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2013 will be Test Season for suggestions and changes!

Please read the rule post carefully as there are rule changes throughout the season.



2013 Test Season Tournaments

Australian Open - Drake1980 def. SAISAI-GOAT
Doha - OhNaNa def. goOudinUSA
Dubai - taloki def. Buitenzorg
Indian Wells - tina110 def. valac222
Miami - valac222 def. digor
Charleston - Igorche def. DiRenan
Stuttgart
Madrid
Rome
Roland Garros
Wimbledon
Stanford
Carlsbad
Toronto
Cincinnati
US Open
Tokyo
Beijing
Istanbul​
 

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Re: Three Hands #7 - Stuttgart

Rules

Choose
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Each participant must choose

12 (3-4-5) different players for [128 Draw] or
 9 (2-3-4) different players for [ 64 Draw] or
 6 (1-2-3) different players for [ 32 Draw/RR]

participating in the tournament before main draw begins.

- The players must be arranged in the fashion where they are in 3 hands (groups).
- If you choose a qualifier before qualifying is finished, identify the draw spot.  Q1 = first Q on the draw
- You may not select LL as one of your players.
- You may not change your picks once you have posted.
- For tie break purposes, please list the number of games played for the final.
Hands
Code:
         128 draw   64 draw    32 draw/RR

Hand 1 = 3 players, 2 players, 1 player
Hand 2 = 4 players, 3 players, 2 players
Hand 3 = 5 players, 4 players, 3 players

- You may list back up players for each player in case there's a withdrawal.
Points Earned

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Each player chosen receives points according to the following chart based on round lost:

    Size  W   F   SF  QF  R16 R32 R64 R128

128 Draw  7   6   5   4   3   2   1   0
 64 Draw  6   5   4   3   2   1   0
 32 Draw  5   4   3   2   1   0

          W   F   SF  RR3 RR4

 RR       4   3   2   1   0

Total points earned = 3*(Hand 1) + 2*(Hand 2) -or- 0*(Hand 2) + 1*(Hand 3) -or- 0*(Hand 3)

- Chosen players who received BYE in the draw and lost in their first match will receive 0 points.
- Perfect Hands: Earn bonus points (x2).  Read below for more info.
- No perfect hands bonuses will be awarded for tournaments in RR format.
- 2*(Hand 2) if [Hand 2 > Hand 1]    , else 0*(Hand 2).
- 1*(Hand 3) if [Hand 3 > Hand 1 + 2], else 0*(Hand 3).
Tournament Tie Break

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In case there are participants who receive equal points:

- Points acquired in Hand 2 & Hand 3,                        if equal
- Points acquired in Hand 3,                                 if equal
- Points acquired in Hand 2,                                 if equal
- Correct final games guessed,                               if equal
- Closer final games guessed,                                if equal
- Greater of total rankings combined for the players chosen, if equal
- Whoever posted their hands first
 

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Re: Three Hands #7 - Stuttgart

To Play

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- Simply list your three hands clearly and identify your back ups before main draw begins.
- Back ups are not necessary if undesired.
- List a final tie break but are not necessary if undesired.

Code:
We will use Brisbane 2013 as an example:

Hand 1
- Pavlyuchenkova (Errani)

Hand 2
- Kerber (Stosur)
- Kvitova (Vinci)

Hand 3
- Azarenka (Lisicki)
- Sharapova (Wozniacki)
- S.Williams (Stephens)

Final
- 20 games
Score
- A scoreboard will be updated by the manager

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How to score?

Hand 1
> 4
> 4 x 3 = 12, earns 12 points

Hand 2
> 2 + 1 = 3
> 3 < 4 so 3 x 0 = 0, earns 0 points

Hand 3
> Wozniacki replaces Sharapova
> 3 + 0 + 5 = 8
> 8 > 4 + 3, earns 8 points

Total Scored: 12 + 0 + 8 = 20 Points
Perfect Hands
- Perfect Hands may have multiple combinations.
Code:
How to achieve perfect hands?

 32 draw = Pick Winner, Finalist, 2 Semifinalists and 2 of the 4 Quarter-finalists
 64 draw = Pick Winner, Finalist, 2 Semifinalists, 4 Quarter-finalists and any 1 Round 16 achiever
128 draw = Pick Winner, Finalist, 2 Semifinalists, 4 Quarter-finalists and any 4 Round 16 achievers
 

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Re: Three Hands #7 - Stuttgart

Ranking Points

Ranking Rule
- Points earned in each tournament (subject to tournament bonuses) will be added to your ranking
- Max 16 tournaments will count, no mandatory tournaments

Tournament Bonuses

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Tournament   WIN  RUP   3-4  5-8  9-16

Grand Slam  x16  x12.8 x9.6 x6.4 x3.2
Premier M.  x8   x6.4  x4.8 x3.2 x1.6
Premier 5   x6   x4.8  x3.6 x2.4 x1.2
Premier     x4   x3.2  x2.4 x1.6
Int.        x2   x1.6  x1.2
- Participants ranked 1-8 will be able to play YEC, with 2 alts
- 8 Participants not in YEC who have won an Int. this year will be able to play TOC, with 2 alts

Code:
Tournament   WIN  RUP   3rd   4th   5th  6th  7th  8th

YEC         x25  x22.5 x20   x17.5 x15  x12.5 x10  x7.5
TOC         x10  x9    x8    x7    x6   x5    x4   x3
Ranking Tie Break

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In case there are participants who receive equal points:

- Lesser total number of tournaments participated, if equal
- Points earned in Grand Slams,                    if equal
- Points earned in Premier Mandatories,            if equal
- Points earned in Premier 5,                      if equal
- Points earned in Premiers,                       if equal
- Points earned in Internationals,                 if equal
- Stay tied
* Note that 2013 Australian Open and Doha will earn less ranking points due to less players picked.
 

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Re: Three Hands #7 - Stuttgart

Ranking after Charleston:

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Rank	P Rank	Participants	Points		AO	Doha	Dubai	IW	Miami	Charleston
										
1	2	Drake1980	1554.4		1152	64.8	48	78.4	163.2	48
2	1	valac222	1540.8		454.4	70.8	4	473.6	512	26
3	4	OhNaNa  	1456.8		220.8	744	76.8	331.2		84
4	3	tina110 	1452.6		681.6	53	11	608	72	27
5	5	Buitenzorg	1107.2		224	446.4	108.8	211.2	68.8	48
6	7	goOudinUSA	949.6		60	595.2	12	78.4	176	28
7	6	SAISAI-GOAT	921.6		921.6					
8	9	Igorche 	851.6		224	66	33.6	89.6	278.4	160
9	8	feifei  	824.2		454.4	53	16	88	160	52.8
10	10	Cheda 16.17	681.6		681.6					
11	11	taloki  	660		214.4	146.4	152	97.6		49.6
12	12	luvwilliams	538.2		454.4	70.8	13			
13	14	Meelis  	529		61	72	4	195.2	172.8	24
14	15	Chilenaitor	526.2		62	297.6	48	89.6		29
15	13	anthonyqld	512.4		66	446.4				
16	16	Kylger  	506.4		224	70.8	15	89.6	80	27
17	18	Monzanator	475.2		53	52	16	331.2		23
18	19	coolfish1103	455.6		66	53	17	217.6	72	30
19	17	traddles	454.4		454.4					
20	21	digor   	452.8						371.2	81.6
21	20	Heinann 	423.8		224	144	28.8			27
22	23	Barktra 	338.8		67	72	81.6	91.2		27
23	22	Hidalgo 	335.8		67				268.8	
24	24	JustPetko	292.4		60	146.4	14		72	
25	25	Reephoria.	285.2		214.4	70.8				
26	26	champion88	272.6		67		4	201.6		
27	27	supertec	224		224					
28	31	DiRenan 	185.6		60		4			121.6
29	28	lolada_4	80		60	20				
30	29	charmedRic	66		66					
31	30	plokploky	64		64					
32	32	HateBlackouts02	63		63					
32	32	come on lena	63		63					
34	34	rbfilipe	56		56					
35	35	lizzard11120	48		48					
36	36	JustWonderful	42		42
* Note that 2013 Australian Open and Doha will earn less ranking points due to less players picked.
 

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Re: Three Hands #7 - Stuttgart

Scoreboard after Final:

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Participant_____        Score

tina110_________	29

Kylger__________	22

Heinann_________	21
goOudinUSA______	20	

anthonyqld______	19  Hand 3 = 12
valac222________	19  Hand 3 = 8
tenniscreep_____	18  Hand 3 = 12
digor___________	18  Hand 3 = 9
			
OhNaNa__________	16
JustPetko_______	15	
taloki__________	15
Chilenaitor_____	15
feifei__________	15
Igorche_________	15
coolfish1103____	15
Meelis__________	15	
Barktra_________	15
Buitenzorg______	12
Monzanator______	9	
Drake1980_______	9
 

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Re: Three Hands #7 - Stuttgart

Picks after Final:

Code:
[B]	tina110_________	02021		TB:	25					[/B]
										
	Hand 1          			Hand 2          			Hand 3          			
	Sharapova_______	5		Li______________	4		Errani__________	0		
	                			Kerber__________	3		Kvitova_________	2		
	                			                			Vinci___________	0		
	                									
										
	Subtotal        	5	15	                	7	14	                	2	0	
	Final           	29								
										
[B]	Kylger__________	02022		TB:	16					[/B]
										
	Hand 1          			Hand 2          			Hand 3          			
	Kvitova_________	2		Wozniacki_______	0		Jankovic________	0		
	                			Li______________	4		Sharapova_______	5		
	                			                			Kerber__________	3		
	                									
										
	Subtotal        	2	6	                	4	8	                	8	8	
	Final           	22								
										
[B]	goOudinUSA______	02023		TB:	25					[/B]
										
	Hand 1          			Hand 2          			Hand 3          			
	Kvitova_________	2		Li______________	4		Sharapova_______	5		
	                			Kerber__________	3		Wozniacki_______	0		
	                			                			Errani__________	0		
	                									
										
	Subtotal        	2	6	                	7	14	                	5	0	
	Final           	20								
										
[B]	valac222________	02024		TB:	17					[/B]
										
	Hand 1          			Hand 2          			Hand 3          			
	Petrova_________	1		Li______________	4		Sharapova_______	5		
	                			Wozniacki_______	0		Errani__________	0		
	                			                			Kerber__________	3		
	                									
										
	Subtotal        	1	3	                	4	8	                	8	8	
	Final           	19								
										
[B]	coolfish1103____	02025		TB:	27					[/B]
										
	Hand 1          			Hand 2          			Hand 3          			
	Sharapova_______	5		Li______________	4		Vinci___________	0		
	                			Errani__________	0		Jankovic________	0		
	                			                			Kerber__________	3		
	                									
										
	Subtotal        	5	15	                	4	0	                	3	0	
	Final           	15								
										
[B]	Buitenzorg______	02026		TB:	20					[/B]
										
	Hand 1          			Hand 2          			Hand 3          			
	Stosur__________	0		Errani__________	0		Sharapova_______	5		
	                			Vinci___________	0		Li______________	4		
	                			                			Kerber__________	3		
	                									
										
	Subtotal        	0	0	                	0	0	                	12	12	
	Final           	12								
										
[B]	Monzanator______	02027		TB:	19					[/B]
										
	Hand 1          			Hand 2          			Hand 3          			
	Wickmayer_______	0		Ivanovic________	2		Sharapova_______	5		
	                			Vesnina_________	0		Vinci___________	0		
	                			                			Errani__________	0		
	                									
										
	Subtotal        	0	0	                	2	4	                	5	5	
	Final           	9								
										
[B]	Drake1980_______	02028		TB:	16					[/B]
										
	Hand 1          			Hand 2          			Hand 3          			
	Petkovic________	0		Kvitova_________	2		Sharapova_______	5		
	                			Stosur__________	0		Errani__________	0		
	                			                			Vinci___________	0		
	                									
										
	Subtotal        	0	0	                	2	4	                	5	5	
	Final           	9								
										
[B]	anthonyqld______	02029		TB:	22					[/B]
										
	Hand 1          			Hand 2          			Hand 3          			
	Pavlyuchenkova__	1		Ivanovic________	2		Sharapova_______	5		
	                			Stosur__________	0		Li______________	4		
	                			                			Kerber__________	3		
	                									
										
	Subtotal        	1	3	                	2	4	                	12	12	
	Final           	19								
										
[B]	Heinann_________	02030		TB:	21					[/B]
										
	Hand 1          			Hand 2          			Hand 3          			
	Ivanovic________	2		Kerber__________	3		Sharapova_______	5		
	                			Vinci___________	0		Li______________	4		
	                			                			Errani__________	0		
	                									
										
	Subtotal        	2	6	                	3	6	                	9	9	
	Final           	21								
										
[B]	JustPetko_______	03031		TB:	23					[/B]
										
	Hand 1          			Hand 2          			Hand 3          			
	Kvitova_________	2		Vinci___________	0		Sharapova_______	5		
	                			Petrova_________	1		Li______________	4		
	                			                			Errani__________	0		
	                									
										
	Subtotal        	2	6	                	1	0	                	9	9	
	Final           	15								
										
[B]	taloki__________	03032		TB:	19					[/B]
										
	Hand 1          			Hand 2          			Hand 3          			
	Ivanovic________	2		Vinci___________	0		Sharapova_______	5		
	                			Jankovic________	0		Li______________	4		
	                			                			Errani__________	0		
	                									
										
	Subtotal        	2	6	                	0	0	                	9	9	
	Final           	15								
										
[B]	OhNaNa__________	03033		TB:	20					[/B]
										
	Hand 1          			Hand 2          			Hand 3          			
	Petrova_________	1		Vinci___________	0		Sharapova_______	5		
	                			Kvitova_________	2		Li______________	4		
	                			                			Errani__________	0		
	                									
										
	Subtotal        	1	3	                	2	4	                	9	9	
	Final           	16								
										
[B]	Chilenaitor_____	03034		TB:	16					[/B]
										
	Hand 1          			Hand 2          			Hand 3          			
	Ivanovic________	2		Vinci___________	0		Sharapova_______	5		
	                			Jankovic________	0		Li______________	4		
	                			                			Errani__________	0		
	                									
										
	Subtotal        	2	6	                	0	0	                	9	9	
	Final           	15								
										
[B]	feifei__________	03035		TB:	20					[/B]
										
	Hand 1          			Hand 2          			Hand 3          			
	Ivanovic________	2		Vinci___________	0		Sharapova_______	5		
	                			Jankovic________	0		Li______________	4		
	                			                			Errani__________	0		
	                									
										
	Subtotal        	2	6	                	0	0	                	9	9	
	Final           	15								
										
[B]	Meelis__________	03036		TB:	19					[/B]
										
	Hand 1          			Hand 2          			Hand 3          			
	Sharapova_______	5		Li______________	4		Kerber__________	3		
	                			Jankovic________	0		Wozniacki_______	0		
	                			                			Errani__________	0		
	                									
										
	Subtotal        	5	15	                	4	0	                	3	0	
	Final           	15								
										
[B]	tenniscreep_____	03037		TB:	N/A					[/B]
										
	Hand 1          			Hand 2          			Hand 3          			
	Kvitova_________	2		Errani__________	0		Sharapova_______	5		
	                			Vinci___________	0		Li______________	4		
	                			                			Kerber__________	3		
	                									
										
	Subtotal        	2	6	                	0	0	                	12	12	
	Final           	18								
										
[B]	Igorche_________	03039		TB:	20					[/B]
										
	Hand 1          			Hand 2          			Hand 3          			
	Ivanovic________	2		Errani__________	0		Sharapova_______	5		
	                			Jankovic________	0		Li______________	4		
	                			                			Vinci___________	0		
	                									
										
	Subtotal        	2	6	                	0	0	                	9	9	
	Final           	15								
										
[B]	Barktra_________	03041		TB:	N/A					[/B]
										
	Hand 1          			Hand 2          			Hand 3          			
	Sharapova_______	5		Li______________	4		Kerber__________	3		
	                			Vinci___________	0		Stosur__________	0		
	                			                			Ivanovic________	2		
	                									
										
	Subtotal        	5	15	                	4	0	                	5	0	
	Final           	15								
										
[B]	digor___________	03042		TB:	22					[/B]
										
	Hand 1          			Hand 2          			Hand 3          			
	Petrova_________	1		Kerber__________	3		Sharapova_______	5		
	                			Stosur__________	0		Li______________	4		
	                			                			Errani__________	0		
	                									
										
	Subtotal        	1	3	                	3	6	                	9	9	
	Final           	18
 

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Re: Three Hands #7 - Stuttgart

Reserved for Main Draw.

[1] Sharapova
Barthel vs Safarova
Ivanovic vs Petkovic
Pfizenmaier vs [8] Petrova

[3] Kerber
Pavlyuchenkova vs Makarova
Shvedova vs Vinci
Suarez Navarro vs [6]Wozniacki

[7]Stosur vs Jankovic
Lisicki vs Burnett
Mattek-Sands vs Wickmayer
[4] Errani

[5]Kvitova vs Beck
Goerges vs Flipkens
Vesnina vs Lucic-Baroni
[2] Li

Qualifiers updated.
 

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Re: Three Hands #7 - Stuttgart

Hall of Fame

Wins

1 GS - Drake1980
1 PM - tina110, valac222
1 P5 - OhNaNa
1 PR - Igorche, taloki

Finals

2 - valac222
1 - Drake1980, SAISAI-GOAT, OhNaNa, goOudinUSA, taloki, Buitenzorg, tina110, digor, Igorche, DiRenan

Weeks in #1

6 - Drake1980
2 - OhNaNa
1 - valac222

Current

# of Perfect Hands

1 - OhNaNa, goOudinUSA, Buitenzorg, anthonyqld, Chilenaitor
 

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Re: Three Hands #7 - Stuttgart [New Players Welcome!]

Dear All,

Couples things to address and for comments:

1. Since we will not be playing any international series for the test season, should we play or skip Sofia? If we are to play then it would be 1-8 for Istanbul, 9-10 as alts, 9-16 for Sofia, 17-18 as alts. Alts who are in Istanbul will be excluded from Sofia.

2. How is the new playing format going? 1-2-3 for 32 draws, 2-3-4 for 64 draws and 3-4-5 for 128 draws? The tie break seems to be working so we probably don't ever need to go to whoever posts first in the future. Any comments are welcome.

3. Starting from next year the season will begin from week 1. What I am proposing would be that each week we will choose the tournament from the highest category to be played. When there are just international tournaments that clash, we will choose the tournament that starts latest for the main draw unless a given tournament has higher prize money.

Here is the tentative schedule for 2014:

Code:
01 - Brisbane
02 - Sydney
03 - Australian Open
05 - Paris
07 - Doha
08 - Dubai
09 - [B]Florianopolis[/B]
10 - Indian Wells
12 - Miami
14 - Charleston
15 - [B]Katowice[/B]
17 - Stuttgart
18 - [B]Oeiras[/B]
19 - Madrid
20 - Roma
21 - [B]Brussels or Strasbourg[/B]
22 - Roland Garros
24 - Birmingham
25 - Eastbourne
26 - Wimbledon
27 - [B]Budapest or Palermo[/B]
28 - [B]Bad Gastein or Bastad[/B]
29 - Stanford
30 - Carlsbad
31 - Montreal
32 - Cincinnati
33 - [B]New Haven[/B]
34 - US Open
36 - [B]Quebec City[/B]
37 - [B]Guangzhou or Seoul[/B]
38 - Wuhan
39 - Beijing
40 - [B]Linz[/B]
41 - Moscow
42 - [I]Monterrey, Singapore or Tianjin[/I]
43 - [B][I]Sofia[/I][/B]

[B]International[/B]
There will be 10 weeks worth of international tournaments so the 8 qualifiers and alts will be determined based on the champions of each tournament plus points earned. If there are less champions, then we will use the ranking points in order minus the qualifiers who have already qualified and sent for the YEC.

If people think that's too many tournaments and would like to play on reduced schedule, be my guest and throw it out.

4. Proposition for seeding incentives. Since we have a small player base... I am proposing a revised seeding number for the larger tournaments and no seeds for the tournaments with smaller draws... so:

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16 or 8 seeds for 128 draws
 8 or 4 seeds for  64 draws
Incentives and advantages on suggestions:

1. Seeds will have the option of submitting a bonus player on the seed's choice of a given hand. The bonus player will replace a player in that hand that earned the least amount of points -or-

2. Seeds will have the option of submitting a bonus player on any given hand. The bonus player will replace any player in that hand that earned less points. If there are multiple players in that situation, the seed may choose who to replace -and/or-

3. Ranking points will be used to determine who wins at the end of a tie break rather than who posts first.

Bonus players will not be used for perfect hands calculation.

This discussion will be open till end of Roland Garros and will be followed up in each subsequent tournament from Stuttgart.

Thank you for participating!
 

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1. Whatever you wish
2. Fine
3. Fine
4. There should not be any advantage for seeded players. (Surely not 1 or 2)
 

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