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Carlos Ramos is one of the most consistent umpires in the sport and he tends to be even more vigilant on enforcing the rules against top players - which is why the likes of Nadal and Djokovic dislike him, and Murray has had clashes with him for being on a power trip. Difference being none of those players react hysterically to little, inconsequential decisions like Serena did.
Except matches are officiated by programmed robots, there will always be human elements like errors or inconsistency involved in the decision making, which means that every player can play the victim on any given day. It is entirely up to the players to control their emotions. The umpire or the authorities share no part in the ridiculous theater that played out in that final. Only one party thoroughly disgraced herself and the sport - though the spineless USTA, especially Katrina Adams would also share in the disgrace with their pandering.
I don't disagree, but there's nothing wrong with calling out said inconsistencies, so long as it done right. Serena didn't do that properly. Telling her to be quiet because "there is always errors or inconsistencies" is not the right thing to do.

I also disagree with umpires not sharing responsibility. I know variation will exist, but right now in my opinion said variation is too wide. Umpires let very obvious infractions go ALL THE TIME, and that's not proper procedure.
 

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She need to apologies to the umpire. The fact that she was fined afterwards and he was cleared and she still insist he wronged her makes her apology useless.
For what? A well known selfish umpire who try in every 2nd match to get publicity?
 

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Standing up for herself? She lost control of her emotions because she was getting her ass handed to her when she was so close to getting #24. She took it out on the umpire and then when the emotions subsided and she realised how badly she fucked up she tried to make it a sexist issue in a desperate attempt to gaslight people into supporting her. So disgusting. But it's in the past now. Naomi is a 2x champion with her whole career ahead of her:cheer:
And where's Naomi now? ;)
 

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Hopefully this drama will die. Just play tennis Serena.. and stop with creating drama all the time when you're losing at the US Open. ;) :angel:
 

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What I don't understand and what Serena doesn't adress: Why did she the take coaching violation so personally? How did she not understand that she can get penalized for coaching without having done anything wrong?

I also get the impression that Serena doesn't watch or follow the tour very closely. Ramos has clashed with numerous top players, yet she still claims she was treated differently. Not to mention that she didn't know you are not allowed to hit the ball on the opponent's side of the net...I guess it is somewhat impressive that she can be the GOAT and so clueless at the same time.
Apparently, she is not clueless about too much. She has 23 Singles Slams has you pontificating on your "impressions" of her. She is, indeed, the GOAT.
 

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I don't disagree, but there's nothing wrong with calling out said inconsistencies, so long as it done right. Serena didn't do that properly. Telling her to be quiet because "there is always errors or inconsistencies" is not the right thing to do.

I also disagree with umpires not sharing responsibility. I know variation will exist, but right now in my opinion said variation is too wide. Umpires let very obvious infractions go ALL THE TIME, and that's not proper procedure.
Of course I'm not arguing that she shouldn't point out decisions she disagrees with. There's a difference between that and going all hysterical and making up conspiracy theories and questioning the integrity of the umpire.
I don't see any wide variation in the application of the rules. In just about everything in life requiring subjective judgement, different human beings will apply different standards. In soccer that I follow weekly, some referees are known for letting the game flow and allowing physicality and hard tackling etc. Some refs are very niggly and constantly interrupt the flow of the game over trifles, and some are known to reach for their cards easily. In boxing, some refs apply the rules liberally allowing for holding which favors the attritional style of many brawlers. Other crack down on it. In more consequential matters in society like the judiciary, many judges apply standards that are dependent on their worldview and political beliefs and whether they see the justice system primarily as rehabilitative or punitive.

You will never get a tennis universe where every umpire apply the exact same standards. So I have no blame for the system. There is no evidence that Ramos himself was peculiarly harsh to Serena. He has punished players more harshly for less offences than Serena - like when he gave Djokovic a code violation and point deduction for verbal abuse despite the fact Djokovic spoke Serbian to him and I'm pretty sure Ramos doesn't speak Serbo-Croat (which Djokovic kept asking him).:lol: The difference is the likes of Djokovic have self-control and know when to button it and focus on their match.
 

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And this is public right in the middle of Serena´s fight in Wimbledon??

Serena and/or Serena´s marketing team obviously want to take us for fools

These convenient apologies at this convenient time make Serena even more obvnoxious as a person than what she generated at that USO event
This sounds personal to you. Better calm down before you have a stroke or something. SDS is some strong stuff.
 

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Serena was asked about the article today in her presser with Murray after they lost in mixed dubs.
She declined to discuss it.
Harper's Bazaar, not Serena or her team, released the article and chose the timing.
Of course they timed it optimally to sell magazines.
Of course Serena's media team jumped on it once Harper's released it.
That's their job.
I don't see how it matters one way or the other. :shrug:
No one's match play is affected.
 

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That is a bomb threat. "Damn English. I wish a bomb would explode on this club. A bomb should explode here." What would you see this as then ?

How can I site something I knew nothing about? I dont have a "narrative" I listed comparisons on fines. Youre so angry, for no reason.

Even so, how is that incident unjustified ? He accused the umpire of max fixing(Which is illegal) and favoritism, that to me deserves a disqualification. Serena calling Ramos a thief, is not even in the same field. Serena didn't insinuate anything with that man's race, background, or heritage. Ramos didn't explain anything, he just proceeded to hand out warning after warning after warning. That's like a police officer handing you a ticket and not telling you why, but you have to pay a fine.

I will apologize, for the misinformation on Kyrgios. He was fined for what he said to the umpire, not Nadal.
Again, that is not what a "bomb threat" is. For it to be a bomb threat, it has to start with being a "threat". Some guy rambling on court about how he wishes a bomb with explode on the stadium is not actually threatening to bomb the place.<img src="https://www.tennisforum.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Laugh Out Loud" class="inlineimg" />
You think accusing an umpire of favoritism deserves a disqualification, but calling an umpire a "liar and thief" (free clue: this means you're questioning the integrity of the umpire) and haranguing and badgering him over the course of several games and change of ends doesn't deserve one. Doesn't even deserve a code violation as it received. Real consistent principles you have.
I'm pretty sure Ramos announced why he gave each code violation, so I'm not sure what you mean by "didn't explain anything".
My point exactly. You make rude, snarky remarks and undermine her pain, just because shes rich and famous, as if to say money should cure her of everything she has went and going through. That's extremely disingenuous, and quite disgusting actually.

Sheriff do you actually think before you speak ? You already know what her fans mean when they say the bolded, just stop man seriously. I get it, you don't like, nor a fan of Serena, thats fine, but lets not undermine the things this woman has constantly had to go through, solely because of where she is in her life and the ventures she's had to go through to get there. Just last week she was referred to as "disgusting" for not remembering a ranking(Something Im sure youve defended and agreed with), yet where was this outrage when Giorgi said she never heard of Serena ? Where was this outrage when Stosur said she didn't know who was #1 ? I know for people like you, anything bad that's happened to Serena or will happen, she deserves it, for the simple fact that you dont like her.

I know what she wrote I read it, Serena took responsibility for what she said, and in the heat of the moment, voiced how she felt. Where is this for any of the men when they berate the Umpire ? Nadal has went as far as to have an umpire banned for umpiring his matches, Federer has cursed out plenty of umpires, most notably 2009 USO final against del Potro. Yet nothing is said about them, nor are those incidents held over their heads or used to define them as a person or player, but Serena's incidents are used in the opposite. Which proves her point.

Its amazing that no matter the circumstance, if its in some way putting Serena in a negative light, you defend it with no holds barred. It's almost like any Troll account, Sam L for instance.
Yes, I know what they mean. Depending on the situation, they either vicariously adopt the poise of victory through their goddess' accomplishments, or the position of victim making their goddess out to be a victim of oppression and discrimination. Just asking for a little more consistency on their end.

I don't see her taking any responsibility. She doesn't seem to want to be in the bad books of flavor of the moment, Osaka, for which she got a lot of heated criticism for taking the shine of her triumph (I don't care the least bit about that - Osaka was just fine). But she's never made sincere apologies or sincere acknowledgement of wrongdoing to 3 different officials who she has belittled in insolent, condescending fashion at the US Open. They're obviously too little for her. Celebrity-obsessed as she is, why would she care about those little plebs who had the audacity to make calls she didn't like?

Nadal has never conducted himself like Serena. Ever. Telling an umpire he'll never ref your match again is petulant, but hardly abusive. Federer didn't "curse out" the umpire in the US Open final. He simply "cursed". There is a big difference between cursing when ranting for a few seconds and actually "cursing out" someone. Why are you lying and drawing these false equivalences with the egregious behavior of Serena?
You’re one of my favourite on here! You’re articulation, vocabulary and insight is actually fantastic. Intellectual personified You’re so wasted on these lot... :happy: don’t let people’s insults and general bullying effect you.
 

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You’re one of my favourite on here! You’re articulation, vocabulary and insight is actually fantastic. Intellectual personified You’re so wasted on these lot... :happy: don’t let people’s insults and general bullying effect you.
I don't.
Most of them have put me on ignore anyway.:lol:
 

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This sounds personal to you. Better calm down before you have a stroke or something. SDS is some strong stuff.
you sound like you have experience, thanks for the information, but I don´t need it,

I like how Serena fans use this abreviation (they don´t even have the courage to tell the whole words) to bully pple who think different, but in reality you reveal your own weaknesses, you´re just sad. At least you don´t play the victim as your idol, like "oh I have sds, I had therapy" :rolls:
 

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It wasn't Serena's decision to release the article during Wimbledon.

Serena has 23 Singles Slams.
We don´t know, that USO really affected her, but she´s making this public now, only because she needs relief to play better, otherwise she had never apologized
 

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I'm sorry for... the way the media twisted the narrative :lol: Serena must have taken a masterclass in Kevin Spacey's school of apologising!
:D
 

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This sounds personal to you. Better calm down before you have a stroke or something. SDS is some strong stuff.
you sound like you have experience, thanks for the information, but I don´t need it,

I like how Serena fans use this abreviation (they don´t even have the courage to tell the whole words) to bully pple who think different, but in reality you reveal your own weaknesses, you´re just sad. At least you don´t play the victim as your idol, like "oh I have sds, I had therapy" <img src="https://www.tennisforum.com/images/smilies/rolls.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Rolls" class="inlineimg" />
Exactly people who can’t handle others with a difference of opinion... “better calm down before you have a stroke” how immature and childish can someone get honestly. Obviously someone with very deep-seated issues. Really hope he/she isn’t in their 30’s or 40’s because that really is so embarrassing like grow the f up.

I’m nowhere near that age yet but I massively cringe at people who talk like that who think they’re being witty but actually come across as huge tools... people should know better especially the older guys on here
 
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