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My definition of a big title is who you beat in order to get to the championships. The easiest way to do this is to look at how many points (round and quality points) the champion earned at each tournament and comparing them to other tournament winners.

I have left the point totals from 2003 and 2004 so we can compare the tournament winners from 2005.

2005 Season
Grand Slams
1208 Australian Open (S Williams)
1120 Wimbledon (V Williams)
1084 French Open (Henin-Hardenne)
1022 US Open (Clijsters)

Tier I Tournaments
611 Miami (Clijsters)
527 Indian Wells (Clijsters)
514# Charleston (Henin-Hardenne)
471# Berlin (Henin-Hardenne)
458* Tokyo (Sharapova)
424* Zurich (Davenport)
419# Rome (Mauresmo)
410# Toronto (Clijsters)
405# San Diego (Pierce)
396* Moscow (Pierce)

# Charleston, Berlin, Rome, Toronto, San Diego are 56 player events.
* Tokyo, Zurich, Moscow are 28 player events.

WTA Championships
719 Los Angeles (Mauresmo)

Tier II Tournaments
356 Filderstadt (Davenport)
331 Antwerp (Mauresmo)
324 Beijing (Kirilenko)
309 New Haven (Davenport)
306 Paris (Safina)
304* Amelia Island (Davenport)
303* Los Angeles (Clijsters)
299 Warsaw (Henin-Hardenne)
294 Eastbourne (Clijsters)
291 Luxembourg (Clijsters)
286 Stanford (Clijsters)
283 Doha (Sharapova)
280 Philadelphia (Mauresmo)
268 Sydney (Molik)
268 Dubai (Davenport)
256 Linz (Petrova)

* Amelia Island, Los Angeles are 56 player events.

Tier III Tournaments
198 Hasselt (Clijsters)
194 Bangkok (Vaidisova)
194 Strasbourg (Medina Garrigues)
184* Birmingham (Sharapova)
182# Bali (Davenport)
176 Tokyo (Vaidisova)
168 Quebec (Frazier)
155 Goldcoast (Schnyder)
152 s-Hertogenbosch (Koukalova)
148 Guangzhou (Yan)
147 Memphis (Zvonareva)
144 Istanbul (V Williams)
142 Cincinnati (Schnyder)
140 Acapulco (Pennetta)
134 Bogota (Pennetta)
132 Kolkata (Myskina)

* Birmingham is a 56 player event.
# Bali is a higher Tier III event.

Tier IV Tournaments
161 Stockholm (Srebotnik)
150 Seoul (Vaidisova)
138.5 Estoril (Safarova)
128* Hobart (Zheng)
127 Auckland (Srebotnik)
124 Modena (Smashnova)
123 Portoroz (Koukalova)
121 Palermo (Medina Garrigues)
119# Pattaya City (Martinez)
117 Rabat (Llagostera Vives)
117 Hyderabad (Mirza)
116$ Forest Hills (Safarova)
115 Prague (Safina)
112 Budapest (Smashnova)
112 Tashkent (Krajicek)
108.5* Canberra (Ivanovic)

* Hobart and Canberra are $110,000 events.
# Pattaya City is a $170,000 event.
$ Forest Hills is a 16 player draw.

2004 Season
Grand Slams
1086 French Open (Myskina)
1022 Wimbledon (Sharapova)
1016 United States Open (Kuznetsova)
0958 Australian Open (Henin-Hardenne)

WTA Championships
684 Los Angeles (Sharapova)

Olympics
435 Olympics (Henin-Hardenne)

Tier I Tournaments
477 Indian Wells (Henin-Hardenne)
476# Moscow (Myskina)
471# Zurich (Molik)
461* San Diego (Davenport)
451* Rome (Mauresmo)
428 Miami (S Williams)
401* Montreal (Mauresmo)
394* Berlin (Mauresmo)
374* Charleston (V Williams)
363# Tokyo (Davenport)

* Toronto, San Diego, Rome, Berlin, Charleston are 56 player events.
# Moscow, Zurich, Tokyo are 28 player events.

Tier II Tournaments
413 Filderstadt (Davenport)
353* Amelia Island (Davenport)
328 Sydney (Henin-Hardenne)
325* Los Angeles (Davenport)
323 Beijing (S Williams)
311 Warsaw (V Williams)
283 Philadelphia (Mauresmo)
282 Doha (Myskina)
273 New Haven (Bovina)
272 Linz (Mauresmo)
258 Eastbourne (Kuznetsova)
253 Antwerp (Clijsters)
251 Stanford (Davenport)
250 Dubai (Henin-Hardenne)
248 Paris (Clijsters)

* Amelia Island, Los Angeles are 56 player events.

Tier III Tournaments
243 Strasbourg (Schaul)
199# Luxembourg (Molik)
194# Bali (Kuznetsova)
182 Goldcoast (Sugiyama)
175 Cincinnati (Davenport)
174 Memphis (Zvonareva)
172* Birmingham (Sharapova)
163# Sopot (Pennetta)
165.25 Guangzhou (Li)
163 Hasselt (Dementieva)
161.25 Acapulco (Benesova)
154 Vienna (Smashnova)
144 's-Hertogenbosch (Pierce)
138 Bogota (Zuluaga)
137 Tokyo (Sharapova)
135 Quebec (Sucha)

*Birmingham is a 56 player field.
# Luxembourg, Bali, Sopot are higher Tier III events.

Tier IV Tournaments
156 Auckland (Daniilidou)
136 Stockholm (Molik)
127 Tashkent (Vaidisova)
123 Estoril (Loit)
116 Hyderabad (Pratt)
112 Seoul (Sharapova)

Tier V Tournaments
123 Canberra (Suarez)
114 Hobart (Frazier)
109.5 Vancouver (Vaidisova)
108 Palermo (Medina Garrigues)
106 Budapest (Jankovic)
101 Casablanca (Loit)
100* Forest Hills (Likhovtseva)

* Forest Hills is a 16 player draw

2003 Season
Grand Slams
1156 French Open (Henin-Hardenne)
1110 Wimbledon (S Williams)
1074 United States Open (Henin-Hardenne)
1048 Australian Open (S Williams)

WTA Championships
707 Los Angeles (Clijsters)

Tier I Tournaments
493 Miami (S Williams)
450 Indian Wells (Clijsters)
440* Berlin (Henin-Hardenne)
420* Charleston (Henin-Hardenne)
403# Zurich (Henin-Hardenne)
402* Roma (Clijsters)
401* Toronto (Henin-Hardenne)
379# Moscow (Myskina)
363# Tokyo (Davenport)

*Berlin, Charleston, Roma, Toronto are 56 player fields.
#Zurich, Moscow, Tokyo are 32 player fields.

Tier II Tournaments
420 Leipzig (Myskina)
391$ San Diego (Henin-Hardenne)
386* Amelia Island (Dementieva)
383 Filderstadt (Clijsters)
358 Scottsdale (Sugiyama)
354 Warsaw (Mauresmo)
350 Sydney (Clijsters)
339 New Haven (Capriati)
327 Antwerp (V Williams)
324 Dubai (Henin-Hardenne)
315 Linz (Sugiyama)
298* Los Angeles (Clijsters)
296 Philadelphia (Mauresmo)
291 Shanghai (Dementieva)
291 Eastbourne (Rubin)
284 Paris (S Williams)
264 Stanford (Clijsters)

*Amelia Island, Los Angeles are 48 player fields.
$ San Diego is a higher Tier II with a 48 player field.

Tier III Tournaments
213^Bali (Dementieva)
212^Luxembourg (Clijsters)
208 's-Hertogenbosch (Clijsters)
188^ Sopot (Pistolesi)
183 Strasbourg (Farina Elia)
175 Vienna (Suarez)
172* Birmingham (Maleeva)
165 Goldcoast (Dechy)
153 Memphis (Raymond)
152 Doha (Myskina)
150 Madrid (Rubin)
148 Acapulco (Coetzer)
143 Bogota (Zuluaga)
140 Quebec City (Sharapova)
138 Tokyo (Sharapova)
131 Bol (Zvonareva)

*Birmingham is a 56 player field
^Bali, Luxembourg, Sopot are high Tier III events.

Tier IV Tournaments
161 Sarasota (Myskina)
134 Auckland (Daniilidou)
117 Helsinki (Pistolesi)
117 Tashkent (Ruano Pascual)
115 Estoril (Serna)
114 Hyderabad (Tanasugarn)

Tier V Tournaments
127 Hobart (Molik)
121 Palermo (Safina)
116 Canberra (Shaughnessy)
113 Pattaya (Nagyova)
102 Budapest (Serna)
096 Casablanca (Grande)
 

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IMO there are 7 events that matter most:

Australia
Indian Wells
Miami
Rolland Garros
Wimbledon
US Open
Tour Championships

Any other tournament isn't even CLOSE to this status. So far we have:

Australia: Serena
Indian Wells: Clijsters
Miami: Serena

And we will have:

RG: Clijsters
Wimbledon: Serena
US Open: Capriati
Tour Championships: Clijsters

;)
 

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o0O0o said:
IMO there are 7 events that matter most:

Australia
Indian Wells
Miami
Rolland Garros
Wimbledon
US Open
Tour Championships

Any other tournament isn't even CLOSE to this status. So far we have:

Australia: Serena
Indian Wells: Clijsters
Miami: Serena

And we will have:

RG: Clijsters
Wimbledon: Serena
US Open: Capriati
Tour Championships: Clijsters

;)
where's Lothlorien, if you don't mind me asking?

Jennifer is going to win the USO? Good God, I hope not....
 

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Oh God, haven't changed that in a year. It's an elf-city in The Lord of the Rings. As soon as something clever strikes me I'm changing it.

And Jennifer needs my pity vote. ;)
 

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Hmmm, I understand that some tournaments are obviously bigger than others but I was interested (read bored at the time) and I thought it would be interesting to see how all the tournaments stack up against each other points wise.

I added Grand Slams, Tier III to V tournaments as well.
 

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I love these recap posts!!!

Serena is just so amazing. Even if she isn't my favorite, I can't help but appreciate how amazing she is. She is ruling the tour so far this year judging by this list. And this list really tells the story of which players have shined the most so far this year. The story is even more interesting when you think about the players in the finals of these same tournis. Semifinalists also show you how the rankings make sense. I would love to see all of the tournis compiled in one list with winner, finalist and semifinalists. I'm far too lazy to do it, but I'm also bored right now, so maybe I'll start working on it.... I love seeing some of the Tier 3-5 winners on this list especially. Ai and Elena really stand out for me in the Tier 2 category!!! Those were great match for them!!! I think I still have them on tape somewhere...Maybe I'll go watch them win those big titles again! ;)
 

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I love this breakdown! It is interesting to find that Myskina's Tier 4 victory in Sarasota was actually more significant in terms of points than all but one of the Tier 3 victories. Elena Dementieva's amazing win stands out, and the weakness of the field in Tokyo which we all complain of is exposed! :)

This is a great way to look at the year with its various champions, and I hope you will prepare more charts like this again in coming months, Tennisace. Thanks, & here's some rep point for your effort. :)
 

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Interesting Read! Sarasota was worth more than most of the Tier 3's, and :eek: at Amelia Island!

:wavey: Tennisace, how have you been?
 

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Vera, so amazing!!!
 

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Vera, so amazing!!!
Yes, it's amazing for Vera to have the fifth biggest Tier III of 2003, considering THERE'S ONLY BEEN FIVE TIER III'S !!! :rolleyes:

And MSN is being shitty to me :sad:
 

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6-1 6-2 :bounce:
 

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Eh ? What are you talking about ?

Oh, lol, that match...Well. I'd rather have 4 titles, a higher ranking in both the regular and race rankings, a GS quarter-final, and several wins over top 10 players, than one Tier III title and no wins over anybody ranked higher than 10. :)

Btw tennisace, cool thread
 

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:)
 

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lol, maybe I dont feel like arguing tonight ;) , try tomorrow :wavey:
 

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Justine! =D
 
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