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Re: Tennis Tipping General Rules 2018 | Changes in Red | TT index in post #4

Picks must be sent to the person(s) nominated in the OOP. If the player sent to a different person and the picks are forwarded to the right persons then those picks still cannot be accepted.
Picks will still count in cases where the manager is also the opponent of a player/team and those sent picks to him and not to a Co-Manager who was nominated in the OOP for taking the manager´s opponents picks only.
However players should always have the option to send picks to someone else, if the manager is their next opponent.
Short addition to the current rules, most managers counted picks in such cases in the past anyway but the rules stated something else, so we decided to add this part.

Example:
Adey is the manager of a tournament and I play against him in my next match, so Adey posts the OOP and says that I should send my picks to Meelis instead but I still send my picks to Adey, with the new rules those picks will still count.

Iit´s obvious that players should always have the option to send to someone else (if manager=opponent) but they are not forced to do that anymore.
 

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Re: Tennis Tipping General Rules 2018 | Changes in Red | TT index in post #4

RULE CHANGES FOR 2019:

can be found here also
=> https://www.tennisforum.com/643-tennis-tipping/425105-tennis-tipping-general-rules-2018-|-changes-red-|-tt-index-post-4-a.html
=> https://www.tennisforum.com/643-tennis-tipping/425109-tb-sr-rules-2019-determining-winner.html

Retirements:

In case a player (i.e. the actual WTA Player) retires in a match, the match WILL count in TT, as long as the first point has been played, but they do NOT COUNT for SRs or for TB Points decisions but they do count for TBs in which players or teams picked different winners.
For ISRs they will count as long as the winner is already a set up or the match went to a 3rd set before the retirement.
=> new ISR rule (you get a ISR point as long as the winner is a set up or the match went to a 3rd set before a retirement), you can find new examples for that in the updated TB rules also!

TT Schedule for ITF tournaments:

Monday ~ Singles Q1 (if needed) + Singles FQR and Doubles Q1 (if needed)
Tuesday ~ Singles MD 1st round + Doubles FQR
Wednesday ~ Singles 2nd round + Doubles MD 1st round
Thursday ~ Singles and Doubles QFs
Friday ~ Singles and Doubles SFs
Saturday ~ Singles and Doubles Finals (Day 1/2)
Sunday ~ Singles and Doubles Finals (Day 2/2)
> new schedule for ITF tournaments

Double commitment (player commits to two different tournaments in the same week):

Before the 1st deadline on Sunday, 6pm CET players can commit to any tournament, withdraw from there and commit to another tournament without being a LE.
After the 1st deadline players have 48 hours time to withdraw from events of their choice.
If the player is still on two different Entry Lists once the Withdrawal Deadline (Tuesday, 6pm CET/CEST) is over, the player receives an official warning from the TT board.
Is the infraction noticed before the tournaments start, only the first commitment will be valid and no punishment is applied.
If the double commitment is not noticed by anyone before the draws are made, points gained by the player in any of the two tournaments will not be considered and the player will be replaced with ALTs/LLs (only possible if the player didn´t win a round already in that tournament).

If a player, who received an official warning before, is again on two different Entry Lists once the Withdrawal deadline is over, then this player gets disqualified immediately and won´t be allowed to play any tournament in that week.
After that the warning expires and the user will receive a warning again before getting disqualified.
All warnings expire at the end of the year and all players will start from zero again once the new season starts with tournament 1.

A list of players who received a warning or got disqualified can be found here
=> Players have now 48 hours time to withdraw instead of 24 hours (New Withdrawal deadline is always 6pm CET/CEST on Tuesday)

Special Exempts (SEs 2019)

In 2019 every International tournament will have space for 2 Special Exempts ( 1 for Singles and 1 for Doubles)
Challenger Race Standings from certain periods will determine the holders of the Spots

All managers of International Tournaments should have space for 1 SE for Singles and Doubles.
SE holders have to request their SE before the first deadline is over ( always 6pm CET/CEST on Sunday)
If they don´t request their SE in time or they don't need their SE as they are in MD anyway, then the SE gets cleared and the 1st person/team from the Q-List moves into the Main Draw.
=> SE spot gets cleared now if it is not needed/requested in time and SE holders have now time to request it until 1st deadline

Protected rankings:

In order to be eligible for a Protected Ranking, one must have been out of competition a minimum of six months.
The eligible player must apply for a PR in the „Protected Ranking“ thread before re-entering TT competition.

A player has one year from the date he/she returns to competition to use the Protected Ranking and may enter a maximum of 2 Grand Slams and 2 Premier Mandatories as part of his/her Protected Ranking Tournaments.

A player out for more then a year will now be entitled to 12 tournaments to use Special Ranking.
(if you are out from 6 months to 1 year you will get 8 chances to use SR)
=> no time limit anymore for PR request (it does not matter anymore if you were out for 1 year or 10 years) and you can use your PR for 12 tournaments as long as you have been out for more than 1 year

Challengers in 2nd week of Grand Slams and Indian Wells/Miami:

Players who reached Quarterfinals in Singles and/or Doubles at Grand Slams are automatically out of all ITF tournaments which take place in the 2nd week of the events mentioned above.
The ITFs in the 2nd week of Indian Wells will have Final Deadline on Sunday 6pm CET always, those of Miami on Saturday 6pm CET, which means that all players who reached 4th round in singles or/and 3rd round in doubles are automatically out of all ITF tournaments in the 2nd week as well.
=> ITF Deadline will always be Sunday 6pm from 2019 on, so those who reached 4th rounds at a slam are allowed to play a ITF in the 2nd week of a slam now, only those who reached QF are automatically out, for Indian Wells the rule does not change, for Miami we will inform the managers/players in time, if the Saturday deadline stays or not as a Sunday Deadline does not make sense for the ITFs in the 2nd week of Miami.

NEW TB rule:

If you can´t find a winner after this, take a look at the order of sets (starting again with TB1, then TB2/TB3)

Example:

Result: Stephens def. Osaka 64 46 63

Player A: Osaka 16 62 76
Player B: Osaka 62 16 76

Real score: Stephens 64 46 63

Player A wins as he gave the first set to Stephens/2nd set to Osaka
=> Added a new rule here, so that we have a look at the order of sets also in matches in which both players picked the loser, last change to avoid a tournament countback decision
 

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I'm still shocked ISR in retirements passed(on both sites at that), it makes 100% sense as the set is already won, but there has been so many against the idea.

ITF schedule is going to be so great for managers, less time consuming overall , taking just 1 weekend, and an easy final weekend at that, I wish Main tour events could do the same honestly.

I think there will be more missing picks for quite some time, we are all use to sending for Monday with Sunday OOP, Tuesday starts always have increased missing picks.

SE problem has more been not settled early enough.

PR I don't like at all, it's just not the same as real tennis, where it's mostly coming back from injury, but I can follow directions :wink2:
 

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and also new:

Quali matches on ITF level will have a Super TB (TB until 10) instead of a 3rd set from 2019 on, so for TB matches you will have to predict the exact Super TB score from 2019 on (10-6 instead of 6-3 or whatever)!
 

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Re: Tennis Tipping General Rules 2018 | Changes in Red | TT index in post #4

Qualifying for WET (WTA Elite Trophy):

12 players (from 9th to 20th place of the 2016 TT race) round robin singles format (four groups of three players, then single-elimination semifinals and final), and 12 double pairs from 9th to 20th place of 2016 TT Race (four groups of three pair, then single-elimination semifinals and final)
YEC ALTs who didn´t get in are obviously allowed to play this event as well
@Michael!

do you need to adjust to adjust the last part of this to account for WET being before YEC now :shrug:

I guess now the 9th ranked player/team will be able to play both Zhuhai and Singapore, possibly winning both events :sobbing:
 

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Re: Tennis Tipping General Rules 2018 | Changes in Red | TT index in post #4

@Michael!

do you need to adjust to adjust the last part of this to account for WET being before YEC now :shrug:

I guess now the 9th ranked player/team will be able to play both Zhuhai and Singapore, possibly winning both events :sobbing:
yup, sure, that needs to be adjusted also, thanks!
Yeah, that´s the only possible rule then, I guess, that those who play Zhuhai will be allowed to be ALT for Singapore then also
 

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yup, sure, that needs to be adjusted also, thanks!
Yeah, that´s the only possible rule then, I guess, that those who play Zhuhai will be allowed to be ALT for Singapore then also

@Meelis mentioned in WTA any such player may only count ranking points from either Zhuhai or Shenzhen :eek:h:
 

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Re: Tennis Tipping General Rules 2018 | Changes in Red | TT index in post #4

@Meelis mentioned in WTA any such player may only count ranking points from either Zhuhai or Shenzhen :eek:h:
"The ranking points that a Finals Singles Qualified Player or Finals Alternate
earns at the WTA Finals count as a bonus Tournament in calculating her
WTA Ranking (her WTA Ranking includes seventeen (17) Tournaments).
A Finals Alternate who competes in the singles competitions of both
the WTA Finals and the WTA Elite Trophy earns ranking points only from
the tournament that provides the highest net increase to her total WTA
Ranking points as of the Finals Rankings."

so only points from one tournament :p
 

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as we talked about it in the Ask the Board thread, here is the detailed written rule about the number of commitments ;)

Number of commitments:

Minimal number of commitments for a tournament to run is 16 players for singles and/or 8 teams for doubles
If a tournament still has less than 8 entries for doubles on Friday before the tournament starts, then the Manager should pair up players to form a 8th team on his own.
However managers are not allowed to pair up players automatically, if they committed explicit for singles only, in this case the managers should ask for their permission first.
Events which have less than 16/8 players/teams at Saturday 6pm CET/CEST (one day before the final deadline) will be cancelled and the players from the cancelled event will be automatically transferred to another ITF tournament in the same week. (Managers should inform the board about it in this case)
 

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Yeah, they changed that again in August when they changed the points system as well and I agree, makes sense then to have Q1 in Singles on Sunday already, if that ITF has a Sunday start also but I will discuss that with the team and then change the rule, if we agree.
 

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TT Schedule for ITF tournaments:

Sunday (if the real tournament starts on Sunday already) ~ Singles Q1
Monday ~ Singles Q1 (if the real tournament starts on Monday) + Singles FQR and Doubles Q1
Tuesday ~ Singles MD 1st round + Doubles FQR
Wednesday ~ Singles 2nd round + Doubles MD 1st round
Thursday ~ Singles and Doubles QFs
Friday ~ Singles and Doubles SFs
Saturday ~ Singles and Doubles Finals (Day 1/2)
Sunday ~ Singles and Doubles Finals (Day 2/2)
Added Sunday as possible 1st day for ITFs tournaments, if they need two rounds of qualifying!
 

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Rules for Tokyo 2020, added on 1st page also!

Same rule as for 2016, I tried to write down and summarize everything important but just ask in the "Ask the Board" thread, if you still have any questions!


Rules for TT Olympics 2020 in Tokyo:​

Every player can play for the nation he was ranked for in the 2019 year-end-rankings (in this case the rankings from 4th November 2019) or he played Fed Cup for between 2016 and 2020.
New players who will start playing in 2020 are allowed to use the nation they started with.

People have to sign in in the tournaments-thread and have to mention for which country they play.

There is a maximum of 4 singles players and 2 doubles-teams for each country.
Players/Teams who don't belong to the top 4 (2 for doubles) of their country can still be on the ALT List but can only replace one of their fellow countrymen if these don´t send.
The doubles players can be different from the singles ones, so 8 players in total is possible for every country (depends on the ranking of course)
In Doubles the combined ranking of both players will decide about the Entry List placement and players can team up with whoever they want, it´s only required that the doubles partners are from the same country.

Two players/teams from the same country can't be in the same half, or same quarter (if there are more than 2 players)
This also would affect the ALT placement in case of non senders, exception would be if there is only one non sender and the 1st ALT who sent is from
the same country as someone else in the same quarter/half.

Draw Size:

64 MD for Singles (no Qualifying)
32 MD for Doubles (no Qualifying)

Tournament Points for Olympic Games in Tokyo:

Code:
[B]Winner:[/B] 685
[B]Final:[/B] 445
[B]3rd place:[/B] 300
[B]4th place:[/B] 230
[B]Quarterfinal:[/B] 145
[B]R16:[/B] 85
[B]R32:[/B] 45
[B]R64:[/B] 1
First Commitment deadline: Sunday, 19th July 2020
Final Commitment deadline: Friday, 24th July 2020

Olympic Entry List and Seeds will be based on rankings from 13th July 2020


TT Schedule of Play

Code:
Saturday,  25th July:   First Main Draw Round - Singles 
Sunday,    26th July:   Second Main Draw Round - Singles / First Main Draw Round - Doubles 
Monday,    27th July:   Third Main Draw Round - Singles / Second Main Draw Round - Doubles 
Tuesday,   28th July:   Quarterfinal - Singles and Doubles 
Wednesday, 29th July:   Semifinal - Singles and Doubles 
Thursday,  30th July:   Gold and Bronze Medal Match  - Day 1/2 - Singles and Doubles
Friday,    31th July:   no play
Saturday,  01st August: Gold and Bronze Medal Match  - Day 2/2 - Singles and Doubles

https://www.tennisforum.com/81980987-post4.html
 

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Alternates/Lucky Losers:

If someone's opponent doesn't send his/her picks, the opponent gets a walkover.
If there's ALT/LL available, then this ALT/LL replaces the opponent who didn't send his/her picks.
LL1/ALT1 replaces opponent of the lowest ranked player in the draw (note that Top 30 LEs always count as lowest ranked players in ITF draws , in reversed order from 30 down to 1 as lowest possible ranking)
LL4/ALT4 ( if there are 4 people on the list, for example) replaces opponent of the highest ranked player in the draw (note that Top 30 LEs always count as lowest ranked players in ITF draws , in reversed order from 30 down to 1 as lowest possible ranking)
Just a change of the wording here above to make it a bit clearer as it was discussed before in the rules suggestion thread!

This year we had a week in which we had one WTA tournament only with 32 MD, in future we will avoid that for TT and increase the draw size to 64 (singles) and 32 (doubles), it should not happen again anytime soon but just in case!

I will open polls sometime later this week also about two topics!

1) Q-Draw Size (should we increase the Q-Draw size from 16 to 24 for WTA tournaments with 32 MD)
2) the suggestion from SAISAI GOAT that we should give ISR points for matches in which both picked the correct winner also (only in case of retirements obviously)

And please be aware of the fact that we have problems to find someone who can adjust the excel sheet from Frederik these days!
A rule change here wouldn´t be such a big problem at least as it only could affect the results of matches in which one player retired.
 

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This year we had a week in which we had one WTA tournament only with 32 MD, in future we will avoid that for TT and increase the draw size to 64 (singles) and 32 (doubles), it should not happen again anytime soon but just in case!
what I can't believe that change, although it should not impact 2020 (unless the WTA cancels the TBD opposite Albany, which is entirely possible) ... we love the Bronx slam, Bogota slam (when it was the only WTA tournament of the week), and it seemed a reward having earned a top 28 TT ranking to be able to be in MD of the only WTA 32 draw tournament of the week ... now such weeks will be watered down :SNE: :SNE: :SNE:
 

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2) the suggestion from SAISAI GOAT that we should give ISR points for matches in which both picked the correct winner also (only in case of retirements obviously)
this odd rule came into effect on the biggest stage, the TT YEC final, SVITOLINA d BENCIC 57 63 41 retired, one TT player picked SVITOLINA 2-1 :eek:h:
 

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Protected rankings:

In order to be eligible for a Protected Ranking, one must have been out of competition a minimum of six months.
The eligible player must apply for a PR in the „Protected Ranking“ thread before re-entering TT competition.
That means that the player has to post in the Protected Ranking thread to apply for a PR there before he commits to any tournament.

A player has one year from the date he/she returns to competition to use the Protected Ranking and may enter a maximum of 2 Grand Slams and 2 Premier Mandatories as part of his/her Protected Ranking Tournaments.

A player out for more than a year will now be entitled to 12 tournaments to use Special Ranking.
(if you are out from 6 months to 1 year you will get 8 chances to use your SR)
For seedings only the actual ranking of a player matters and players don't have to use their PR if they get into the draws with their actual ranking anyway.
There were complaints about it before, so I added that one sentence to the PR rule to make it clear that a player has to post in the thread to apply for it there before he can commit to any tournament.
It´s not possible to get a PR, if you apply for it after you committed to a tournament!
 

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General Rules updated for 2020 with the new rule about ISR points for matches in which both picked the correct winner!


> https://www.tennisforum.com/18890744-post1.html

Retirements:

In case a player (i.e. the actual WTA Player) retires in a match, the match WILL count in TT, as long as the first point has been played, but they do NOT COUNT for SRs or for TB Points decisions but they do count for TBs in which players or teams picked different winners.
For ISRs they will count as long as the winner is already a set up or the match went to a 3rd set before the retirement.
From 2020 on we will also give out ISR points for matches in which both picked the right winner as long as the player who retired was up a set or the match went to a 3rd set before the retirement.
> https://www.tennisforum.com/18890748-post5.html

From 2020 on we will also give out ISR points for matches in which both picked the right winner as long as the player who retires is up a set or the match went to a 3rd set before the retirement.

Example 1: Svitolina def. Pliskova 64 36 41 retired

Player A picked Svitolina 2-0, Player B picked Svitolina 2-1 => Player B gets a ISR point as he/she gave a set to Pliskova​

Example 2: Svitolina def. Pliskova 46 retired

Player A picked Svitolina 2-0, Player B picked Svitolina 2-1 => Player B gets a ISR point as he/she gave a set to Pliskova​

Example 3: Svitolina def. Pliskova 64 05 retired

Player A picked Svitolina 2-0, Player B picked Svitolina 2-1 => Player B does still not get a ISR point​
 
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