[Messenger]

There was talk in another thread about instances where top players are "owned" by players that you wouldn't expect in the head-to-head. So which ones can you think of? Off the top of my head I thought of three such cases, and looked them up:


Mary Pierce vs Paola Suarez


2 Toronto Aug 17 2003 P Suarez - M Pierce-WC 6-4 7-5
2 Auckland Jan 5 2003 P Suarez(5) - M Pierce 4-6 6-4 6-4
1 US Open Sep 8 2002 P Suarez(32) - M Pierce 7-63 6-3
3 Australian O. Jan 28 2001 P Suarez - M Pierce(7) 6-3 6-2
2 Hamburg May 4 1997 M Pierce(6) - P Suarez 3-6 7-63 6-3


Angelika Roesch vs Elena Dementieva


1 Wimbledon July 6 2003 E Dementieva(15) - A Roesch 6-2 6-1
2 Quebec Sep 22 2002 A Roesch - E Dementieva(2) 7-60 6-71 6-4
1 New Haven Aug 25 2002 A Roesch-Q - E Dementieva(8) 6-3 1-6 6-3
1 Berlin May 12 2002 A Roesch-Q - E Dementieva(12) 6-4 1-6 7-5

Anne Kremer vs Jelena Dokic


3 Key Bisc. Mar 31 2002 A Kremer(26) - J Dokic(7) 6-3 6-1
3 Indian W. Mar 17 2002 A Kremer(26) - J Dokic(5) 6-3 6-0
2 Pan Pacif. Feb 3 2002 A Kremer - J Dokic(2) 7-5 6-2
3 Wimbledon July 4 1999 J Dokic-Q - A Kremer 6-77 6-3 6-4

 

[Gowza]

stevenson usually beats capriati.

 

[Dava]

I think Elena has pretty much ended her curse against Roesch. She trashed her at Wimby.

 

[ex hopman]

Ai Sugiyama and Elena Likhovtseva (former doubles partners)

1996-05-13 Berlin Clay R64 Elena Likhovtseva (RUS) 6-3 6-2
1996-11-04 Oakland Indoor Carpet R32 Elena Likhovtseva (RUS) 2-6 7-6(2) 6-2
1996-12-30 Gold Coast Hardcourt F Elena Likhovtseva (RUS) 3-6 7-6(7) 6-3
1999-06-14 Eastbourne Grass R16 Elena Likhovtseva (RUS) 6-3 6-4
1999-06-21 Wimbledon Grass R64 Elena Likhovtseva (RUS) 7-6(6) 6-1


Ai Sugiyama (JPN) vs. Nathalie Dechy (FRA)

1998-05-18 Strasbourg Clay R32 Ai Sugiyama (JPN) 1-6 6-4 6-3
1998-08-17 Montreal Hardcourt R64 Ai Sugiyama (JPN) 7-6(2) 7-5
1999-08-09 Los Angeles Hardcourt R32 Ai Sugiyama (JPN) 6-2 6-3
2003-02-03 Paris Indoor Hardcourt R32 Ai Sugiyama (JPN) 6-2 6-4
2003-06-16 Eastbourne Grass R16 Nathalie Dechy (FRA) 6-1 7-5
2003-06-23 Wimbledon Grass R32 Ai Sugiyama (JPN) 6-4 6-4

oh, "top" player?
mmm... well, i got this info anyway...

 

[Gowza]

however their h2h is 3:2 in stevensons favour so she doesn't really own capriati. however 4 of those 5 matches were played in 2002 and stevenson won 3 of those.

 

[Dava]

however their h2h is 3:2 in stevensons favour so she doesn't really own capriati. however 4 of those 5 matches were played in 2002 and stevenson won 3 of those.

Cappy was playing real bad in 2002. The one at the start of the year was probably a true win, but the ones in Linz (the shitest match I have seen Cappy play), and Fillderstadt where terrible with Cappy not playing at all well.

 

[Lindsayfan]

it's not that pierce is owned by suarez..it's just that these matches have been played in the worst moment of pierce's career,so u cant really say that she's owned.i'm sure if these matches were played in 1998/99 pierce would have won easily.
same for lindsay and conchita: conchita leads lindsay 10-6 or stg like this ONLY cos the most of matches have been played in middle 90' when lindsay wasnt still the champ she's now.

 

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I'm sure this has been spoken of on the thread before but is anyone as perplexed as I am with Dechy's dominance over Shaughnessy? I would've thought they'd be somewhere close to equal footing but it seems Shaughnessy has major problems dealing with Dechy - though I'm sure most of the problem at this point is a mental obstacle.

 

[Messenger]

it's not that pierce is owned by suarez..it's just that these matches have been played in the worst moment of pierce's career,so u cant really say that she's owned.i'm sure if these matches were played in 1998/99 pierce would have won easily.
same for lindsay and conchita: conchita leads lindsay 10-6 or stg like this ONLY cos the most of matches have been played in middle 90' when lindsay wasnt still the champ she's now.

There are always factors, I'm not denying that. But Suarez owns the head-to-head - I'm not saying she is the better player. If she was the better player then the head-to-head wouldn't be interesting, would it?

 

[Glenn]

Justine Henin-Hardenne (BEL) vs. Magui Serna (ESP)
2000-07-17 Knokke-Heist Clay R16 Magui Serna (ESP) 6-4 7-6(3)
2001-02-26 Scottsdale Hardcourt R32 Magui Serna (ESP) 7-6(5) 7-6(5)
Magui Serna (ESP) leads 2:0

 

[Glenn]

Jennifer Capriati (USA) vs. Rita Kuti Kis (HUN)
2000-05-22 Strasbourg Clay R16 Rita Kuti Kis (HUN) 6-1 7-6(3)
2001-05-14 Rome Clay R32 Rita Kuti Kis (HUN) 6-2 3-6 6-4
Rita Kuti Kis (HUN) leads 2:0

 

[Jordan.]

Jennifer Capriati vs Anna Kournikova


1 Chase Champ's Nov 19 2000 A Kournikova(7) - J Capriati 6-4 6-4
QF Zurich Oct 15 2000 J Capriati(6) - A Kournikova(4) 7-6(4) 6-4
2 Sydney Jan 16 2000 A Kournikova(8) - J Capriati 6-4 7-5
2 Amelia I. Apr 11 1999 A Kournikova(9) - J Capriati 6-3 6-3

 

[Glenn]

Vera Zvonareva (RUS) vs. Karolina Sprem (CRO)
2003-05-19 Strasbourg Clay SF Karolina Sprem (CRO) 3-6 6-3 6-4
2003-06-09 Vienna Clay SF Karolina Sprem (CRO) 3-6 6-4 7-5
Karolina Sprem (CRO) leads 2:0

 

[Jordan.]

Amanda Coetzer vs Henrieta Nagyova


QF Brasil O. Sep 16 2001 H Nagyova(5) - A Coetzer(3) 6-1 6-4
1 Berlin May 16 1999 H Nagyova - A Coetzer(10) 6-4 6-1
3 Hilton H. Apr 4 1999 H Nagyova(16) - A Coetzer(5) 6-2 6-3
SF Budapest Apr 27 1997 A Coetzer(2) - H Nagyova(7) 6-7(7) 6-1 6-0
1 Hilton H. Apr 6 1997 A Coetzer(13) - H Nagyova 6-2 6-3
1 Luxembourg Oct 27 1996 H Nagyova - A Coetzer(2) 7-6(7) 6-3

 

[Jordan.]

pffff Glenn

 

[Mateo Mathieu]

Jelena DOKIC (YUG) v Magui SERNA (ESP)

1999 Cairo Clay (O) 32 Jelena DOKIC 6-1 6-0
2000 Wimbledon Grass (O) QF Jelena DOKIC 6-3 6-2
2001 Canadian Open Hard (O) 32 Jelena DOKIC 6-1 6-4
2003 Warsaw Clay (O) QF Jelena DOKIC 7-5 6-2
2003 San Diego Hard (O) 32 Jelena DOKIC 2-6 6-2 6-3

Jelena DOKIC (YUG) leads 5 : 0

 

[Mateo Mathieu]

Rachel McQUILLAN (AUS) v Lindsay DAVENPORT (USA)

1995 Key Biscayne Hard (O) 16 Rachel McQUILLAN 7-6 6-2

Rachel McQUILLAN (AUS) leads 1 : 0

*evil laugh* :bolt:

 

[Jordan.]

Magui Serna is such a top player.

 

[tennnisfannn]

Cappy was playing real bad in 2002. The one at the start of the year was probably a true win, but the ones in Linz (the shitest match I have seen Cappy play), and Fillderstadt where terrible with Cappy not playing at all well.

But then again, Stevenson hardly plays great against anyone. Actually Capriati is the only player worth mentioning that she has beaten.

 

[Joana]

Amy Frazier (USA) vs. Arantxa Sanchez-Vicario (ESP)
1991-01-14 Australian Open Hardcourt R16 Arantxa Sanchez-Vicario (ESP) 6-3 6-2
1993-09-20 Tokyo Hardcourt QF Arantxa Sanchez-Vicario (ESP) 6-2 6-3
1994-09-19 Tokyo Hardcourt F Arantxa Sanchez-Vicario (ESP) 6-1 6-2
1997-01-06 Sydney Hardcourt R16 Amy Frazier (USA) 6-3 6-3
1997-08-04 Los Angeles Hardcourt QF Amy Frazier (USA) 3-6 6-1 6-3
2000-08-07 Los Angeles Hardcourt R16 Amy Frazier (USA) 6-3 3-6 6-3
2001-05-28 Roland Garros Clay R64 Amy Frazier (USA) 1-6 6-3 6-4
Amy Frazier (USA) leads 4:3

That's strange!