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It really is unfortunate what's happened the last 4-5 years or so. The winners have been quite random and unpredictable, although I think that's merely a symptom of other problems. Here are the things I've noticed in the past few editions:

-increasing number of injuries and retirements
-decreasing number of high quality matches
-players seem less motivated to do well
-surface seems to be slowing down too much
-players overexerting themselves to make the final few spots
-Serena not giving a crap about the tournament :lol:

It just seems like everything keeps slowly getting worse year after year, and they're not doing anything to fix it. Some of these issues are probably due to the grind of the tour rather than the YEC itself, but they need to do something to make sure players are better rested for the final tournament of the season.

The unpredictable champions can possibly be attributed to the current state of WTA, where anyone can scalp almost anyone else. Although it seems like injuries contribute a lot to this too. Like others are saying, the YEC has almost become this sort of "Survivor" tournament, where those who make it past round robin are simply the players who are the least injured/tired from the season.

As for the surface...I have no problems with slow courts per se, but maybe there are better options for the last tournament of the season? Hearing how the current court is "like sandpaper", and then watching Andreescu take a bad step yesterday and ruin her knee leaves a really bad impression. Why use a court that increases the strain on joints after everyone is already vulnerable from a long season? It just seems counter intuitive.
 

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Do the player care ?

No one to make a statement. Nobody seems worried.
Why would the players have to make a statement when they get paid $220,000 to show up for one match?

It's the fans, media and analysts that have to call out the WTA management for what it is.
 

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Re: The WTA Finals have become an absolute joke and nobody is doing anything about it

Seriously.

The tennis world is completely indifferent to this ongoing mess. Is there any international press in Shenzhen? Half the questions seem to be asked by WTA Insider.

What a sad situation. It doesn't help that the WTA now prides itself in having so many "introverts". The same introverts that don't think women should have equal prize money (Halep) or don't like the big stages and would rather play in front of 10 people rather than a full stadium (Bertens). Osaka brings something different but she's too inconsistent to be counted on.

The thing is that the players show a careless attitude quite often. Why should we care if they don't even care?
 

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Why would the players have to make a statement when they get paid $220,000 to show up for one match?

It's the fans, media and analysts that have to call out the WTA management for what it is.
I guess it's not fun for them to be injured all the time.
 

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Re: The WTA Finals have become an absolute joke and nobody is doing anything about it

Seriously.

The tennis world is completely indifferent to this ongoing mess. Is there any international press in Shenzhen? Half the questions seem to be asked by WTA Insider.
There's more press at regular European and North American tour events than at the WTA Finals, which is really alarming.

This is why I will never understand those who keep saying that moving the WTA Finals to Asia was a good idea.

By the time we get to 2028, this tournament will probably be dead.
 

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WTA is different than ATP. Serena was in 4 of the last 6 slam finals and hasnt won any title in 3 years. Its been like this for a while. Puig wins the Olympics. Vesniina wins IW
There is a thread here about all the new semifinalists at majors. Its almost every major there is a new face in the final 4
This is a strange YEC with Osaka and Andreescu being injured. They just played in Beijing, both with long winning streaks then
 

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Do we all agree now that the WTA Finals have completely lost their importance? They have become a soulless event, the only thing players seem to care about is to show up for some extra cash in a few matches and then go on vacation.

Shenzhen is proving to be a shit-show. Empty stands, horrible surface, level of play way below par for the top 8 players, injuries left and right. It couldn't get any worse.
:no::no::no: completely disagree.

We saw some brilliant matches and the level is just fine for the top 8.
 

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WTA is different than ATP. Serena was in 4 of the last 6 slam finals and hasnt won any title in 3 years. Its been like this for a while. Puig wins the Olympics. Vesniina wins IW
There is a thread here about all the new semifinalists at majors. Its almost every major there is a new face in the final 4
This is a strange YEC with Osaka and Andreescu being injured. They just played in Beijing, both with long winning streaks then
Osaka played at the US Open with a busted knee. She seemed fine in her first match in Shenzhen. If this was a Grand Slam, she wouldn't have pulled out. But since she could give two shits about Shenzhen, she decided to quit.
 

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Maybe. But they've made the money and points so huge, if anyone pulls out, its a great opportunity for someone else
They had all 4 slam winners and some very good players in this round robin. Tremendous incentive unless you're worth a hundred million
They still have good players in this draw. Barty, Bencic, Svitolina and the winner of Halep/Pliskova, are all really good players who can beat anyone
 

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Re: The WTA Finals have become an absolute joke and nobody is doing anything about it

Seriously.

The tennis world is completely indifferent to this ongoing mess. Is there any international press in Shenzhen? Half the questions seem to be asked by WTA Insider.

What a sad situation. It doesn't help that the WTA now prides itself in having so many "introverts". The same introverts that don't think women should have equal prize money (Halep) or don't like the big stages and would rather play in front of 10 people rather than a full stadium (Bertens). Osaka brings something different but she's too inconsistent to be counted on.

The thing is that the players show a careless attitude quite often. Why should we care if they don't even care?


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They still have good players in this draw. Barty, Bencic, Svitolina and the winner of Halep/Pliskova, are all really good players who can beat anyone
LOL It's hard not to have good players left in this draw when the original field was exclusively composed of the top 8 players.
 

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Re: The WTA Finals have become an absolute joke and nobody is doing anything about it

Seriously.

The tennis world is completely indifferent to this ongoing mess. Is there any international press in Shenzhen? Half the questions seem to be asked by WTA Insider.

What a sad situation. It doesn't help that the WTA now prides itself in having so many "introverts". The same introverts that don't think women should have equal prize money (Halep) or don't like the big stages and would rather play in front of 10 people rather than a full stadium (Bertens). Osaka brings something different but she's too inconsistent to be counted on.

The thing is that the players show a careless attitude quite often. Why should we care if they don't even care?
LMAO

Shades aside, no one should be surprised that the YEC has become volatile. This is directly related to how the regular tour itself has become less consistent at the top. And how there are no more steady rivalries — everyone is meeting everyone only once or twice a year. And while one player is peaking the other one is licking her wounds from overplaying, and yet another one is just plain slumping, while someone else is in depression... and so on and so forth. If all these players are like that, going up and down throughout all year — then it is no surprise that the trend continues in the last event of the year.
 

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tennis/2019/11/01/landmark-prize-money-moment-danger-overshadowed-events-court/

Landmark prize-money moment in danger of being overshadowed by events on and off court at WTA Finals

Molly McElwee

1 NOVEMBER 2019

If the Women’s Tennis Association had had its way, its last tournament of the year would have had one headline dominating: the record-breaking prize money. But instead, competing narratives on the misguided choice of staging the tour’s grand finale in Shenzhen, China, and injury-plagued action have taken a starring role.

Eye-popping sums are up for grabs at the*WTA Finals,*where the top eight singles players are battling it out this week. A potential $4.7million is on the line for the champion if she finishes the round-robin event undefeated. Elina Svitolina remains the only player still on track for the maximum outcome should she win her semi-final today. But even if the eventual victor accumulates a couple of losses, the minimum jackpot will still make them $4.1million richer.​

That is more than the record of $3.8million that US Open champions Bianca Andreescu and Rafael Nadal each won in September, and the maximum $2.7 million the men’s ATP Finals winner could make in London later this month.​

It is a landmark moment for the women’s tour, which has a history rooted in the equal pay fight led by Billie Jean King nearly 50 years ago. But despite the WTA’s best efforts to guide the narrative towards its mind-blowing $14million purse, two other central plot lines have emerged.​

The first was the new venue for the culmination of the season: Shenzhen. Months of volatile anti-government protests in Hong Kong have shone a light on China’s poor democratic record, and sport’s part has come under the microscope over the past few weeks.​

The NBA most recently struggled to bat away controversy after its failure to keep up its appearance as a progressive organisation by initially distancing itself from a tweet posted by the Houston Rockets’ general manager which supported the Hong Kong protests. The billions of dollars the Chinese market offers at stake, the league momentarily removed its free-speech-loving mask to reveal that money does talk. As a bordering Chinese city with Hong Kong, Shenzhen is probably the worst place possible to stage the WTA’s event of the year. Though a protest backdrop could not have been wholly foreseen, it is also the risk the WTA runs in getting into bed with China, choosing it as its centre for rapid growth, with nine tournaments now held in the country – more than the United States.​

Alongside the moral questions circling the women’s tour, the action on the court has not been much to shout about either. After an exciting first couple of days of thrilling three-setters, the tennis has fizzled out as three players pulled out through injury in as many days.​

The heavy annual scheduling tennis pros compete with caught up with two of the top draw players, as Naomi Osaka and Andreescu retired with shoulder and knee injuries respectively. Meanwhile, Osaka’s replacement, Kiki Bertens, also pulled out with illness during her group stage match with Belinda Bencic.​

After an arguably stellar year for women’s tennis, where tour favourites Simona Halep and Ashleigh Barty won majors, the Serena Williams near-miss storyline raged on, and teenage talents emerged in US Open champion Andreescu and worldwide phenomenon Coco Gauff, the season has fallen flat in its last week. The shame in it all is that it should have been a huge celebration of the leaps and bounds made since King and her contemporaries were told to be thankful for the crumbs they were being paid in comparison to the men. But this week has proven a well-cited but often forgotten truth: *that money is not everything.
 

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They only retire when they are losing though. They should be force to give the money back.

Good article still.
 

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The WTA CEO always does a “ state of the WTA” press conference during the YEC but nothing so far this year .


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Plain and simply put.....the YEC needs to be in a city with economic value and tennis history.

Los Angeles, New York, London, Paris, Tokyo........having it any where in China or the middle east, is a pure cash grab that does nothing for it's value, interest or appeal.
 

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The Player of the Year is playing the defending champion. Thats a logical final, in a competitive field.
Svitolina was in the last 2 slam semis amd Barty won 3 slams ago. And they both are relatively young, 25 and 23
As for global media coverage, I'm not sure what they can do, but I would make the same financial decision and be glad its offered
 

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The massively over-inflated prize fund in a weird way does make it more of a joke. Of course the likes of Svitolina won't care where the money has come from, and nor should they, and they will be delighted with the windfall, but for the likes of Svitolina and Bencic (both who I like) to be playing this sort of match for an extra million just seems weird.

It's not that the product deserves this type of money either, it's basically a political statement, an 'ooh a look at us' type situation, and it does kind of dilute the rest of the tour - you get some good match ups at intl level - Azarenka vs Kerber/Muguruza in Monterrey, Yastremska vs Sabalenka/Garcia in Strasbourg, Bencic vs Kerber/Kenin in Mallorca, Bertens vs Riske in Holland, Garcia vs Vekic in Nottingham etc. - every player in and around the top 20, or have been top 20 at some point, yet they're playing for $43k, which probably is too low, but a lot more realistic than this - to think Barty and Svitolina will be playing for $2m more in their final than the likes of Novak, Fed, Medvedev etc. in their final in a couple of weeks is completely absurd, and the winners prize fund absolutely shouldn't be more than that of a slam.

A more organic, gradual approach would have been a lot better, and this certainly doesn't come across as the revolution that the WTA are trying to portray, and not one which the current product and landscape demanded.

It sounds strange, but in a perverse sort of way, I'm actually quite content that the event has been a bit of a disaster, what with the terrible crowds from Mon-Thur, the lack of global media on site, negative news articles, the awful court, and that half of the field has wilted as the tournament has progressed.
 
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