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Is it just me?

But I really feel that the WTA tour is undergoing a mini-crisis right now. Basically, the really good players (venus and serena) are not committed enough and the really committed players are just not good enough.

Dont get me wrong, because I think Kim and Justine and all the rest of the top ten play well, but they are not quite in the league of venus and serena yet (though they may in time to come)

And then of course, on top of these, players nowadays are starting to lack in personality. Some one who is really good, is committed and HAS personality is really hard to come by nowadays.

And this is why the WTA tour is failing...
 

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LOL this is too funny. Kim hasn't played in a month, and because of Justine not winning every tournament she plays in, the WTA tour is failing. LMAO.
 

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And this is why the WTA tour is failing...
What measure are you using to establish 'failure'? I would say rather that the WTA is succeeding despite being possibly the most mis-managed professional sport in the world. The very best players are as good or better than any other players in history. (Not their CAREERS, their performance level.) Players 11-20 are ridiculously better than players 11-20 even ten years ago. Tournaments that are even marginally well run do well in attendance. And the tour has failed to exploit regional cable, meaning they have an entirely new, near totally unexploited revenue stream.

WHAT 'failure'?
 
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I disagree. While the number of people gaining interest in tennis is increasing, we must note that we may be able to attribute this in general to societal advancement.

Tennis isnt reaching out anymore because the interest level has really dipped...
 
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tennis seems indeed a little dead right now even serena seems to feel that way. well I got that idea in her last two tournaments. that was not the 2002 serena!
 
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tennis seems indeed a little dead right now even serena seems to feel that way. well I got that idea in her last two tournaments. that was not the 2002 serena!
This statement doesn't suprise me. The dutch female players are not really the best.
 

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what has that to do with it?
 

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oh you think I dislike Belgians and that's the reason I say what I say?

nope I like kim a lot and I want her to win the french with all my heart!
 

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I disagree. While the number of people gaining interest in tennis is increasing, we must note that we may be able to attribute this in general to societal advancement.
Ya tryin ta piss off selesrules? It's all due to Anna!!!!!!!! :p
 

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lol no!!!

i dont think this is a belgians issue at all and i'm shocked at all those who think so! kim and justine are my favorite active players right now!
In fact, it is not an issue directed at any player in particular! It is just a comment on the WTA

irma really summed it up for me.
It seemed as though the tour isnt so fiercely competitive anymore
and the players lack that "fire" to compete
 

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My Serena will be back to shoot some fire in the tours bellys in another week :bounce: ;)
Lets hope so :D
 

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I like Kim and Justine, especially Kim. But in my mind there is no question right now that the tour has lost steam. It just isn't generating the kind of "heat" it did a couple of years ago and the TV ratings in the US are proving it. So is the loss of a title sponsor and the upheavals in the WTA front office.

Part of this is because the media has become dominated by the 15 minutes worth of fame mentality. The media now follows a herd instinct. Whatever is "hot" gets saturation coverage these days and anything else gets whatever attention the media has left over.

But a big part of the problem, in my opinion, is the departure from the sport of Martina, the most colorful player on the tour, and the complete decline of Kournikova, the most glamourous player on the tour. And that, of course, eliminated "The Spice Girls," the most colorful, glamourous act tennis had. They could fill up a stadium on their own.

For now, the romance of women's tennis is gone. Its all about power and women's tennis needs more than power, because physical power is assocated in most people's minds with men. Women's sports need sex appeal.
 

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I agree. I've been following tennis (both women and men) for longer than than some of you have lived. And yes, the tour is in a down period. That could be attributed to several factors and the ones listed by TonyP and easy are very important. How can fans be passionate about their sport if the tour's teo best players are not? Serena still beats everyone else regularly and when she plays, there is fire in her game, but her focus is shifting from tennis to more glamorous stints like movies and modelling. Even she admitted that herself. Venus seems to be going through the motions and brings an impression that she'd rather be anywhere else but on the tennis court. And no matter how good Kim and Justine are, they don't have the necessary ingredient to be bona fide superstars: engaging personalities. There is simply no drama, no exciting rivalries in tennis these days. Even Richard Williams has been quiet as he doesn't really have anything to say.
Let's not forget that the US and world economies have been struggling for the last couple of years, add to that 9/11, the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and it is not difficult to see that the casual fan does not have the same interest in tennis as he did when the tour was a more exciting place both on and off the court.
 

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Lelu:

Some excellent points on your part! To add to the list is the fact that in the US, tennis has never reached the heights it attained in the 1970s and early 80s.

For awhile, it was thought the lack of US domination was the problem and I am not convinced that the WTA didn't do its best to help the US players get back on top.

But even complete US domination for a time of the men's tour didn't restore tennis to its past glory.

There are a lot of complex sociological factors at work on success and failure in today's world. There are also a lot of complex "market forces" at work in our society.

But in the age of reality television and instant celebrity, often for people of pretty questionable talent, tennis finds itself in many ways unable to compete. The irony is, golf, a sport that is in many ways less accessible to the common man because of the outrageous costs, none the less moved into the stratisphere in the 90s. But that was largely because one man captured the attention of the press and thus the public.

Despite a huge press build up for the Williams sisters, the numbers just don't match, maybe because the Williams sisters seem like a mismatch compared to most people.

And with Hingis gone, there is simply no one who seems capable of really challenging Serena. Venus may be a whole other story, though.
 

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I think the tour is in the best state it has been since 2001, I mean, we have two dominant figures, yet they are now being contested! Its excellent, we know V and Rena are the better players, yet there is a chance they could now loose against certain players.

Also the top 15 is now gridlocked and harder to get into then the tate gallery. I think the fact that we have people like Dokic and Hantuchova who play week in week out is great as they are popular and people watch them play.

I also think that its fantastic that there is now so much depth that people like Elena, Maggie, Ai and Patty are winning tournaments.
 

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TonyP said:
They could fill up a stadium on their own.
With all due respect to the "Spice Girls" - who certainly were a draw, Serena and Venus just sold out an entire weekend of Fed Cup. In a matter of days. In friggin' Lowell.

And I think you're mixing up cause and effect when looking at the mess in the WTA's front office/lack of title sponsor and the alledged "loss of steam"

Current events certainly are making a dent in TV ratings - there are a lot of people who can't get their minds around watching people trade stokes on a court when CNN is showing people trading live fire 24/7. If you think Hingis or Kournikova could have changed that you are out of your minds.

To be certain, tennis is probably less engaging for a certain group of fans, just as it became less engaging for some people when Graf retired, and when Chrissy or Martina retired. But it's a mistake to project your own relative lack of interest on the tennis public as a whole.
 

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Lelu: And with Hingis gone, there is simply no one who seems capable of really challenging Serena. Venus may be a whole other story, though.
If that is not one of the most ridiculous statements I have read this year on this board, I can only compare to some "funny" thread Car Key Little Boi tries to come up with.

Lelu is correct, tennis is going through a slight down time because the top players are not consistently playing in the big events. But it's still an exciting sport to be watching right now so I would not be crying doomsday just yet.
 
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