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Weinstein used the "fake news" BS as well. But of course with Trump all the women are lying. SMH

At least 17 women have accused [Trump] of assaulting or violating them
Funny how you complain about fake news about Hillary (that maybe 3% of Americans read) but believe everything about Trump (many of which the MSM spreads). At least Trump DoJ is going after these producers who abuse women. Hillary and Obama just took their money and turned the blind eye.
 

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Funny how you complain about fake news about Hillary (that maybe 3% of Americans read) but believe everything about Trump (many of which the MSM spreads). At least Trump DoJ is going after these producers who abuse women. Hillary and Obama just took their money and turned the blind eye.


Well, mebbe if Trump wouldn't boast of such exploits on video people would be less inclined to believe the stories. ;)
 

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:facepalm: And that has what to do with a character in a movie or series?
That you don´t separate the professional life of a person from their private life, if you got access to that information. It factors into how you view them.

Or do you watch the Cosby Show today and think Bill is such a family guy. Great show.
 

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That you don´t separate the professional life of a person from their private life, if you got access to that information. It factors into how you view them.

Or do you watch the Cosby Show today and think Bill is such a family guy. Great show.
Hmmm. I'll take the responsibility for not clearly expressing what I mean. Let me put it a different way - characters in a movie or series are not the actors who fill that role. If Daniel Radcliffe was to commit the most horrific crime it wouldn't change my Harry Potter fandom.

To use another example: would you expect a fan of Dexter to be bummed out by learning Michael Hall is a nice guy who wouldn't hurt a fly?
 

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Hmmm. I'll take the responsibility for not clearly expressing what I mean. Let me put it a different way - characters in a movie or series are not the actors who fill that role. If Daniel Radcliffe was to commit the most horrific crime it wouldn't change my Harry Potter fandom.

To use another example: would you expect a fan of Dexter to be bummed out by learning Michael Hall is a nice guy who wouldn't hurt a fly?
No I´d be bummed out to find out that Dexter is a lumberjack. :grin2:

Okay in the concept of a franchise character like Harry Potter, Jack Sparrow or James Bond you´d be able to accept a different actor portraying the role. If that´s what you mean I agree.
 

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Okay in the concept of a franchise character like Harry Potter, Jack Sparrow or James Bond you´d be able to accept a different actor portraying the role. If that´s what you mean I agree.
Hmmm. That's not what I mean. :) If Daniel Radcliffe committed a horrific act it wouldn't affect my liking for Harry Potter even if Radcliffe continued to fill the role. In fact I'd rather he did.

Not sure how to be any clearer - characters are their own entities. An actor is his/her own person. Different "people." It's even more pertinent in this thread because as more actors have spoken up I've realized that many of the people who are filling out the roles of characters I like are wussies. That doesn't mean I'll be any less of a fan of those characters.
 

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Hmmm. That's not what I mean. :) If Daniel Radcliffe committed a horrific act it wouldn't affect my liking for Harry Potter even if Radcliffe continued to fill the role. In fact I'd rather he did.

Not sure how to be any clearer - characters are their own entities. An actor is his/her own person. Different "people." It's even more pertinent in this thread because as more actors have spoken up I've realized that many of the people who are filling out the roles of characters I like are wussies. That doesn't mean I'll be any less of a fan of those characters.
Okay. Then you and I are just different. I can´t separate an actor being a sex offender or murderer from his acting work. Tax evasion, petty theft, drugs or alcohol fine, but I draw a line at murder and rape.
 

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Okay. Then you and I are just different. I can´t separate an actor being a sex offender or murderer from his acting work.
Okay. Yeah, to me actors are secondary to characters and stories. Another example of that is I don't get the celebrity thing about actors - at all. In my ideal set-up, every show would be street-cast. :)
 

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Okay. Then you and I are just different. I can´t separate an actor being a sex offender or murderer from his acting work.
Okay. Yeah, to me actors are secondary to characters and stories. When I watch a show I'm not thinking about who the actor is or what has transpired in that actor's life. Another example of that is I don't get the celebrity thing about actors - at all. In my ideal set-up, actors would be "nameless" and every show would be street-cast. :)
 

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McKayla Maroney was molested by her team doctor... How many sexual psychopaths with an ounce of power are roaming this planet??

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2017/10/17/former-soviet-gymnast-tatiana-gutsu-accuses-fellow-olympic-gold-medalist-of-rape/

Former Soviet gymnast Tatiana Gutsu, the all-around champion at the 1992 Barcelona Olympics, added her voice Tuesday to a growing number of women sharing their stories of sexual assault and sexual harassment with a public post on Facebook accusing a former teammate and fellow gold medalist of raping her when she was 15 years old.
 

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Catcalls Aren't Rape: Why the #MeToo Campaign Is So Problematic


If your social media feeds are anything like mine, you’ve probably been witnessing an onslaught of women posting statuses with the simple phrase “#metoo,” devoid of any context of what they’re cosigning. I’ve also seen men joining in, nodding along as if they’re somehow all guilty of heinous crimes because of their gender.

The “#metoo” campaign, also spelled out as “me too,” was started as a way for women bond over their shared experiences of being sexually harassed or sexually assaulted:


Alyssa Milano ✔@Alyssa_Milano
If you’ve been sexually harassed or assaulted write ‘me too’ as a reply to this tweet.​


While I've seen some harrowing accounts of alleged sexual assault linked to the #metoo campaign, I've also read tales of women complaining about being catcalled on the street, women talking about how an Amazon employee had the nerve to call her beautiful, and a recount of an apparently traumatic compliment a woman received at age 12.

The #metoo campaign is fundamentally flawed because it conflates and equates sexual harassment with actual sexual assault—even rape. A catcall you received 10 years ago when you were walking home at night is not rape. A man on the train calling you beautiful every morning is not rape. An unwanted compliment by a stranger is not rape. These things are not rape. However, these things have all now, in modern times, fallen under the category of “sexual harassment.” By putting sexual harassment under the same #metoo campaign against sexual assault and rape, it trivializes the trauma of rape.
 

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My brother regaled us with his Harvey Weinstein stories when I visited him this weekend.


His business practices are as deplorable as the rest of his disgusting life. Brother is so happy that the arc of the universe has finally budged toward justice, though what he dealt with is NOTHING compared to what others suffered.
 

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McKayla Maroney was molested by her team doctor... How many sexual psychopaths with an ounce of power are roaming this planet??
"Nassar, an osteopath who spent nearly 30 years as trainer and national medical coordinator with the USA Gymnastics program, is now in prison in Michigan after pleading guilty to possession of child pornography. He is still awaiting trial on 22 counts of first-degree criminal sexual conduct involving at least seven victims in addition to being sued by over 125 women in civil court who claim he sexually assaulted them under the guise of treatment."
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/oct/18/mckayla-maroney-says-sexual-abuse-by-team-doctor-started-when-she-was-13

To say gymnastics seems to have a real problem would be an understatement.

The same can be said for the fashion industry. See the waves and waves of horrifying stories published by model Cameron Russell on her Instagram in the last few days submitted to her by women who experienced sexual harassment and/or assault working as fashion models. Some of them were as young as 14 when it first happened.
https://www.instagram.com/cameronrussell/
 

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McKayla Maroney was molested by her team doctor... How many sexual psychopaths with an ounce of power are roaming this planet??
Nothing psychopathic about it. The attitudes that underlie such behavior are inculcated through the norms of our societies. In both men and women.
 

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Nothing psychopathic about it. The attitudes that underlie such behavior are inculcated through the norms of our societies. In both men and women.
Maybe in Saudi Arabia but not in the USA/Europe. Dave was right about psychopath/sociopath part and it's much more common with doctors than the rest of the society. Especially with surgeons. They often do incredible job but for them feelings and compassion can be a hindrance. And this behavior is much much more common in men.
 

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Weinstein is so disgusting. Everybody knew and he didn't even need to hide it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/14/opinion/sunday/harvey-weinstein-sarah-polley.html

One day, when I was 19 years old, I was in the middle of a photo shoot for a Miramax film when I was suddenly told it was time to leave. I was wearing a little black dress, showing a lot of cleavage, lying seductively on my side and looking slyly at the camera. The part I had played in the movie, “Guinevere,” could not have been more removed from this pose. My character was an awkward girl, bumbling, in fact, who wore sweatshirts and jeans, and had little sense of her sexual power. But this was how they were going to sell the movie, and at a certain point, I was tired of being a problem, which is how a female actor is invariably treated whenever she points out that she is being objectified or not respected.

I was pulled out of the photo shoot abruptly. The publicist said that we needed to be in Harvey Weinstein’s office in 20 minutes.

“Are we done here?” I asked. “No” was the answer. “But Harvey wants you there now.”

In the taxi, the publicist looked at me and said: “I’m going in with you. And I’m not leaving your side.” I knew everything I needed to know in that moment, and I was grateful.

When I got there, Mr. Weinstein wasted no time. He told me, in front of the publicist and a co-worker beside him, that a famous star, a few years my senior, had once sat across from him in the chair I was in now. Because of his “very close relationship” with this actress, she had gone on to play leading roles and win awards. If he and I had that kind of “close relationship,” I could have a similar career. “That’s how it works,” I remember him telling me. The implication wasn’t subtle. I replied that I wasn’t very ambitious or interested in acting, which was true. He then asked me about my political activism and went on to recast himself as a left-wing activist, which was among the funniest things I’d ever heard.

I indicated that he was wasting his time. We probably wouldn’t be friends or have a “close relationship.” I just didn’t care that much about an acting career. I loved acting, still do, but I knew, after 14 years of working professionally, that it wasn’t worth it to me, and the reasons were not unconnected to the tone of that meeting almost 20 years ago.
 
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