happens on tour. The schedule is fitted around the mens Because you can't play 5 days straight best of 5 matches. It would lead to terribly quality in tennis. With womens it doesn't really amtter so the scheduling isn't a factor. Mens tennis is what brings the money in anyway.
 

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Since the 1st Monday in September is always a US holiday, why not move the tourney forward by a week, having men's final on Monday afternoon and women's on Sunday afternoon or evning. Has this idea already been rejected?
No way. The US Open is scheduled so that the middle weekend is the holiday weekend. Otherwise, early-round matches would be played before sparser crowds.
 

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well, it was created when both Venus & Serena were dominating and women tennis was attracting huge rating from wider public, not just tennis fans.


Venus level having dropped considerably, it is hard for Serena alone, despite her charisma to carry the load.

Um no. The womens final being at 7pm was moved due to the Williams rivalry. Super Saturday was created in the 80's when it was mens SF, womens final then mens SF.
 
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