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...to the author of this feature for the Larson newsletter (posted on the TennisOne site).<br /> <a href="http://tennisone.com/Larson/Larsonnews.home.htm" target="_blank">http://tennisone.com/Larson/Larsonnews.home.htm</A>

He (like many of us) criticized some of the award selections by the tennis media last year. But then he turns around and makes 2 major gaffes of his own.

Firstly, he gives the award for offcourt activities to Hingis. Someone should direct him to our thread about charitable activities. While Hingis's offcourt activites are very commendable, many other players do at least as much. And Hingis does only a fraction of what Rubin does. But, given the identity of the author, it's no surprise that Hingis got the award, and that Rubin didn't.

But if that wasn't bad enough, he suggests that Kelly Liggan should quit tennis and become a prostitute. (For those not familiar with Shakespearean English, a "nunnery" is a brothel. The infamous Shakespeare line "get thee to a nunnery" is a suggestion to a female character that she should become a prostitute.) There have been some mean things said here (and on our previous "home"), but nothing that nasty. Shame on him.
 

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thanx Brian for the link

some of those words are pretty cruel and uncalled for.
 

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Not to mention he names Iroda Tulyaganova for "Best Newcomer" even though she doesn't meet the criteria to even be considered for the award.

Whatever. <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">
 

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Player of the Year: No Award<br />That's right, we can't name one. Lindsay Davenport ended the year at #1 and led the Tour in titles, but she didn't reach a Slam final, didn't play a match on clay, and her best tournament win, in terms of prestige, was Filderstadt -- and even there, she advanced to the final when Martina Hingis had to retire. Jennifer Capriati won two Slams but only one other tournament, and didn't have a title after Roland Garros. Venus Williams was the most<br />effective player of the year when she played, but she didn't play enough and ended a distant #3 in the rankings. No one else deserves consideration. We can only hope someone steps up next year.<br /> <hr></blockquote>

I may be in the minority, but for some reason I wholly agree with this <img src="tongue.gif" border="0">
 

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Infiniti2001 -

No, you're not the only one who agrees with his "Player of the Year" award "winner." I wholeheartedly go with that one!

He could've been more tactful about the one about Corina's parents though.
 

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I think Hingis must get the award considering her dedication to charity.Coz being a full time player,she rarely gets some time off,and even if she gets a month off,she always spends it in South America or Asia,raising funds for downtroden kids,or polio patients.(Though it seems as though most donations are given by herself <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> )
 

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Well well well, this Larson guy does have a sharp tongue <img src="smile.gif" border="0">
 

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Brian while I agree with your post I hope you don't mind if I correct you on your Shakespearean English. A nunnery is not a brothel but basically a convent. Larson was referring to Kelly Liggan being Irish by suggesting she would be better of in one. In the context of the play the quote was from it was a convent that the target of the remark was being told to go to with the implication that she was an immoral woman who needed to seek sanctuary with nuns.
 

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I liked this category - Worst Women's Tennis Web Site

That had me cracking up!!
 

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Boo to Shakespeare! His "Comedies" are a thing of horror, only laughed at by pretentious Literature students...

The Simpsons is much better, much much much...better.

Much.

<br />Better.

As far as the WTA Awards are concerned, the WTA need to find someone who can be bothered to spend a few minutes looking at Results and tournie wins and Grandslam records across a season...

Give Brian the job I say! <img src="smile.gif" border="0">
 

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Chris Ba!?!?! - The Simpson's better than Shakespearean comedy!?!

'As You Like It', 'Much Ado About Nothing', 'All's Well That Ends Well'?

Okay, 'Taming of the Shrew' is a mysoginistic horror show, and 'A MidsummerNight's Dream' isn't much better. (Well it's a lot better, but it's still based on drugging women to get them into bed.) Shakepseare is funnier and better written than anything on TV today.

Now back when Bart was a mutant, and 'The Simpson's' was a comic strip (under another name), not a TV show ... okay, I'd have to conceed the point.
 

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Call me crazy, but I thought that the Pan Pacific and Zurich were Lindsay's biggest titles this year- not Filderstadt.

And, Clijsters and Henin still need to learn the big one? I don't even know what that means!?!? And how does that mean that they are ineligible from earning the most improved player award?

This guy is a tool.
 

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Volcana your funny <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

I love Shakespear and I liked "THE TAMING OF THE SHREW" <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> In my mind I always thought that Katherine never became tamed but he did. He was the shrew. lol Which reminds me .. I LOVED Kiss me KATE, the musical. <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

Also "GET THEE TO A NUNNERY, GO"! was if I am not mistaken was a quote from HAMLET. At least I think. He said that when Ophelia went MAD. I always envisioned my own little story concerning that too. Hamlet was the MAD one not Ophelia. She was pregnant by him and he didn't want the child.

Anyway, Venus deserved PLAYER OF THE YEAR HANDS DOWN! <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> <img src="graemlins/kiss.gif" border="0" alt="[Kiss]" />
 

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Quick point of clarification: Larson didn't write this. It was one of his employees.

As to the "nunnery" issue, when I was studying Shakespeare, I was taught that it was a popular misconception that "nunnery" meant "convent", because of the presence of the word "nun", but it actually was a word that referred to brothels in Shakespearean times.

But the bigger issue, which prompted the title of this thread, is the hypocrisy of the writer (RW). He blasted the tennis media (as did many of us) for making the "glamour" pick (Williams/Williams) for 2000 doubles team of the year instead of the more deserving choice (Halard/Sugiyama), which would have been obvious had they done any research at all. Then he turns around and makes the glamour pick (Hingis) for his offcourt activities award, rather than a much more deserving choice (Rubin). This is not to slight Hingis in any way, as she is to be commended for her activities. But so are many other players. If you're going to give an award, and fancy yourself a serious journalist, you should check out all of the possibilities, rather than just picking the one high-profile player who comes closest to meeting your criteria. Did he even check beyond the top 5?
 

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Dokic will not win most improved player of the year award.

Justine Henin should get it. <br /> Capriati doesn't win Player of the Year then she must have a big shot of most improved player.
 

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"The Simpsons is better than Shakespeare." <br />Ha, ha! Good one. And The Days Of Our Lives is better than Citizen Kane.

Just a matter of opinion, I know, but it's hard to understand how anyone over the age of 12 can say that, and then expect to be taken seriously.
 

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This is the only relevant passage I could find online:

"Words have often meant very different things to the people who spoke them in different centuries. For example, in Shakespeare's Hamlet, popularized again in the recent film version, the unhappy protagonist angrily tells his love, Ophelia, "Get thee to a nunnery". Some scholars have proposed that in the language of Shakespeare's time, a nunnery was actually street language for a brothel."

There was another reference to it elsewhere as well. So while "nunnery" may refer to a convent now, the article's author used the Shakespearean quote, which implies the Shakespearean context be used.
 

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The Simpsons has a depth, and sophistication which FAR exceeds Shakespeare...it is simply true.

I saw a performance of Twelfth Night, a 'comedy'...now correct me if Im wrong but the key aim of a comedy is to make you laugh?...I sat there unsmiling throughout, not ONE laugh, not a thing.

Compare this to The Simpsons which provides HUGE laughs, on EVERY level from highly intelligent sophisticated jokes, to stunning visual humour through to dumb belly laughs. Different class.

I have an A-Level in English Lit, and it also was a significant part of my degree, so Im not coming from a standpoint that automatically hates the area. I love the Bronte's, HG Wells, and stuff like Dracula or Frankenstein. But I loathe Shakespeare. Wildly over-rated.

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I agree that Shakespeare is overrated. I much prefer Marlowe & Webster as dramatists of that period. Marlowe provides a much more interesting vision of the world in Dr. Faustus, and Webster's use of language and imagery is absolutely gorgeous and far surpasses Shakespeare.

I don't _hate_ all Shakespeare. I rather like Much Ado, for example, but I find even his best plays uneven, inconsistent, and sometimes just plain incoherent.
 

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Hmmm, okay, I'll jump of my high horse and accept that there is SOME legitimacy to the argument that The Simpsons is better than Shakespeare.

It's a huge generalisation, and a little like comparing chalk and cheese, but I can't deny that The Simpsons is funnier.

Cheers.
 
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