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#### Fingon

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This is basically an equation system, I have heard two definitions of Justine that can help us define Serena.

1) Justine is little Serena
2) Justine is a 21 years old Conchita Martinez with a big serve.

Now, let's try to put this in mathematic terms.

What "little" means here? little by age? no, because they are about the same age and I don't think it means Serena as she was when she was "little", so I think little here means small, and if you say small you mean smaller, we can say

S = J * x

where

S = Serena
J = Justine
x = a factor of how much "smaller" Justine is.

Now, the second definition.

a 21 years old Conchita with a big serve. Again, we can use a factor to weight the "21 years old part", I'll call it y and we take out Conchita's serve and add Justine's serve

C = (y * J) - CS + JS

where:

C = Conchita
J = Justine
CS = Conchita's serve
JS = Justine's serve
y = age factor.

if we work this equations we have

1) J = S / x
2) J = (C + CS - JS) / y

wait a moment, we have two J, so we can say

S / x = (C + CS - JS) / y

S = x/y * (C + CS - JS)

what does this tell us?

Serena is Conchita minus Justine's serve + her own serve, multiplied by the relation between Serena and Justine's body and divided by the relation between Conchita and Justine's age.

#### Car Key Boi

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Fingon said:
what does this tell us?
that yuo need to get out more!

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#### Kart

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I just checked out your website. Very nice.

#### Ryan

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Gah, that was the exact type of math we were doing afew months ago. Very nice analysis, it should go in your sig.

#### Kart

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Speaking of signatures, Ryan yours makes me laugh .

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ohhhh my!

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Fingon said:
This is basically an equation system, I have heard two definitions of Justine that can help us define Serena.

1) Justine is little Serena
2) Justine is a 21 years old Conchita Martinez with a big serve.

Now, let's try to put this in mathematic terms.

What "little" means here? little by age? no, because they are about the same age and I don't think it means Serena as she was when she was "little", so I think little here means small, and if you say small you mean smaller, we can say

S = J * x

where

S = Serena
J = Justine
x = a factor of how much "smaller" Justine is.

Now, the second definition.

a 21 years old Conchita with a big serve. Again, we can use a factor to weight the "21 years old part", I'll call it y and we take out Conchita's serve and add Justine's serve

C = (y * J) - CS + JS

where:

C = Conchita
J = Justine
CS = Conchita's serve
JS = Justine's serve
y = age factor.

if we work this equations we have

1) J = S / x
2) J = (C + CS - JS) / y

wait a moment, we have two J, so we can say

S / x = (C + CS - JS) / y

S = x/y * (C + CS - JS)

what does this tell us?

Serena is Conchita minus Justine's serve + her own serve, multiplied by the relation between Serena and Justine's body and divided by the relation between Conchita and Justine's age.
Perfect! :worship:

VivalaSeles

#### CharlDa

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lol...well this is a way to see the realtions between the players! Interesting!

#### maccardel

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oh dear.

I think it's trying to tell us that serena is venus minus 18 months and her name and the month of her birthdate and a few inches in height. I hate math. It took me so long to figure that one out.

#### Astro Jetson

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Fingon said:
This is basically an equation system, I have heard two definitions of Justine that can help us define Serena.

1) Justine is little Serena
2) Justine is a 21 years old Conchita Martinez with a big serve.

Now, let's try to put this in mathematic terms.

What "little" means here? little by age? no, because they are about the same age and I don't think it means Serena as she was when she was "little", so I think little here means small, and if you say small you mean smaller, we can say

S = J * x

where

S = Serena
J = Justine
x = a factor of how much "smaller" Justine is.

Now, the second definition.

a 21 years old Conchita with a big serve. Again, we can use a factor to weight the "21 years old part", I'll call it y and we take out Conchita's serve and add Justine's serve

C = (y * J) - CS + JS

where:

C = Conchita
J = Justine
CS = Conchita's serve
JS = Justine's serve
y = age factor.

if we work this equations we have

1) J = S / x
2) J = (C + CS - JS) / y

wait a moment, we have two J, so we can say

S / x = (C + CS - JS) / y

S = x/y * (C + CS - JS)

what does this tell us?

Serena is Conchita minus Justine's serve + her own serve, multiplied by the relation between Serena and Justine's body and divided by the relation between Conchita and Justine's age.

it's a relief to see that not everybody on this board is a weirdo

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#### CJ07

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Car Key Boi said:
that yuo need to get out more!

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i second that

#### Ryan

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Kart said:
Speaking of signatures, Ryan yours makes me laugh .

Thanks Kart! :wavey:

#### AjdeNate!

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Someone here has a signature that says Math is the Lesbian sister of Biology.... how true.

#### Fingon

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#### CJ07

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well, officially fed-cup counts

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Car Key Boi - "that yuo need to get out more!"

Car Key Boi # of posts - 2,944 (18.22 posts per day)
Fingon # of posts - 2,469 (3.64 posts per day)

So who needs to get out more?

#### Fingon

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mmcdonald said:
well, officially fed-cup counts
One of the reasons why I run a website with statistics is because I decide what counts and what doesn't. Only official WTA tournaments and Grand Slams, no challengers, no qualifying, no fed cup, no olympics, no exhibition, and that's final

#### Brian Stewart

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If Justine is a 21 year old Conchita with a bigger serve, then that levels the age factor, as both are 21. So that intros the new equation where:
J = z • CS + CO

where CS = Conchita's serve
and CO = Conchita's other skills

Let's assume 21-year-old Conchita's average 1st serve speed is ~90 MPH. Let's say Justine's is ~100 MPH. That makes Justine's serve about 10% faster than Conchita's.
(JS = 1.1 • CS)

So we now have

J = (1.1 • CS) + CO

Now disregarding the listed weights, which have Serena only 4 pounds heavier than Justine, let's assume Serena is 10% larger than Justine. That makes X = 1.1
Hence S = 1.1 • J

Substituting the second equation for J, we get
S = 1.1 • ((1.1 • CS) + CO)
or
S = (1.21 • CS) + (1.1 • CO)

If we assumed 21-year-old Conchita's first serves average 90 MPH, then
1.21 • 90 = 108.9
which is a remarkably accurate estimate for Serena's average first serve speed.

Hence, it could be summed up as Serena is equivalent to a 10% improvement over a 21-year-old Conchita's other skills, plus a first serve averaging about 109 MPH.

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Fingon said:
This is basically an equation system, I have heard two definitions of Justine that can help us define Serena.

1) Justine is little Serena
2) Justine is a 21 years old Conchita Martinez with a big serve.

Now, let's try to put this in mathematic terms.

What "little" means here? little by age? no, because they are about the same age and I don't think it means Serena as she was when she was "little", so I think little here means small, and if you say small you mean smaller, we can say

S = J * x

where

S = Serena
J = Justine
x = a factor of how much "smaller" Justine is.

Now, the second definition.

a 21 years old Conchita with a big serve. Again, we can use a factor to weight the "21 years old part", I'll call it y and we take out Conchita's serve and add Justine's serve

C = (y * J) - CS + JS

where:

C = Conchita
J = Justine
CS = Conchita's serve
JS = Justine's serve
y = age factor.

if we work this equations we have

1) J = S / x
2) J = (C + CS - JS) / y

wait a moment, we have two J, so we can say

S / x = (C + CS - JS) / y

S = x/y * (C + CS - JS)

what does this tell us?

Serena is Conchita minus Justine's serve + her own serve, multiplied by the relation between Serena and Justine's body and divided by the relation between Conchita and Justine's age.
I have to disagree, Henin gets a lot of balls back, and uses slice as a good part of her game, but she does not plays that MOONBALL and boring Conchita Martinez´s game, she actually can hit the ball from both sides. Conchita can´t maintain a hard-power hitting rally.

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