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Many have expressed an interest for tipping doubles to be played as well.

I have no clear or definite concept of it, so I'll just give out some ideas about how it could be done easily and effectively.

For example:

People who have entered the singles tournament team up for doubles (if they want), but only singles matches are played regardless. Points of player A and player B (who've decided to team up for doubles) are summed up to form their doubles team points, which decide on 8 teams that qualify for the SEC as the season goes. So for instance,

player A gets 31 point
player B gets 23 points
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team A/B gets 54 ranking points from that tournament

or

pl. A 86 points
pl. B 19 points
team A/B 105 points

etc.

Of course, people wouldn't have to play with the same partner in every event, but it would be best, cause top 8 teams would qualify for SEC. It would maybe be wise to limit the number of players with whom you can team up over the course of the season, to, let's say, three? This would prevent the rankings list from having 305843789103178493201 "different teams":lol:

This system wouldn't be complicated, wouldn't require additional managers etc., but it would still give some more fun to the game of tipping.

Any thoughts on this?
 

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I want ot play real doubles, I mean picking the doubles winner...
 

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I want ot play real doubles, I mean picking the doubles winner...
I'm afraid it would be dificult to do, because we would need a lot of extra managers. Sure, the same manager could maybe run singles and doubles in some small event, but imagine a grand slam...:eek:
 

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^ yes, good idea.
we have DTT on MTF and that's quite exciting too.
I already sent PM to one of the biggest members in Tennis Tipping to offer this one, I propose to make rankings, but I didn't have any answer :help:
 

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If it's just merely adding the two players points it doesn't really offer anything challenging.

I think tipping doubles would be great too, but that would require a lot of extra work.
 

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Are we also working with titles? :D Because that would be great fun. So team A/B wins the title in this tournament en team C/D is the runner-up in that tournament. :)
 

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Are we also working with titles? :D Because that would be great fun. So team A/B wins the title in this tournament en team C/D is the runner-up in that tournament. :)
I really don't understand what are you trying to say here. Could you try to explain?
 

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Are we also working with titles? :D Because that would be great fun. So team A/B wins the title in this tournament en team C/D is the runner-up in that tournament. :)
the point is that the player winning the singles title could be partnering someone who doesn't have such success on that very tournament.
 

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Only thing I mean is that you have a title count for the doubles, just like singles. :p
Yes, of course there would be the title count, the rankings etc., most of what we have now in singles.

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Another point to consider - and this is adressed to all - do we want the defence of doubles points every year, or just a race system for each season? Point defence would probably require individual doubles rankings to be counted as well (along with team rankings), so that we know how much someone has to defend on a particular week, and also so that people are not forced to play with the same partner as 12 months ago. This could, for example, be done by dividing the team points in two and giving each player his/her half (like, 43 to each player if the team made 86 combined).

And another thing; what about bonus points? I'd say the same as in singles but award them to half the number of players than in singles (in other words, top 4 teams on IS, top 6 on PS and top 8 in GS).
 

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I think it's better to defend doubles points every year so it allows a player to change their partner.

Also, I think it's better that you tip singles match for singles title and doubles match for doubles title. Otherwise it makes no difference other than adding the singles points together to produce a doubles winner based on the fact that you got a good partner or a bad partner. TT actually produces different winning teams in various stages of elimination so it's not just a mere points adding.

It creates a scenario where your doubles ranking is somewhat dependent on your partner and not just yourself.
 

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How about this; we play doubles (with doubles matches), only on Premier tournaments whose singles draw doesn't exceed 32 players, Grand slams and an SEC. That wouldn't require too many extra managers, and since the TOC in Sofia doesn't have a doubles draw why bother even playing doubles on IS events. This would mean that we'd play doubles on the following tournaments.

Brisbane
Sydney
Australian Open
Paris
Doha
Stuttgart
Brussels
Roland Garros
Eastbourne
Wimbledon
Stanford
New Haven
US Open
Moscow
SEC Istanbul (this one could easily be managed by the same person as singles).

So this way we would need 14 extra managers - do you people think it could be done?
 

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Isn't this essentially 2 different debates? Tipping on doubles matches (which is probably nice for those who are interested in the doubles circuit) and tipping in pairs on the singles matches?
 

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Isn't this essentially 2 different debates? Tipping on doubles matches (which is probably nice for those who are interested in the doubles circuit) and tipping in pairs on the singles matches?
Yes, I suggested tipping doubles on doubles because I sort of agree that just summing up the points in singles to create doubles rankings wouldn't bring much excitement. Tipping on doubles matches might be more interesting and would really be something new in this game.
 

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Yes, I suggested tipping doubles on doubles because I sort of agree that just summing up the points in singles to create doubles rankings wouldn't bring much excitement. Tipping on doubles matches might be more interesting and would really be something new in this game.
Well...I don't really see how tipping on doubles should be done as a doubles competition, I'd just be annoyed at my partner for not sending. But I wouldn't play a game where you tip on doubles, so I guess my opinion there doesn't really matter.

I think there could be ways of making a doubles tipping on singles interesting, though...but not without very complicated rules, which I suppose tipping isn't really about. :)
 

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Well...I don't really see how tipping on doubles should be done as a doubles competition, I'd just be annoyed at my partner for not sending. But I wouldn't play a game where you tip on doubles, so I guess my opinion there doesn't really matter.
So you think tipping doubles should be played as a singles competition?! Well that's another idea - so now we have three:D But I really don't see why doubles wouldn't be played as a doubles competition, since we already have a team competition in Fed cup and people work things out when someone doesn't play as well as other team members.

I see it's unlikely we'll have a doubles circuit anyway. Some players say that tipping doubles should be done by playing on singles matches, and others say that doubles played that way wouldn't make sense and they'd prefer it only with doubles matches. And now we have your suggesion of an individual competition in doubles too. So if we don't see some solution to all this by the third week of December, we probably won't go with either of the ideas, at least not at the very beggining of the season.
 

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I started thinking about this thread again today for some reason. In fact, what got me thinking is the idea for a schedule. Okay, this season wouldn't be played completely because it already started, but we could still play quite a big part of it. I'd suggest playing all tournaments with more than 16 teams in the draw. By this year's WTA calendar that would mean:

- Australian Open*
- Doha*
- Indian Wells*
- Miami (March 20th)
- Madrid (May 5th)
- Rome (May 14th)
- French Open (May 27th)
- Wimbledon (June 25th)
- Olympics (July 28th)
- Montreal (August 7th)
- Cincinnati (August 13th)
- US Open (August 27th)
- Beijing (September 29th)
- SEC Istanbul (October 23rd)
* tournaments that have finished or already started

I think we should play in teams on doubles matches. As mentioned earlier, points of a team would be used for the doubles rankings but their individual points would be used for the purpose of keeping track of points to defend (each would defend his own points next year).

Bonus points would be given to 8 teams in slams and 4 teams in other events. Four best teams qualify for SEC.

We'd need 13 extra managers for a full season (SEC would be managed by the manager of singles competition), while this year we'd need just 10 if starting in Miami or 9 if starting in Madrid. Considering how many active players we have in tipping that shouldn't pose a problem.

Anyone interested in all this?
 
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