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I read some ideas and i think people dont recognise the really talent of Paola and Ai.
Both was top ten and number one in doubles and made great performances in the Grand Slam in the last two years.

The explanation of the absence of Justine and Kim now and Venus and Serena before and the weakness of Amelie is not enough to justify their top ten quality.

please argue with justice with Paola and Ai:bounce:
 

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cause their tennis is boring as hell
 
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hmmmmm ok majoli fan, LOL
 

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For Ai/Paola's sake just hope the Willies will be injured again, can't see them finish in the top 10 at the end of the year. Both should hope they have the luck on their side. But they don't have top 10 material. Both made the top 10 because of injuries to the Wilies/Justine/Kim.
 

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For Ai/Paola's sake just hope the Willies will be injured, can't see them finish in the top 10 at the end of the year. Both should hope they have the luck on their side. But they don't have top 10 material. Both made the top 10 because of injuries to the Wilies/Justine/Kim.
thats a bit harsh, and i completely disagree. they've had some tremendous results, players are always gonna be injured, ai and paola have had injuries themselves
 

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SharapovaKixA$$ said:
cause their tennis is boring as hell
Weren't you the one bawling about having a negative reputation yesterday? ;)
 

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Sugiyama and Suarez don't get credit because they don't DESERVE credit.

They both lack star quality, and more importantly, whenever it is a big match against a top player, they both always LOSE.

They are always good, but never GREAT, players.
 

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vogus said:
Sugiyama and Suarez don't get credit because they don't DESERVE credit.

They both lack star quality, and more importantly, whenever it is a big match against a top player, they both always LOSE.

They are always good, but never GREAT, players.
I don't know about Ai's case, but about Paola some people just won't admit she's playing great, having wonderful seasons and enjoying tennis.
Paola's GS run from last year is way better than other players who hasn't done anything but yet are worshiped here and treated as heroins
 

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vogus said:
Sugiyama and Suarez don't get credit because they don't DESERVE credit.

They both lack star quality, and more importantly, whenever it is a big match against a top player, they both always LOSE.

They are always good, but never GREAT, players.
I have to agree with this.
 

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vogus said:
Sugiyama and Suarez don't get credit because they don't DESERVE credit.

They both lack star quality, and more importantly, whenever it is a big match against a top player, they both always LOSE.

They are always good, but never GREAT, players.
I partly agree with what you say, in that, for the time being they are very good but not great players. I don't really know too much about Sugiyama, other than she's got where she is through hard work and and fighting so hard to win, so it's not really fair for me to comment on her. As for Paola, I think people tend to very much underestimate how well she is playing now, and still tend to regard her purely as a clay court specialist when she can clearly play well on all surfaces in singles and doubles, as she has demonstrated by very good results in all the Grand Slam tournaments in the last year or so. Having watched a lot of her matches, I think she is very talented, but that what stands between her and a permenant position in the top ten is the mental aspect; she has easily lost a lot of big matches now that she really could have been at least competitive in, if not won, due to her nerves ... when thoe nervous double faults start to appear, there pretty much seems to be no way back for her. She's doing just great as it is and if she could manage to find a way to control her nerves she could do a whole lot better. So, I do think she deserves more credit for where she is at right now, but I also agree that she needs to start winning those important matches if she wants to become in her words "more upper!" ;) As for the star quality factor, she could easily be popular if we got to hear her speak more often; her interviews are hillarious! ;) :D
 

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I agree that they would get more respect if they won some big matches which they haven't done yet.

Like Ai reaching the YEC semifinals last year or beating Sharapova a few days ago.
Or Paola beating Dementieva at FO or Amelie at Wimbledon.
 

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SharapovaKixA$$ said:
cause their tennis is boring as hell
They can at least bring the ball back and you can see a fluent game which is something I prefer over two big hitters hitting error over error.
 

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I don't know, I don't really respect either one a lot either, but I don't know why. I've seen Paola play some singles and doubles, it's ok, but it just doesn't seem like other top players. I think both didn't get decent singles results until later in their careers and only after doing really well in doubles, and I think that's a stigma. Plus, Ai didn't seem to really be much in singles until she paired up with Kim, and I sort of just think she's only relatively high ranked right now because of playing with Kim for a year. And, yes, they don't beat top players very much and are not really consistent a lot, they lose in the first round a lot, and not always to great players.
 

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Sigh... How can you not give a player credit for what they've achieved, or at least repsect their game, because you find the way they play boring?

Sugiyama and Suarez aren't "great" players, but they are both very good, and deserve all the respect in the world for accomplishing what they have. No, they don't often win the biggest matches against the very best players. But let's rehash:

Ai has reached the fourth round of a Slam nine times, at least once on every surface, with two QFs to her name. Since 2002 she's beaten Kim, Lindsay, JHH, Capriati, Zvonareva, Petrova... and has won two Tier II titles and one Tier III title. Besides that, she's beaten Graf, Hingis, and Pierce, and been competitive with most top players.

Suarez has reached the fourth round of a Slam six times, at least once on every surface, and has three QFs and one SF to her name. She has a 32-10 record this year, and has beaten Mauresmo, Zvonareva, Petrova, and Sharapova since 2002, along with pushing Capriati, Venus, and Davenport to three sets. She's won two lower tier tourneys since 2003, and she does have wins over Serena, Pierce, and Myskina in her career.

I think these players both have done the best they could with what they have - but what they have is often underestimated, as both have tremendous speed and intelligence on court - they know what to do and how to exploit opponents' weaknesses. Besides that, they both have very solid, consistent groundstrokes that allow them to counterpunch and move the ball around the court until they have the opening to hit a winner. Yes, Ai and Paola have taken advantage of some draws opening up for them, but they've also shown they have the tennis skills to deserve credit for their rankings. No, Suarez and Sugiyama aren't necessarily great players, as they haven't won enough of the crucial, big-time matches. But to say you don't respect their games or don't give them credit for their singles play because they are 'boring' is seriously ignorant.
 

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vogus said:
Sugiyama and Suarez don't get credit because they don't DESERVE credit.

They both lack star quality, and more importantly, whenever it is a big match against a top player, they both always LOSE.

They are always good, but never GREAT, players.
Thats why they are not ranked higher. They are ranked where they are because they win more than the people below them
 

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Paola won Sharapova too easily in RG

SHE CAN DO IT BETTER THAN A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK

She pushed Venus in a third set in Berlin

Paola could do it so well and she is going to demonstrate that soon
 
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