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Maduro was elected, Venezuela USED to be part of the democratic world. And despite being overall on the left, I hate him as much as the next guy, and I think most reasonable people on the left do. If a player posted a photo with him, I would criticise it. I believe all authoritarian extremism is bad and should be criticised, and cases like this, of democracies dying, is what a lot of people are afraid, regardless of their political position. I prefer someone who is liberal centre right, than an authoritarian radical left.

Some people considered Mujica to be far left, but he was quite decent.
Yeah, there are very few example in the world of genuinely ugly extreme far left government at present but Maduro is definitely the best such example we have. There really aren't a lot of crazed autocratic far left governments out there at present though, whereas sadly there are plenty of crazed autocratic far right ones.

And yeah, Mujica I definitely wouldn't describe as far left. He was absolutely no autocrat. He was pretty much the opposite of an autocrat. He was someone who was genuine in politics to serve the people of his country and make lives better for them, and he genuinely took nothing in return. He was an absolute class act and there is hardly a politician in the world who couldn't learn from following his example. To me although he was a genuine one off he also demonstrated what a good unselfish leader with progressive left political values can do. I'd rate Mujica as one of the greatest leaders of the 21st century. Easily.
 

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Yeah, there are very few example in the world of genuinely ugly extreme far left government at present but Maduro is definitely the best such example we have. There really aren't a lot of crazed autocratic far left governments out there at present though, whereas sadly there are plenty of crazed autocratic far right ones.

And yeah, Mujica I definitely wouldn't describe as far left. He was absolutely no autocrat. He was pretty much the opposite of an autocrat. He was someone who was genuine in politics to serve the people of his country and make lives better for them, and he genuinely took nothing in return. He was an abosolute class act and there is hardly a politician in the world who couldn't learn from following his example. To me although he was a genuine one off he also demonstrated what a good unselfish leader with progressive left political values can do. I'd rate Mujica as one of the greatest leaders of the 21st century. Easily.
Not to further derail the thread, but I'd say Maduro is more of a left-wing populist leading a failed state than an actual far-left leader. Cronyism is still quite rampant in Venezuela, which has made a (very small) bourgeoisie prevail and not necessarily complain about what's happening in their surroundings. Venezuela is no Cuba - it's a far worse place, and that despite not being isolated from the rest of the world up until very recently.

OTOH I think Mujica tended to be called a far-left leader mostly due to his previous affiliation to the Tupamaros in the 70s. As a matter of fact he was a moderate center-left leader (not unlike most social democrats from Europe, for example) that actually tended to clash with some other left-leaning governments (Venezuela, Argentina and Ecuador in particular - not so much with Bolivia and the short-lived left-leaning government from Paraguay and for sure not with Brazil and Chile). Actual far-left parties in most of South America do not enter alliances and despite the much resistance they may face from mainstream parties, for the most part they are under a self-imposed cordon sanitaire. I can't speak for the rest of the world, but most of the media in the region is controlled by large holders, sometimes related to churches. Far-right politics are way bigger threats to current mainstream parties than the far-left ones mostly due to exposure (and with Venezuela up there, they have a case over and over to pop up in TV and radio).
 

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tennis is still rich people sport. therefore no wonder many tennis players fond of right wing bigot leaders since those leaders protect their privileges' at best. a left leaned player is a rare seen thing in tennis.
 

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I dunno her background in off court matters. Part of me wants to give her the benefit of the doubt — because she could be just a ditzy doll trying to curry favour with the head of state of her country (somewhat different from ideologically supporting a politician/party or expressing a political opinion). But it could also be both.
 

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Not to further derail the thread, but I'd say Maduro is more of a left-wing populist leading a failed state than an actual far-left leader. Cronyism is still quite rampant in Venezuela, which has made a (very small) bourgeoisie prevail and not necessarily complain about what's happening in their surroundings. Venezuela is no Cuba - it's a far worse place, and that despite not being isolated from the rest of the world up until very recently.

OTOH I think Mujica tended to be called a far-left leader mostly due to his previous affiliation to the Tupamaros in the 70s. As a matter of fact he was a moderate center-left leader (not unlike most social democrats from Europe, for example) that actually tended to clash with some other left-leaning governments (Venezuela, Argentina and Ecuador in particular - not so much with Bolivia and the short-lived left-leaning government from Paraguay and for sure not with Brazil and Chile). Actual far-left parties in most of South America do not enter alliances and despite the much resistance they may face from mainstream parties, for the most part they are under a self-imposed cordon sanitaire. I can't speak for the rest of the world, but most of the media in the region is controlled by large holders, sometimes related to churches. Far-right politics are way bigger threats to current mainstream parties than the far-left ones mostly due to exposure (and with Venezuela up there, they have a case over and over to pop up in TV and radio).
Great post!!! Yeah, Jose Mujica came from a far-left background for sure but as you say, he led Uruguay in a centre-left progressive way not dissimilar to the way progressive Scandinavian governments have led their countries over the years. Still, his inventiveness, courage, wisdom, integrity, pragmatism and humour meant he really was a one-off. I am such a big fan of him. He is totally my kind of politician. I wish we could clone him and give every country their own Mujica to lead them. The world would surely be an happier, wiser, more compassionate and safer place.
 

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They should played mixed doubles against Serena and Trump.

That would only be worthwhile if both girls aimed for the male opponents' groin (or head) at every possible opportunity and when they did they hit it megahard. In those circumstances I would be totally on board with that match up. I would however be very disappointed if both of the male partners were not carried off the court on a stretcher.
 

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Oh no!! People have negative opinions about Babos's association with a right wing president!

Lets have a cry and yell about free speech and getting cancelled, and the perils of socialism and how Marxism is taking over and blah, blah, blah.

I'm starting to think the right is just as overly sensitive as the left.
Who's crying? just a bittersweet laugh at your dead brain(s).
 

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To be fair this wouldn't be the first nor last. Maybe they are just clueless about politics, but just leave it at that.
 

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That is a massive leap - could you please provide an example where someone on the right tried to ban/censor/cancel/etc... anyone on the left? Or tried to silence a conservative speaker at an event. I will patiently wait for your examples.
Ha!

Like when some conservatives wanted to boycott Kaepernick and the NFL due to his protest? You know when these people accused him of being unpatriotic and hating America?

Sounds like an attempting at cancelling someone to me.

Or when country band The Dixie Chicks criticized the war in Afghanistan and Bush, and there was national outrage (largely from the right) and stations took there music off the radio?

But let me guess, that's just the ultimate outcome of people using there free speech and will to choose what forms of entertainment to engage with?

Except when people want to boycott JK Rowling for her views on gender, in which this is not a defense and that is an example of the left trying to cancel someone and is bad?

All you hardcore left and right partisans are so far in your echo chambers that reason, logic and being consistent go out the window. Its pointless trying to keep up with when it is and isn't okay to cancel someone because it all varies based on what your ideology is.

It's bad when the other side does it and fine when your own side does.

There's no point continuing this conversation, partisans struggle with reason.

Have a nice day.
 

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Not to further derail the thread, but I'd say Maduro is more of a left-wing populist leading a failed state than an actual far-left leader. Cronyism is still quite rampant in Venezuela, which has made a (very small) bourgeoisie prevail and not necessarily complain about what's happening in their surroundings. Venezuela is no Cuba - it's a far worse place, and that despite not being isolated from the rest of the world up until very recently.
I can see where you're coming from, but the right can also argue like this. There are some far-right wingers in Brazil, that say for example, that Bolsonaro is not actually a right winger, he's just a corrupt authoritarian who wants to benefit himself. Some even come to the point to say that he's actually a leftist. And when it comes to those authoritarian leaders, it mostly ends up being this, whether they're on the left or the right side of the spectrum. I've heard people in the US to say similar stuff about Trump also.

Deep down, right and left is something that I believe is in part auto declaratory, what you consider yourself to be, is very important, because the concepts in themselves are not that well defined. What is it to be a right wing? Some people believe it's only to believe in free market. But this doesn't make a lot of sense, as it would make New Zealand more right wing than the USA, or Sweden to be more right wing than Poland. Some people will claim it means to be traditionalist conservative, but that also would lead to nonsense conclusions, as Margaret Thatcher was pro choice and was the first head of state to talk about global warming. That's why I'm overall not a huge fan of those labels when having a serious discussion.

Despite considering myself to be more on the left than in the right, a lot of people who know me don't see me there. Maybe it is because self considered right wingers are very often unpleasant people with terribly unscientific views. But does the mean the problem is in the right wing in itself or with the people? Because I also have a lot of problems with a lot of self considered feminists for example, despite the fact that technically, by the literal meaning of the term I am a feminist (although I don't normally define myself as such, because of all the other things implied).

Technically, it's even possible to be authoritarian in the centre also, but the "radical" part is more associated with authoritarianism than with what the person believe in itself.

OTOH I think Mujica tended to be called a far-left leader mostly due to his previous affiliation to the Tupamaros in the 70s. As a matter of fact he was a moderate center-left leader (not unlike most social democrats from Europe, for example) that actually tended to clash with some other left-leaning governments (Venezuela, Argentina and Ecuador in particular - not so much with Bolivia and the short-lived left-leaning government from Paraguay and for sure not with Brazil and Chile). Actual far-left parties in most of South America do not enter alliances and despite the much resistance they may face from mainstream parties, for the most part they are under a self-imposed cordon sanitaire. I can't speak for the rest of the world, but most of the media in the region is controlled by large holders, sometimes related to churches. Far-right politics are way bigger threats to current mainstream parties than the far-left ones mostly due to exposure (and with Venezuela up there, they have a case over and over to pop up in TV and radio).
I have to say the part of far-left parties in Latin America not entering alliances is something I'm not exactly sure. Here in Brazil, the worker's party, made alliances with all kind of parties, from fundamentalist evangelicals, to the direct heir of the party of the Brazilian dictatorship of 64-85. Roberto Jefferson, who is nowadays one of Bolsonaro's biggest allies, was allied with the worker's party a while ago. The whole thing is really farcical.

Great post!!! Yeah, Jose Mujica came from a far-left background for sure but as you say, he led Uruguay in a centre-left progressive way not dissimilar to the way progressive Scandinavian governments have led their countries over the years. Still, his inventiveness, courage, wisdom, integrity, pragmatism and humour meant he really was a one-off. I am such a big fan of him. He is totally my kind of politician. I wish we could clone him and give every country their own Mujica to lead them. The world would surely be an happier, wiser, more compassionate and safer place.
I quite like him also. It's interesting how in the middle of all South American chaos, Uruguay and Chile are probably the countries that function relatively well.
 

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What about extreme left? And who decides who is extreme? You? That’s as dictatorial as Stalin and Hitler!
Yes. far-right deserves dictatorial treatment before they go for their distructive politics. If Hitler was banned on time before becoming an extremist on power he would only stay the banned extremist. He was once 'only' like Orban today you know. Or you don't. Yeah you probably have no idea...
 
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