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Oh wait, it's an occupation.

No, it was the liberation of Iraq. The
same mission the U.S. Congress and President
William Jefferson Clinton made a formal American
policy in 1998.

Saddam is on trial. Out of power. Terrorists
are being killed and jailed. Which seems to
bother Amnesty International more than the
gouging out of the eyes of two unarmed
American soldiers.


Two American soldiers, unarmed, are
tortured, eyes gouged out, beheaded,
beaten beyond recognition, and we go
back to 'occupation'.

First, where is the outcry from the Geneva
Convention lovers, the U.N, Red Cross,
A.N.S.W.E.R., moveon.org, Michael Moore,
PFAW, ACLU on this torture? Their silence
is sickening. It's also telling. Dick Durbin
disgusted me w/his comments in the Senate.

Underwear on the head, or a dog barking
at someone too much is not torture. Prisoners
at Gitmo who get special religious meals,
prayer mats, Korans, Red Cross visits, and
who largely leave weighing more than they
went in, is not torture. I know there is an
entire faction of the world who thinks Bush
started terrorism. Wake up. The guys who did this
latest attack, were trained in the 90's in Afghanistan.
The place Clinton tossed a few bombs at, and
then forgot about for most of his term.

Afghanistan, the place Carter didn't do much about
when Russia went in, Iran, the place Carter didn't
do much about when they took hostages....that guy
did us a lot of good didn't he? Yet, he's one of the
top Bush critics. Perhaps, if he had done more than
wear a sweater, we wouldn't be where we are today.

2nd, the answer as to when the USA will leave
is the same as last year - when Iraq can control
the security 100% - with its military and police
forces. Which are taking over more and more
portions of the security details all over the nation.
It's not complicated to figure out. To leave any
sooner is to do what we did in Somalia. What is
happening in Somalia right now? Why is that?

Because we cut and ran, supported by the likes
of Murtha, too soon, and visibly in surrender.
When they've held 3 free elections, when the public
obviously does not widely support the terrorists
(do you see 35 million followers, no), when they
are growing economically, and when they are willing
to defend their own nation - albeit slowly, it's no
time to do a Somalia on them.

If the Iraqis continue to line up to join the police
and military in droves, as they are, despite the
attacks on them by terrorist cowards, we can
stand by them. Should it be faster? Yes, I think
it could be. But, they've done things at an amazing
pace so far in my view. Mistakes, sure. It's a war.
Nothing goes as it does on paper. But, they've
done far more right than wrong, and it's no time
to do what Clinton did in Somalia.

3rd, can we get someone to call out the terrorists
once in a while? Cindy Sheehan and Michael Moore
call them freedom fighters, really. The men who
blow up senior citizens as they did yesterday, the
men who blow up school kids, the men who blow
up wedding parties, they are heroes? They've
killed more Muslims, destroyed more Korans, than
anything Bush or Blair have ordered.

Sorry if I'm annoyed, but, to NOT see more outrage
about the terrorists actions is sickening to me. They
are largely well educated, well financed men who do
this in what name? Allah? Freedom? They hate anyone
who is not what they are, and that includes you and me.
When will we figure that out as a society and free people.
 

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As of this morning, not one mention of
the torture and murder of two soldiers
in Iraq on the websites of Human Rights
Watch, Amnesty Int., ANSWER, etc.

Why?

It's not 'torture' they are against.
It's anything that can be seen as American
torture of anyone, even when it isn't torture,
or even when it isn't proven to be the case.
If it 'looks' like it or can be created into
a scenario that seems like it, they're against
American involvement in it.

But, bludgeon two young men and it's ho hum...
if they are American soldiers.


All the while, up until recently, we had soldiers
in shackles who were not even charged with
crimes at Haditha yet, and may never be.

Guilty as 'not charged' per Murtha and Durbin
and others. As we find out more about Haditha
and see it may not be what was reported at all...
wouldn't be the first time.



150,000 soldiers in Iraq.
Down from nearly 250,000 when it
started.

We have more soldiers 'occupying' Europe
and Asia than we do in Iraq. I'd be happy
to see them leave both of those places
entirely.
 

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i love you babe :kiss: you speak the truth and point out liberal hypocrisy. I FUCKING LOVE YOU! although you are gonna be badrepped nonstop...
 

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samsung101 said:
Underwear on the head, or a dog barking
at someone too much is not torture. Prisoners
at Gitmo who get special religious meals,
prayer mats, Korans, Red Cross visits, and
who largely leave weighing more than they
went in, is not torture.
I hope you are just an other troll and that you don't actually think what you have said above.... because some of your posts are really sickening ...
 

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Why do your posts always have that fucked up format of really small paragraphs?
 
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No surprises to see where Samsung gets his news from - Fox.
 

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Oh wait, it's an occupation.

No, it was the liberation of Iraq. The
same mission the U.S. Congress and President
William Jefferson Clinton made a formal American
policy in 1998.

Saddam is on trial. Out of power. Terrorists
are being killed and jailed. Which seems to
bother Amnesty International more than the
gouging out of the eyes of two unarmed
American soldiers.


Two American soldiers, unarmed, are
tortured, eyes gouged out, beheaded,
beaten beyond recognition, and we go
back to 'occupation'.

First, where is the outcry from the Geneva
Convention lovers, the U.N, Red Cross,
A.N.S.W.E.R., moveon.org, Michael Moore,
PFAW, ACLU on this torture? Their silence
is sickening. It's also telling. Dick Durbin
disgusted me w/his comments in the Senate.

Underwear on the head, or a dog barking
at someone too much is not torture. Prisoners
at Gitmo who get special religious meals,
prayer mats, Korans, Red Cross visits, and
who largely leave weighing more than they
went in, is not torture. I know there is an
entire faction of the world who thinks Bush
started terrorism. Wake up. The guys who did this
latest attack, were trained in the 90's in Afghanistan.
The place Clinton tossed a few bombs at, and
then forgot about for most of his term.

Afghanistan, the place Carter didn't do much about
when Russia went in, Iran, the place Carter didn't
do much about when they took hostages....that guy
did us a lot of good didn't he? Yet, he's one of the
top Bush critics. Perhaps, if he had done more than
wear a sweater, we wouldn't be where we are today.

2nd, the answer as to when the USA will leave
is the same as last year - when Iraq can control
the security 100% - with its military and police
forces. Which are taking over more and more
portions of the security details all over the nation.
It's not complicated to figure out. To leave any
sooner is to do what we did in Somalia. What is
happening in Somalia right now? Why is that?

Because we cut and ran, supported by the likes
of Murtha, too soon, and visibly in surrender.
When they've held 3 free elections, when the public
obviously does not widely support the terrorists
(do you see 35 million followers, no), when they
are growing economically, and when they are willing
to defend their own nation - albeit slowly, it's no
time to do a Somalia on them.

If the Iraqis continue to line up to join the police
and military in droves, as they are, despite the
attacks on them by terrorist cowards, we can
stand by them. Should it be faster? Yes, I think
it could be. But, they've done things at an amazing
pace so far in my view. Mistakes, sure. It's a war.
Nothing goes as it does on paper. But, they've
done far more right than wrong, and it's no time
to do what Clinton did in Somalia.

3rd, can we get someone to call out the terrorists
once in a while? Cindy Sheehan and Michael Moore
call them freedom fighters, really. The men who
blow up senior citizens as they did yesterday, the
men who blow up school kids, the men who blow
up wedding parties, they are heroes? They've
killed more Muslims, destroyed more Korans, than
anything Bush or Blair have ordered.

Sorry if I'm annoyed, but, to NOT see more outrage
about the terrorists actions is sickening to me. They
are largely well educated, well financed men who do
this in what name? Allah? Freedom? They hate anyone
who is not what they are, and that includes you and me.
When will we figure that out as a society and free people.
What problem do you have typing your posts the way normal people do, instead of writing in that column form like a poem. I don't know if it's only me by I find that style really annoying. Not to mention the amount of scrolling it generates.
 

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Czechfan said:
No surprises to see where Samsung gets his news from - Fox.
and it's no surprise you get your news from CNN aka DNC :lol:
 
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liberals have nothing to say :lol: they have been completely exposed (again) and it seems they have been stunned :lol: only thing they can think of is "I hate your writing style :baby:"
 
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and it's no surprise you get your news from CNN aka DNC :lol:
there is a whole world outside of the usa and many other political parties than the 2 american ones you know about.
 

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and it's no surprise you get your news from CNN aka DNC :lol:
Actually its the BBC, but little details such as The Truth arent important to you. You are Republican after all and will believe any bullshit your government tells you to believe.
 

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liberals have nothing to say :lol: they have been completely exposed (again) and it seems they have been stunned :lol: only thing they can think of is "I hate your writing style :baby:"
LOL.. No Ive always hated that poem format he uses and just thought it was time to call him up on it.

To be honest, I just cannot be bothered to 'debate' Samsungs post. Its not that I dont have a lot to challenge it on etc. Its just that when someone is so far gone down the track of brainwashing as Samsung, theres no point in arguing as noone will really change their opinion.

I just find it amusing to watch the crap spew forth from Fox news # 1. A good little government parrott. I bet he see's himself as 'patriotic' ROTFLMAO.
 

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Actually its the BBC, but little details such as The Truth arent important to you. You are Republican after all and will believe any bullshit your government tells you to believe.
and you'll believe anything a liberal main stream politician says :lol: it's all the same, sugar.
 

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and you'll believe anything a liberal main stream politician says :lol: it's all the same, sugar.
LOL @ BBC = 'liberal main stream politician'...

Why did I bother?
 

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LOL @ BBC = 'liberal main stream politician'...

Why did I bother?
did i say BBC was a liberal main stream politician? exactley...

now it seems you're going to resort to your usual liberal method of avoiding debates by name-calling and such....
 

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Iraq is being rebuilt faster than NYC is rebuilding
the World Trade Center. Nearing 5 years, and NYC
and the govt.'s there can't get agree on anything
concrete. There is huge disagreement on every
aspect of the thing.


The Democrats call for cut and run, Kerry calls for a
timetable of July 2007. Which is just telling the
terrorist fascists to wait a little more until 7-07'.
This guy can't make up his mind. He'll change it
again in a few months, sort of, maybe. Depends
on what he reads in the polls.

Although, the Senate and House have both had
chance to vote on timetables and withdrawals, and
even the Democrats couldn't muster up a majority
to support those ideas they yell about every day.
6 Democratic Senators, that's it, and about half the
House Democrats. Where's their position?

I never expected Iraq to look like Mayberry RFD.

It wasn't a great place before the liberation, contrary
to the CNN sanitized version of things. But, it can
go forward as a Muslim Democracy like Turkey, and
even like a generally religious Democracy like India.
Which both have regular bouts of bloody attacks
and violence, and yet hold on to a form of a democratic
leadership to stand out in their regions. That's what
I expect of Iraq. 300-400,000 dead in the graves
in Iraq we've unearthed so far, but, Bush is the
terrorist to them.

1 life lost is 1 too many. But, to NOT hear the left and
the so called world wide humanitarian groups scream
out about the torture of the two soldiers is sickening, and
to me, tells me what they are really about. It isn't
human rights, it's just anti-American policies. Sadly.

Al Jazeera lavishes up the anti-Bush, anti-American
rhetoric from our Congress, and they know it. Dissent
is good, but, to do it w/o regard for the technology and
PR of 2006 our enemies have is ridiculous and irresponsible.
 

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hey samsung, since when was India a religious democracy. It is not a Hindu state, it is a secular state. Only a few Muslim nations and Tibet before it was thankfully annexed by China were/are theocratic states.
 

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*Amnesty International actually put up a statement,
that only took over 24 hours. Normally, they are out
w/i minutes of an event. Better late than never.



*Russian hostages in Iraq reportedly killed. Nothing
to do w/Iraq. They wanted prisoners released in Chechnya.
I figure it will take a few minutes to get someone to say
Bush caused all of that as well. They wanted all Muslim
prisoners released from Russian jails, for any crime.

Wait till they ask France to do that. That should
be interesting.


That place where followers of the peaceful religion regularly
blow things up, take hostages, and go into schools nearby
and slaughter kids. Putin is buddy buddy with the Iranian
govt. and their crazed leader. Working to help him make
nuclear military strength a reality there. Has not sent
soldiers to Iraq or Afghanistan, yet, there you go, killed
hostages, civilians. The new Al Queda guy in Iraq has
now killed senior citizens, kids, three soldiers, and some
Russian hostages to show what a tough guy he is. Kill
Zarqawi, arrest lots more afterwards, find lots of new intel,
and see what they do.....they act like savages.

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They hate anyone not like them. They don't consider
them (you or me) human beings worthy of living on
a planet they deem worthy only of Sharia law. But,
Bush caused terrorism. Right.

More reason to kill them faster and more often in my view.
Don't bother arresting them or sending them to Gitmo.

Putin will lay the the hammer down hard again if this
proves to be accurate. He has been brutal in dealing
with them, and he will not do any differently now. To
which the West and Europe will say...nothing. He doesn't
care, he doesn't have CNN and Fox and Katie Couric
and Cindy Sheehan to question him.

Can we please stop whining about being mean to them
and not giving detainees enough Cheerios, and not being
sensitive enough to the Muslim world. They can't win
the sympathy of most Iraqis, they can't win the sympathy
of most govt.'s in the Middle East. But, they can split
the American and European public, and gain time to
create more bloodshed, and wear down our resolve and
determination.

They saw Blackhawk Down, and they hear our political
left clearly. Just takes time to wear down America before
it retreats.
 
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