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I just caught a few games of the Esurance Classique that was taped in October in Marin. It's a fundraiser hit-N-giggle that our very own much-maligned Miss Tracy Austin participated in. I've got to say Miss Brace Face was looking and hitting quite good. She's slim, trim and can still compete... well, at least with Conchita Martinez, who's about ten years her junior. She made ol' Conchita look like Rosie Casals on a few points. It was a shortened doubles set that was played with local college talent, but Tracy was having none of it. She was bouncin' and blowin' like a US Open was on the line and the Ice Maiden CE Lloyd was on the other side of the net. The cougar was out for blood!

She still looks stiff tho. Some things never change.
 

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I just caught a few games of the Esurance Classique that was taped in October in Marin. It's a fundraiser hit-N-giggle that our very own much-maligned Miss Tracy Austin participated in. I've got to say Miss Brace Face was looking and hitting quite good. She's slim, trim and can still compete... well, at least with Conchita Martinez, who's about ten years her junior. She made ol' Conchita look like Rosie Casals on a few points. It was a shortened doubles set that was played with local college talent, but Tracy was having none of it. She was bouncin' and blowin' like a US Open was on the line and the Ice Maiden CE Lloyd was on the other side of the net. The cougar was out for blood!

She still looks stiff tho. Some things never change.
Mark,:wavey:Good to hear that Austin can still good hitting a tennis ball. You know what though? I bet she would have beaten Martinez on most surfaces even as late as 1990. Not that Dennis will agree. Keep well smokey.:lol:
 

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Mark,:wavey:Good to hear that Austin can still good hitting a tennis ball. You know what though? I bet she would have beaten Martinez on most surfaces even as late as 1990. Not that Dennis will agree. Keep well smokey.:lol:
Iain....do they have TV in the land of Woulda Coulda Shoulda? You'll have to give me the match report of Tracy blitzing Conchi (on clay I'm sure!) Can't wait to get the details!

Because there's just not enough love for our much maligned Austin, I thought I'd mention Serena's book. Seems Serena took exception to Tracy stating Maria would wipe the court with Serena in the 2007 Australian Open final. Ms Williams was obviously not impressed with Tracy's TV commentating! (even if I am a fan of Tracy in the booth!)
 

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Iain....do they have TV in the land of Woulda Coulda Shoulda? You'll have to give me the match report of Tracy blitzing Conchi (on clay I'm sure!) Can't wait to get the details!

Because there's just not enough love for our much maligned Austin, I thought I'd mention Serena's book. Seems Serena took exception to Tracy stating Maria would wipe the court with Serena in the 2007 Australian Open final. Ms Williams was obviously not impressed with Tracy's TV commentating! (even if I am a fan of Tracy in the booth!)
We just about got television here in Scotland Dennis, dont know about woulda coulda shoulda land!!!;):lol:I cant believe that Austin really thought that before the Aussie Open final. I remember thinking that it would be closer than it was but I was pretty sure Serena would win. That, you have to concede. is an unusually bad call from Tracy. As you indicate her analysis is usually excellent.
 

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Rollo:wavey:I love the posts from Mark- one cool dude I reckon. After that post at Christmas he is my fave on here!!!!!:lol::lol:
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Iain shall have to do much more now than bow down and curtsy to get back in the good graces of nelslus ever again. :fiery:

(......even if that one you-ALL-know-which-one Mark43 post is indeed an instant classic.)
 

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Iain shall have to do much more now than bow down and curtsy to get back in the good graces of nelslus ever again. :fiery:

(......even if that one you-ALL-know-which-one Mark43 post is indeed an instant classic.)
Oh but Sir you know how much I like that face of yours and the wit- it was just Mark and his smoking effort really appealed to my sense of humour, sorry boss.:lol::kiss::hearts:
 

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Just read this on Lindsay Davenport's Twitter page - "Just found out Tracy Austin's mom passed away. So sad for her family."

I've read before a few times that Tracy's mother was quite a character. Some stories about protecting Tracy ferociously, even following her around the locker rooms! RIP :angel:
 

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Just read this on Lindsay Davenport's Twitter page - "Just found out Tracy Austin's mom passed away. So sad for her family."

I've read before a few times that Tracy's mother was quite a character. Some stories about protecting Tracy ferociously, even following her around the locker rooms! RIP :angel:
Oh that is sad, Jeanne Austin wasnt it?? I remember seeing her a good few times at Eastbourne in 83 and yes she was very prominent around Tracy and I am sure protective. She actually seemed a very nice woman and I am sad to hear she is dead. I dont know what the issue really was, I guess that she may have been looking after her daughter a little too much. But then we have to remember that Tracy was the first to be pro and playing the tour at such a young age, and received massive media coverage. I would imagine that her mother was not sure how it would all work out and that was why she would always be there. I bet she was a remarkably supportive mother.
 

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Awesome pic Bionic. Is she off the crutches? I hear Chrissie paid her a visit after she made that "Chrissie was with SOME GUY" remark on the WTA40 presentation........ ;)
 

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Awesome pic Bionic. Is she off the crutches? I hear Chrissie paid her a visit after she made that "Chrissie was with SOME GUY" remark on the WTA40 presentation........ ;)

[email protected] you BCP. Did Chrissie use a service motion bringing the racquet down or her "two-fisted" backhand. It would give new meaning to the word "crushing victory".

Great pic Bionic!
 

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[email protected]! Chris always had the "weapons" to handle Tracy. Remember when we did this about 10 years ago?

2005 FANTASY CHAMPIONSHIPS is proud to present

GETTING TO KNOW TRACY AUSTIN

sponsored by "I can't believe it's not grass" tennis courts- so real, you can smoke it.

Favourite color:
Red, white and blue of course!

Favourite Meal:
My opponents

Career Highlight:
1981-I'm a little biased. After being so tired for all of 1980, I came back to being the undisputed no.1 for 1981 (and don't let anyone tell you any different!):rolleyes:

Greatest tennis achievement:
Not having to play out my career. My 1979-1981 were good enough, that everyone thinks that I am great without me having to prove it. I get to go into the question mark club with Monica and Maureen. Look at poor Martina Hingis. If only she had been crippled sooner by her shoes....:sad: Oh well, not my problem!:)

How will you prepare for the tournament?
I'll do what I've been doing since I was 14. My coach takes me out to the practice court and gives me a good pounding before each match, drilling me endlessly. Sometimes my mother comes and shouts encouragement from the sidelines!

Toughest opponent in the tournament?
My neck and backbrace.

Let me rephrase that. Who would you least like to play?
(Long puase). Hana I guess. She's so unpredictable.
Outright winner/ unforced error?
Ace/double fault?
Gay/Striaght?
Married/single?
Australian/Czech?
No.2/No.5?

Who ever knows with Hana....

Dark Horse?
Hmmm. Chris Evert!!!! You see, the press have made a big story about how I don't get on with Chris, but I really admire what she has been able to achieve in her career. People used to call her Little Miss Ice Block, but I like to call her Little Miss Frugal. She has made VERY LITTLE go a VERY VERY LONG WAY!:)

Who, other than yourself, do you see winning?
Come on, you know there isn't a plausible answer for that.............
 

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Had the pleasure of meeting with Tracy Austin a few times during the Aust Open this year
Great pic Shane. So who did you have the most fun with of all the pros you met this year?
 

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Tracy is always a terrific and tough subject, and this is NOT to malign the girl i so fondly call 'Braces' (hug) but to highlight some of the resistance some people probably put up when confronted with placing tracy at a certain tier of accomplishment. while she was handed a tough set of cards in the end, what she got was 'legend' because her whole existence is such a wild collection of what ifs and unknowns. many assume the legend would have been toward the greater, but that's not necessarily so when you look at all the teen phenoms who come and go after a few strong years.

first, the issue of her rivalry with chris -- they played 6 years but everyone tends to focus on & make many judgments by the 4 1/2 month stretch during which chris was handily beaten by tracy, with evert winning just 25 games in 5 matches total.

on the other side of that coin is that FIVE of tracy's 9-to-8 career head to head wins all happened in this very short span of time, when chris was dealing with the meaning of her marriage commitments at the same moment tracy was on an ascendency of fearlessness and desire (which happens for every great player when they first hit)... it is hard to find stable ground for meaning and measurements in such a tiny window of time with those heavily-weighing factors on both player's plates.

especially in regard to a player who never won -or reached a final- of any other slam on any other surface than the us open's hard court.

one could suggest that she may have developed into a fine grass court player but her overwhelming tendency to take the ball on the rise -- which serves her terrifically on a hard court -- doesn't pan so well on grass with so many bad and uneven bounces. a player like chris can adjust because she waits for the ball to go waist high... tracy was tripped up at the shoe laces many times on grass because of her timing of the ball, which is born out of learning to play with consistent hard court bounces.

clay she was very good but also not overwhelming. her 'claim to fame' on clay is still the beating of evert 7-6 in the 3rd in rome, within a month of evert's marriage to lloyd. chrissie barely escaped fromholtz -- 8-6 in the 3rd -- the week prior in spain. so again, nice accomplishment to be able to claim, but there were once again a great deal of 'circumstances' attached to her victory from the outside. for me, its another inconclusive assumption about her prowess on the dirt. though she certainly didn't suck!

still, its one thing to make a big horrah at the party when you're the new kid, and the older players are trying to fend you off... but that pressure gets to everyone when --as tracy commented this year-- when you're "no longer the hunter but the hunted, its a whole different dynamic and not everyone can make that shift" and to my mind, she did not have time to prove herself in that. her extremely weak serve and rigid movement make me doubtful she would adapt to the demands of the graphite racquet that came knockin' on the door in 83... but she was very tough, determined, and strong willed competitor so no one can count her out. It just seems that she had an edge of power that would have been a tad neutralized by the bigger gunned racquets everyone would be using just around the corner, when she had to pull out of the sport with her injuries.

mandlikova could also beat both chris & martina, and proved she could do it in succession. she could also beat graf. she also won more slams and on more surfaces (twice as many slams on all 3 surfaces, to be exact). i have no problem placing her above austin. a player like hana suffers in comparison because she DID have to prove herself long term and didnt get to skip away on 'legend'; and after winning a few slams early and getting to some slam finals with very big wins, people started to learn her game and the pressure also mounted. theres no way to assume austin would have done it, any more than that sabatini would lose from 6-1 5-1 up at the french and never be the same again.
Despite most of the pro Evert nonsense here, the fact is that Tracy was an overachiever. I am pretty sure she was not a big or tall as Evert or Martina. Therefore, much of her power was forced, which caused injuries. Still, she had big wins over Chris and Martina and a few good years on tour. If Manlikova had half of Tracy's brain power, she could have been the real threat to Chris and Martina in winning slams. She did fairly well but should have done much more. Your defense of Chris here sounds like the rabid Graf fans who blame all her losses on either family problems or injuries, which I find Very annoying.
 

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Despite most of the pro Evert nonsense here, the fact is that Tracy was an overachiever. I am pretty sure she was not a big or tall as Evert or Martina. Therefore, much of her power was forced, which caused injuries. Still, she had big wins over Chris and Martina and a few good years on tour. If Manlikova had half of Tracy's brain power, she could have been the real threat to Chris and Martina in winning slams. She did fairly well but should have done much more.
I find find things like height and weight especially tough when it involves women and self-reporting. No doubt she was a good bit shorter though, so you may be on to something here.

Tracy played so often so early I have to wonder if that was also a factor. Chris didn't play full-time as an adult until she was 17. Austin was full-time at 15, and in 1979 she had a fairly heavy load.

No one else after Goolagong (who was basically done by 1980) challenged Chris and Martina consistently until Steffi Graf's talent (combined with Chris and Martina aging) came along in the late 90s. The head to head tells the true tale. From 1979 to 1981 Tracy held her own against these two on a week in week out basis. 3 years against two potential GOATS is no small thing.
 

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My two cents: Tracy lacked a powerhouse stroke or style of play, unlike Martina, and also was devoid of Chris' flair in her groundstrokes. But she had persistence and determination which would overcome players at suspect, vulnerable times in their careers. Nothing flashy though, the tortoise not the hare
 

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[email protected]! Chris always had the "weapons" to handle Tracy. Remember when we did this about 10 years ago?

2005 FANTASY CHAMPIONSHIPS is proud to present

GETTING TO KNOW TRACY AUSTIN

sponsored by "I can't believe it's not grass" tennis courts- so real, you can smoke it.

Favourite color:
Red, white and blue of course!

Favourite Meal:
My opponents

Career Highlight:
1981-I'm a little biased. After being so tired for all of 1980, I came back to being the undisputed no.1 for 1981 (and don't let anyone tell you any different!):rolleyes:

Greatest tennis achievement:
Not having to play out my career. My 1979-1981 were good enough, that everyone thinks that I am great without me having to prove it. I get to go into the question mark club with Monica and Maureen. Look at poor Martina Hingis. If only she had been crippled sooner by her shoes....:sad: Oh well, not my problem!:)

How will you prepare for the tournament?
I'll do what I've been doing since I was 14. My coach takes me out to the practice court and gives me a good pounding before each match, drilling me endlessly. Sometimes my mother comes and shouts encouragement from the sidelines!

Toughest opponent in the tournament?
My neck and backbrace.

Let me rephrase that. Who would you least like to play?
(Long puase). Hana I guess. She's so unpredictable.
Outright winner/ unforced error?
Ace/double fault?
Gay/Striaght?
Married/single?
Australian/Czech?
No.2/No.5?

Who ever knows with Hana....

Dark Horse?
Hmmm. Chris Evert!!!! You see, the press have made a big story about how I don't get on with Chris, but I really admire what she has been able to achieve in her career. People used to call her Little Miss Ice Block, but I like to call her Little Miss Frugal. She has made VERY LITTLE go a VERY VERY LONG WAY!:)

Who, other than yourself, do you see winning?
Come on, you know there isn't a plausible answer for that.............
I haven't been on this site for a while, and now I fear I may be on injured reserve (hey, does that mean a permanent seat next to Tracy? :tape: :eek:) My injury was the result of laughing so hard, especially with that last answer!! Ah, but it was a nice, fun laugh!
 
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