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Discussion Starter #1 (Edited)
Three Hands

2013 will be Test Season for suggestions and changes!

Please read the rule post carefully as there are rule changes throughout the season.



2013 Test Season Tournaments

Australian Open - Drake1980 def. SAISAI-GOAT
Doha - OhNaNa def. goOudinUSA
Dubai - taloki def. Buitenzorg
Indian Wells
Miami
Charleston
Stuttgart
Madrid
Rome
Roland Garros
Wimbledon
Stanford
Carlsbad
Toronto
Cincinnati
US Open
Tokyo
Beijing
Istanbul​
 

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Re: Three Hands #4 - Indian Wells

Rules

Choose
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Each participant must choose

12 (3-4-5) different players for [128 Draw] or
 9 (2-3-4) different players for [ 64 Draw] or
 6 (1-2-3) different players for [ 32 Draw/RR]

participating in the tournament before main draw begins.

- The players must be arranged in the fashion where they are in 3 hands (groups).
- If you choose a qualifier before qualifying is finished, identify the draw spot.  Q1 = first Q on the draw
- You may not select LL as one of your players.
- You may not change your picks once you have posted.
- For tie break purposes, please list the number of games played for the final.
Hands
Code:
         128 draw   64 draw    32 draw/RR

Hand 1 = 3 players, 2 players, 1 player
Hand 2 = 4 players, 3 players, 2 players
Hand 3 = 5 players, 4 players, 3 players

- You may list back up players for each player in case there's a withdrawal.
Points Earned

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Each player chosen receives points according to the following chart based on round lost:

    Size  W   F   SF  QF  R16 R32 R64 R128

128 Draw  7   6   5   4   3   2   1   0
 64 Draw  6   5   4   3   2   1   0
 32 Draw  5   4   3   2   1   0

          W   F   SF  RR3 RR4

 RR       4   3   2   1   0

Total points earned = 3*(Hand 1) + 2*(Hand 2) -or- 0*(Hand 2) + 1*(Hand 3) -or- 0*(Hand 3)

- Chosen players who received BYE in the draw and lost in their first match will receive 0 points.
- Perfect Hands: Earn bonus points (x2).  Read below for more info.
- No perfect hands bonuses will be awarded for tournaments in RR format.
- 2*(Hand 2) if [Hand 2 > Hand 1]    , else 0*(Hand 2).
- 1*(Hand 3) if [Hand 3 > Hand 1 + 2], else 0*(Hand 3).
Tournament Tie Break

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In case there are participants who receive equal points:

- Points acquired in Hand 2 & Hand 3,                        if equal
- Points acquired in Hand 3,                                 if equal
- Points acquired in Hand 2,                                 if equal
- Correct final games guessed,                               if equal
- Closer final games guessed,                                if equal
- Greater of total rankings combined for the players chosen, if equal
- Whoever posted their hands first
 

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Re: Three Hands #4 - Indian Wells

To Play

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- Simply list your three hands clearly and identify your back ups before main draw begins.
- Back ups are not necessary if undesired.
- List a final tie break but are not necessary if undesired.

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We will use Brisbane 2013 as an example:

Hand 1
- Pavlyuchenkova (Errani)

Hand 2
- Kerber (Stosur)
- Kvitova (Vinci)

Hand 3
- Azarenka (Lisicki)
- Sharapova (Wozniacki)
- S.Williams (Stephens)

Final
- 20 games
Score
- A scoreboard will be updated by the manager

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How to score?

Hand 1
> 4
> 4 x 3 = 12, earns 12 points

Hand 2
> 2 + 1 = 3
> 3 < 4 so 3 x 0 = 0, earns 0 points

Hand 3
> Wozniacki replaces Sharapova
> 3 + 0 + 5 = 8
> 8 > 4 + 3, earns 8 points

Total Scored: 12 + 0 + 8 = 20 Points
Perfect Hands
- Perfect Hands may have multiple combinations.
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How to achieve perfect hands?

 32 draw = Pick Winner, Finalist, 2 Semifinalists and 2 of the 4 Quarter-finalists
 64 draw = Pick Winner, Finalist, 2 Semifinalists, 4 Quarter-finalists and any 1 Round 16 achiever
128 draw = Pick Winner, Finalist, 2 Semifinalists, 4 Quarter-finalists and any 4 Round 16 achievers
 

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Re: Three Hands #4 - Indian Wells

Ranking Points

Ranking Rule
- Points earned in each tournament (subject to tournament bonuses) will be added to your ranking
- Max 16 tournaments will count, no mandatory tournaments

Tournament Bonuses

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Tournament   WIN  RUP   3-4  5-8  9-16

Grand Slam  x16  x12.8 x9.6 x6.4 x3.2
Premier M.  x8   x6.4  x4.8 x3.2 x1.6
Premier 5   x6   x4.8  x3.6 x2.4 x1.2
Premier     x4   x3.2  x2.4 x1.6
Int.        x2   x1.6  x1.2
- Participants ranked 1-8 will be able to play YEC, with 2 alts
- 8 Participants not in YEC who have won an Int. this year will be able to play TOC, with 2 alts

Code:
Tournament   WIN  RUP   3rd   4th   5th  6th  7th  8th

YEC         x25  x22.5 x20   x17.5 x15  x12.5 x10  x7.5
TOC         x10  x9    x8    x7    x6   x5    x4   x3
Ranking Tie Break

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In case there are participants who receive equal points:

- Lesser total number of tournaments participated, if equal
- Points earned in Grand Slams,                    if equal
- Points earned in Premier Mandatories,            if equal
- Points earned in Premier 5,                      if equal
- Points earned in Premiers,                       if equal
- Points earned in Internationals,                 if equal
- Stay tied
* Note that 2013 Australian Open and Doha will earn less ranking points due to less players picked.
 

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Re: Three Hands #4 - Indian Wells

Ranking Points after Dubai:

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Rank	P Rank	Participants	Points		AO	Doha	Dubai
							
1	1	Drake1980	1264.8		1152	64.8	48
2	2	OhNaNa  	1041.6		220.8	744	76.8
3	3	SAISAI-GOAT	921.6		921.6		
4	6	Buitenzorg	779.2		224	446.4	108.8
5	4	tina110 	745.6		681.6	53	11
6	5	Cheda 16.17	681.6		681.6		
7	7	goOudinUSA	667.2		60	595.2	12
8	8	luvwilliams	538.2		454.4	70.8	13
9	8	valac222	529.2		454.4	70.8	4
10	11	feifei  	523.4		454.4	53	16
11	14	taloki  	512.8		214.4	146.4	152
12	10	anthonyqld	512.4		66	446.4	
13	12	traddles	454.4		454.4		
14	15	Chilenaitor	407.6		62	297.6	48
15	13	Heinann 	396.8		224	144	28.8
16	17	Igorche 	323.6		224	66	33.6
17	16	Kylger  	309.8		224	70.8	15
18	18	Reephoria.	285.2		214.4	70.8	
19	19	supertec	224		224		
20	21	Barktra 	220.6		67	72	81.6
21	20	JustPetko	220.4		60	146.4	14
22	22	Meelis  	137		61	72	4
23	23	coolfish1103	136		66	53	17
24	24	Monzanator	121		53	52	16
25	25	lolada_4	80		60	20	
26	26	champion88	71		67		4
27	26	Hidalgo 	67		67		
28	28	charmedRic	66		66		
29	29	plokploky	64		64		
30	32	DiRenan 	64		60		4
31	30	HateBlackouts02	63		63		
31	30	come on lena	63		63		
33	33	rbfilipe	56		56		
34	34	lizzard11120	48		48		
35	35	JustWonderful	42		42
* Note that 2013 Australian Open and Doha will earn less ranking points due to less players picked.
 

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Re: Three Hands #4 - Indian Wells

Final Scoreboard:

For detail Round-by-Round Scoring please visit the Pick post.

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Rk Participants   Pts

01 tina110        76
02 valac222       74
03 Monzanator     69 TB: Hands 2&3 34+23=57
04 OhNaNa         69 TB: Hands 2&3 26+21=47
05 coolfish1103   68
06 Buitenzorg     66
07 champion88     63
08 Meelis         61 TB: Hands 2&3 32+20=52
09 taloki         61 TB: Hands 2&3 34+ 0=34
10 Barktra        57
11 Chilenaitor    56 TB: Hands 2&3 38+ 0=38
12 Igorche        56 TB: Hands 2&3 32+ 0=32 & Final |16-20|=4
13 Kylger         56 TB: Hands 2&3 32+ 0=32 & Final |16-21|=5
14 feifei         55
15 goOudinUSA     49 TB: Hands 2&3 16+21=37
16 Drake1980      49 TB: Hands 2&3 34+ 0
 

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Re: Three Hands #4 - Indian Wells

Picks

Please make sure your picks and scores are correct.

Round-by-Round Scoring is within the picks. Hands in RED means final points.

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[B]champion88     01015[/B] TB:

Hand 1
- Errani
- Kirilenko
- Cibulkova
> 4+5+2 = 11(3) = 33
Hand 2
- Ivanovic
- Bartoli
- Wozniacki
- Stosur
> 2+3+6+4 = 15>11 so 15(2) = 30
Hand 3
- Azarenka
- Sharapova
- A.Radwanska
- Kvitova
- Kerber
> 4+7+3+4+5 = 23<26 so 23(0) = 0
>> 33+30+0 = 63

[B]tina110        02016[/B] TB: 19

Hand 1
- Azarenka
- Sharapova
- A.Radwanska
> 4+7+3 = 14(3) = 42
Hand 2
- Kerber
- Kirilenko
- Stosur
- Petrova
> 5+5+4+3 = 17>13 so 17(2) = 34
Hand 3
- Kvitova
- Cibulkova
- Safarova
- Errani
- Wozniacki
> 4+2+0+4+6 = 16<30 so 15(0) = 0
>> 42+34+0 = 76

[B]Igorche        02018[/B] TB: 20

Hand 1
- Bartoli
- Kirilenko
- Stephens
> 3+5+0 = 8(3) = 24
Hand 2
- Wozniacki
- Stosur
- Errani
- Ivanovic
> 6+4+4+2 = 16>8 so 16(2) = 32
Hand 3
- Azarenka
- Sharapova
- A.Radwanska
- Kvitova
- Kerber
> 4+7+3+4+5 = 23<24 so 23(0) = 0
>> 24+32+0 = 56

[B]Kylger         02020[/B] TB: 21

Hand 1
- Wozniacki
- Safarova
- Cibulkova
> 6+0+2 = 8(3) = 24
Hand 2
- Kvitova
- Petrova
- Kerber
- Stosur
> 4+3+5+4 = 16>8 so 16(2) = 32
Hand 3
- Azarenka
- Sharapova
- A.Radwanska
- Kirilenko
- Stephens
> 4+7+3+5+0 = 19<24 so 19(0) = 0
>> 24+32+0 = 56

[B]Buitenzorg     02021[/B] TB: 20

Hand 1
- Kuznetsova
- Makarova
- Vinci
> 2+0+2 = 4(3) = 12
Hand 2
- Wozniacki
- Bartoli
- Barthel
- Errani
> 6+3+3+4 = 16>4 so 16(2) = 32
Hand 3
- A.Radwanska
- Stosur
- Kvitova
- Sharapova
- Azarenka
> 3+4+4+7+4 = 22>20 so 22(1) = 22
>> 12+32+22 = 66

[B]OhNaNa         02023[/B] TB: 18

Hand 1
- Vinci
- Kirilenko
- Stephens
> 2+5+0 = 7(3) = 21
Hand 2
- Barthel
- Wozniacki
- Wickmayer
- Kuznetsova
> 3+6+2+2 = 13>7 so 13(2) = 26
Hand 3
- Kvitova
- A.Radwanska
- Sharapova
- Stosur
- Azarenka
> 4+3+7+4+4 = 22>20 so 22(1) = 22
>> 21+26+21 = 69

[B]Chilenaitor    02024[/B] TB: 18

Hand 1
- Kvitova
- Cibulkova
- Safarova
> 4+2+0 = 6(3) = 18
Hand 2
- Kerber
- Kirilenko
- Errani
- Wozniacki
> 4+5+4+6 = 19>6 so 19(2) = 38
Hand 3
- Azarenka
- A.Radwanska
- Sharapova
- Stosur
- Stephens
> 4+3+7+4+0 = 18<25 so 18(0) = 0
>> 18+38+0 = 56

[B]Meelis          02026[/B] TB: 19

Hand 1
- Barthel
- Robson
- Stephens
> 3+0+0 = 3(3) = 9
Hand 2
- Petrova
- Wozniacki
- Errani
- Bartoli
> 3+6+4+3 = 16>3 so 16(2) = 32
Hand 3
- Azarenka
- A.Radwanska
- Sharapova
- Ivanovic
- Kvitova
> 4+3+7+2+4 = 20>19 so 20(1) = 20
>> 9+32+20 = 61

[B]goOudinUSA     02027[/B] TB: 23

Hand 1
- Flipkens
- Vesnina
- Shvedova
> 2+2+0 = 4(3) = 12
Hand 2
- Hsieh
- Lepchenko
- Goerges
- Wozniacki
> 0+0+2+6 = 8>4 so 8(2) = 16
Hand 3
- Ivanovic
- Stosur
- Kvitova
- Sharapova
- Azarenka
> 2+4+4+7+4 = 21>12 so 21(1) = 21
>> 12+16+21 = 49

[B]coolfish1103   02028[/B] TB: 22

Hand 1
- Azarenka
- Petrova
- Barthel
> 4+3+3 = 10(3) = 30
Hand 2
- Sharapova
- Errani
- Wozniacki
- Kuznetsova
> 7+4+6+2 = 19>10 so 19(2) = 38
Hand 3
- Kvitova
- A.Radwanska
- Stosur
- Makarova
- Kirilenko
> 4+3+4+0+5 = 16<29 so 16(0) = 0
>> 30+38+0 = 68

[B]Barktra        02029[/B] TB: 22

Hand 1
- Barthel
- Robson
- Stephens
> 3+0+0 = 3(3) = 9
Hand 2
- Petrova
- Ivanovic
- Errani
- Bartoli
> 3+2+4+3 = 12>3 so 12(2) = 24
Hand 3
- Azarenka
- A.Radwanska
- Sharapova
- Wozniacki
- Kvitova
> 4+3+7+6+4 = 24>15 so 24(1) = 24
>> 9+24+24 = 57

[B]feifei         02030[/B] TB: 19

Hand 1
- Cibulkova
- Petrova
- Stosur
> 2+3+4 = 9(3) = 27
Hand 2
- Wozniacki
- Ivanovic
- Errani
- Kuznetsova
> 6+2+4+2 = 14>9 so 14(2) = 28
Hand 3
- Azarenka
- Kerber
- Kvitova
- A.Radwanska
- Sharapova
> 4+5+4+3+7 = 23=23 so 23(0) = 0
>> 27+28+0 = 55

[B]Drake1980      03031[/B] TB: 

Hand 1
- Bartoli
- Vinci
- Stephens
> 3+2+0 = 5(3) = 15
Hand 2
- Wozniacki
- Kerber
- Errani
- Ivanovic
> 6+5+4+2 = 17>5 so 17(2) = 34
Hand 3
- Azarenka
- Sharapova
- A.Radwanska
- Kvitova
- Stosur
> 4+7+3+4+4 = 22=22 so 22(0) = 0
>> 15+34+0 = 49

[B]valac222       03032[/B] TB: 27

Hand 1
- Bartoli
- Keys
- U.Radwanska
> 3+1+3 = 7(3) = 21
Hand 2
- Errani
- Kuznetsova
- Kvitova
- Stosur
> 4+2+4+4 = 14>7 so 14(2) = 28
Hand 3
- Azarenka
- Sharapova
- A.Radwanska
- Wozniacki
- Kerber
> 4+7+3+6+5 = 25>21 so 25(1) = 25
>> 21+28+25 = 74

[B]taloki         03035[/B] TB: 19

Hand 1
- Kvitova
- Azarenka
- Barthel
> 4+4+3 = 11(3) = 33
Hand 2
- Sharapova
- Errani
- Wozniacki
- Jankovic
> 7+4+6+0 = 17>11 so 17(2) = 34
Hand 3
- Vinci
- A.Radwanska
- Kirilenko
- Makarova
- Stosur
> 2+3+5+0+4 = 14<27 so 14(0) = 0
>> 27+34+0 = 61

[B]Monzanator     03038[/B] TB: 29

Hand 1
- Ivanovic
- Stephens
- Goerges
> 2+0+2 = 4(3) = 12
Hand 2
- Stosur
- Wozniacki
- Errani
- Barthel
> 4+6+4+3 = 17>4 so 17(2) = 34
Hand 3
- Azarenka
- Kvitova
- Sharapova
- Kerber
- A.Radwanska
> 4+4+7+5+3 = 23>21 so 23(1) = 23
>> 12+34+23 = 69
 

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Re: Three Hands #4 - Indian Wells

Main Draw

Victoria Azarenka [1] - Bye
Daniela Hantuchova - Stefanie Foretz Gacon
Monica Niculescu - Elina Svitolina
Kirsten Flipkens [28] - Bye

Su-Wei Hsieh [20] - Bye
Bethanie Mattek-Sands - Jamie Hampton
Urszula Radwanska - Arantxa Rus
Sloane Stephens [15] - Bye

Nadia Petrova [10] - Bye
Petra Martic - Stefanie Voegele
Laura Robson - Sofia Arvidsson
Julia Goerges [21] - Bye

Elena Vesnina [29] - Bye
Kimiko Date-Krumm - Galina Voskoboeva
Alize Cornet - Monica Puig
Caroline Wozniacki [8] - Bye

Angelique Kerber [4] - Bye
Irina-Camelia Begu - Heather Watson
Pauline Parmentier - Mirjana Lucic-Baroni
Yanina Wickmayer [30] - Bye

Ekaterina Makarova [17] - Bye
Bojana Jovanovski - Garbine Muguruza
Romina Oprandi - Magdalena Rybarikova
Lucie Safarova [16] - Bye

Ana Ivanovic [11] - Bye
Lucie Hradecka - Taylor Townsend [WC]
Annika Beck - Kiki Bertens
Mona Barthel [24] - Bye

Shuai Peng [32] - Bye
Alexandra Dulgheru - Michelle Larcher De Brito
Melanie Oudin - Madison Keys [WC]
Samantha Stosur [7] - Bye

--

Petra Kvitova [5] - Bye
Mandy Minella - Olga Govortsova
Ayumi Morita - Lesia Tsurenko
Yaroslava Shvedova [31] - Bye

Klara Zakopalova [19] - Bye
Marina Erakovic - Shahar Peer [WC]
Simona Halep - Lauren Davis
Dominika Cibulkova [12] - Bye

Maria Kirilenko [13] - Bye
Tsvetana Pironkova - Christina Mchale
Jill Craybas [WC] - Mallory Burdette
Tamira Paszek [23] - Bye

Sorana Cirstea [27] - Bye
Anabel Medina Garrigues - Casey Dellacqua
Maria Sanchez [WC] - Olga Puchkova
Agnieszka Radwanska [3] - Bye

Sara Errani [6] - Bye
Lourdes Dominguez Lino - Grace Min
Johanna Larsson - Timea Babos
Anastasia Pavlyuchenkova [26] - Bye

Jelena Jankovic [18] - Bye
Svetlana Kuznetsova - Andrea Hlavackova
Chanelle Scheepers - Kristina Mladenovic [WC]
Marion Bartoli [9] - Bye

Roberta Vinci [14] - Bye
Jie Zheng - Ksenia Pervak
Lara Arruabarrena-Vecino - Sesil Karatantcheva
Varvara Lepchenko [22] - Bye

Carla Suarez Navarro [25] - Bye
Vania King - Silvia Soler-Espinosa
Flavia Pennetta - Francesca Schiavone
Maria Sharapova [2] - Bye
 

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Re: Three Hands #4 - Indian Wells

Reserved for something random.

Please re-read the rules as there are some major overhauls.

To name the important ones:

1. Bonus points for Hand 3 has been moved to Hand 1.
2. You pick more players if the draw is larger.
3. Final game prediction implemented for tie-break purpose (while removing the old tie-break rules).
 

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Re: Three Hands #4 - Indian Wells [Read for Rule Changes]

In!

Waiting for the draw now :)
 

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Re: Three Hands #4 - Indian Wells [Main Draw Posted]

Hand 1 - Errani, Kirilenko, Cibulkova
Hand 2 - Ivanovic, Bartoli, Wozniacki, Stosur
Hand 3 - Azarenka, Sharapova, Radwanska, Kvitova, Kerber
 

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Re: Three Hands #4 - Indian Wells [Main Draw Posted]

Hand 1
- Azarenka
- Sharapova
- A. Radwanska

Hand 2
- Kerber
- Kirilenko
- Stosur
- Petrova

Hand 3
- Kvitova
- Cibulkova
- Safarova
- Errani
- Wozniacki

Final Tie-Break
- 19 games

Back Ups
Niculesu for Azarenka
Kuznetsova for Sharapova
Cirstea for A.Radwanska
Vesnina for Kerber
Wickmayer for Kirilenko
Ivanovic for Stosur
Peng for Petrova
Shvedova for Kvitova
Zakopalova for Cibulkova
Pavlyuchenkova for Safarova
Vinci for Errani
Robson for Wozniacki
 

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Re: Three Hands #4 - Indian Wells [Main Draw Posted]

Please remember to specify the sisters if they are both in the draw, aka: A.Radwanska and U.Radwanska.

Also, if you are lazy you can just give me an order of alts. I'll just place them in the order you listed relative to the time the player withdrew. Good luck to all!
 

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Re: Three Hands #4 - Indian Wells [Main Draw Posted]

Hand 1:
Bartoli
Kirilenko
Stephens

Hand 2:
Wozniacki
Stosur
Errani
Ivanović

Hand 3:
Azarenka
Sharapova
A.Radwanska
Kvitova
Kerber

Final: 20 games

Back-Ups:

Mattek-Sands
Cibulkova
Makarova
Vinci
 

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Re: Three Hands #4 - Indian Wells [Main Draw Posted]

Hand 1: Wozniacki (QF), Safarova (QF), Cibulkova (R4)

Hand 2: Kvitova (QF),Petrova (R4), Kerber (R4), Stosur (SF), Vinci (R4)

Hand 3: Azarenka (W), Sharapova (F), A.Radwanska (SF), Kirilenko (R4), Stephens (R4)


Final Tie-Break 21 games


Back ups

Jelena Jankovic
Ana Ivanovic
Sara Errani
 
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