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I saw the years when Serena won 3 majors. I think this is better.
You dont know what to expect when the draw comes out
It could be Pavlyuchenkova and Krejcikova.
Could be Bencic and Vondrousova
Could be Raducanu and Fernandez
This IW could be Kontaveit and Pegula?
You never know how these WTA draws will shake out
 

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Medvedev just won the US Open and certainly wasn't schooled by a journeyman in the first round at Indian Wells like the US Open women's champion... LOL
but raducanu was under a lot of pressure to repeat her success after her US open victory and don't forget she was a qualifier in that tournament
 

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I remember how weird sounded to bring out Chris O'Neil winning a GS, the AO, out of the blue as her first title. That has happened thrice in the last 4 years. At least 2 of those women have won another title unlike Chris, and Raducanu most likely will follow through. But you also have to keep in mind how depleted the AO fields were back then, which is not the case for the GS nowadays...

Why would people watch a sport with 50 names to remember and a permanent turnover ?
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I keep seeing this comment. Just for interest some numbers....

Since the start of the Open Era for men there have been the following with only one slam title

Gimeno, Orantes, Edmondson, Panatta, Tanner, Gerulaitis, Teacher, Noah, Cash, Chang, Gomez, Stich, Muster, Krajicek, Korda, Moya, Ivanisevic, TJohansson, ACosta, Ferrero, Roddick, Gaudio, Del Potro, Cilic, Thiem, Medvedev

26 in total.

For the women we have the following

Sue Barker, Mima Jaušovec, Barbara Jordan, Chris O'Neil, Kerry Melville Reid, Virginia Ruzici, Iva Majoli, Conchita Martínez, Jana Novotná, Gabriela Sabatini, Anastasia Myskina, Ana Ivanovic, Francesca Schiavone, Samantha Stosur, Marion Bartoli, Flavia Pennetta, Jeļena Ostapenko, Sloane Stephens, Caroline Wozniacki, Bianca Andreescu, Sofia Kenin, Iga Świątek, Barbora Krejcikova, Emma Raducanu.

24 in total.

Looking at the lists I would say there is more chance of some of the recent women leaving the list than the recent men.

So which is more ‘typical , random - anyone can win’ - the men or the women?
Depends on the era.

For most of the OE, the women's game was more predictable than the men's, with the same few titans proving themselves incurable champions.

However, over the last 15-20 years, the men's game has been dominated by a few stars, and the WTA has become increasingly open.

Hence why we see the relatively similar number of 1-time champs in the lists. The same list 20 years ago would've seen many more men than women in it.
 

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The paradox of choice by Barry Schwartz
Oh nostalgia...but wait, we had limited choices.
 

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Trying to jynx Medvedev? It's working so far :p

I agree in the general concept, the WTA post Serena doesn't have established top players getting all the big trophies and lacks big rivalries, something the ATP is having in the near post Big 3 era. At the same time, Karatsev could have made in Australia what Raducanu did in the Us Open with no Djokovic there, so the differences are not that big.
 

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Even if we exclude the Big 3, the current top men are much more consistent and reliable than the top women by a huge margin. Had Djokovic not been around, we would have had Medvedev winning Australia and the US Open, Tsitsipas winning the French and Berrettini winning Wimbledon. Definitely not a qualifier or a 25-year-old doubles specialist who had barely won any matches in their careers.
Also, without overanalyzing things, simply take a look at the current Indian Wells tournament and compare the men's draw with the women's. There's no need to look any further to have a clear picture.
There was a qualifier in the SF of the AO at the start of the year which seems to be remarkably airbrushed from history. Yes "if Djokovic had not been around" Medvedev might have beaten him as there is literally a first time for everything. Or Emma might not have been the first qualifier to win a Slam - we will never know...
 

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The whole the men would be more consistent even without the Big 3 is nothing more than guessing. It doesn't take into account how they would react to the pressure of actually being favourites, of people expecting them to win. The only non big 3 Slam winner in recent times is Thiem, and he had a lot of problems since. Maybe they would be very consistent, maybe not, but it doesn't really matter and comparisons are futile honestly and pointless.
It'll take a couple of years once they all start winning slams to get to the fully jaded status the WTA has been in for a decade but it's inevitable they'll eventually get there if a new heir apparent doesn't show up.
 

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You're clueless as usual.
Medvedev: F Australia, Q French, 4r Wimbledon, W US Open
Zverev: Q Australia, S French, 4r Wimbledon, S US Open
Tsitsipas: S Australia, F French, 1r Wimbledon, 3r US Open
Berrettini: 4r Australia, Q French, F Wimbledon, Q US Open

Even if we exclude the Big 3, the current top men are much more consistent and reliable than the top women by a huge margin. Had Djokovic not been around, we would have had Medvedev winning Australia and the US Open, Tsitsipas winning the French and Berrettini winning Wimbledon. Definitely not a qualifier or a 25-year-old doubles specialist who had barely won any matches in their careers.
Also, without overanalyzing things, simply take a look at the current Indian Wells tournament and compare the men's draw with the women's. There's no need to look any further to have a clear picture.
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insane level of upsets

when one looks at overall, ATP has 1,5 times (over 2,10 odds) more upsets than women in this tournament.
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People forgot how ATP looked like before big3 era, that's why. People just think more about current state of both tours. Even if we exclude big3 then ATP top players are still much more consistent.
Are the though? I’m pretty such Thiem and Medvedev have recent 1R losses in majors and Thiem had a straight set loss to a guy ranked outside the Top 150.
 

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Yeah no. ATP already have an established group of 10 players outside the big 3 that are regularly reaching the QFs and so and winning things. You don't see out of the blue players outside the top 30 doing random runs as often (if at all). They do have top players that play well and win all year long.
The WTA does not.
Have you been following the ATP recently ?? Lmao. Where was Hurkacz when he WON Miami? Or Karatsev before get had the AO SF run? Or Lloyd Harris prior to his ATP 500 run. 2021 Benoit Paire was a set away from making the SF of the most recent MS 1000 event. Reilly Opelka made a MS 1000 FINAL (!) and a MS 1000 SF….on red clay! Delbonis made a MS QF this season. I could literally go on and on.

Let’s not even get on the “Top” non Big 3 guys- Ruud is Top 10 yet has only been beyond a GS 3R once. Thiem has 4….FOUR 1R losses in Slams since 2018. Rublev is the current number 5 and has lost in week 1 in 50% of the slams this season, he’s been in 2 MS 1000 Finals and never gotten more than 3 games in a single set.

You guys are deluded if you think the ATP won’t be just as bad as the WTA when the big 3 leave.

You're clueless as usual.
Medvedev: F Australia, Q French, 4r Wimbledon, W US Open
Zverev: Q Australia, S French, 4r Wimbledon, S US Open
Tsitsipas: S Australia, F French, 1r Wimbledon, 3r US Open
Berrettini: 4r Australia, Q French, F Wimbledon, Q US Open

Even if we exclude the Big 3, the current top men are much more consistent and reliable than the top women by a huge margin. Had Djokovic not been around, we would have had Medvedev winning Australia and the US Open, Tsitsipas winning the French and Berrettini winning Wimbledon. Definitely not a qualifier or a 25-year-old doubles specialist who had barely won any matches in their careers.
Also, without overanalyzing things, simply take a look at the current Indian Wells tournament and compare the men's draw with the women's. There's no need to look any further to have a clear picture.
Oh the irony…..
 

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At this point, there isn't one Top Ten WTA Player who can be counted on to beat an ITF Qualifier.

It is one Prideless Bust-out (after another)

Whether it is Barty, Osaka, Aryna, Karo, Iga, Elina, Maria, Krej, Etc...
Nobody can be counted on to win, even as a 20 to One Favorite.

The ATP isn't much better.

It is riddled with choke artists

Everything from Joker blowing the Granny, to other players (such as Tsippy, Med, Ruby, and Zevy, etc.) routinely losing to lower-ranked players
 

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Medvedev just won the US Open and certainly wasn't schooled by a journeyman in the first round at Indian Wells like the US Open women's champion... LOL
Medvedev leads a washed-up permanently injured low-ranked Dimitrov 6-4 *4-1 with a double break just to lose the plot completely, 8 games in a row and eventually the match.

That's ATP consistency of the future, champ.
 

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Medvedev just won the US Open and certainly wasn't schooled by a journeyman in the first round at Indian Wells like the US Open women's champion... LOL
He also choked his R4 last night against a washed up Dimitrov but I see your point nonetheless 🤭
 

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Medvedev had just won his first major. People thinking that doesnt affect his mental game dont understand tennis
Same with Barty winning Wimbledon and losing early in the Olympics and US Open, or every first slam winner recently, like Swiatek, Thiem, Andreescu, nobody backs it up unless they are immortal like Djokovic
I like todays matches. Badosa/Kerber is another former slam champ vs in form player who never made a slam run. We had 2 of those yesterday
Kontaveit/Jabeur is 2 players never in a slam semi who both are suddenly contenders here
Its random but its interesting
 
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Medvedev had just won his first major. People thinking that doesnt affect his mental game dont understand tennis
Same with Barty winning Wimbledon and losing early in the Olympics and US Open, or every first slam winner recently, like Swiatek, Thiem, Andreescu, nobody backs it up unless they are immortal like Djokovic
I like todays matches. Badosa/Kerber is another former slam champ vs in form player who never made a slam run. We had 2 of those yesterday
Kontaveit/Jabeur is 2 players never in a slam semi who both are suddenly contenders here
Its random but its interesting
Pistol pete Sampras took a year to come to terms with his first Wimbledon win, its not uncommon to take time to adjust,

As usual on TF posters making consclusions and taking snapshots too early.

How old was federer before his first slam - 21 I recall and one of the GOAT - so its unfair to expect consistency from the 18-21 year olds.....they need time
 

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Yes, and both Raducanu & Medvedev could go on to win many majors
But this was asking a lot right after the first one. Now they might be better in Kremlin Cup next week after a loss
 

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FYI- the IW QF lineup for the ATP has only 3 Top 10 seeds and 2 of the players are outside the Top 35…..just for those who said these things only happen on the WTA, or looked for evidence of how IW was stronger for the ATP.
 

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FYI- the IW QF lineup for the ATP has only 3 Top 10 seeds and 2 of the players are outside the Top 35…..just for those who said these things only happen on the WTA, or looked for evidence of how IW was stronger for the ATP.
What point are you making? It's still better than the WTA. All the top 9 seeds lost before the R4
 
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