[Aaron.]

Ok after going through the stats

1st serve percentage - Serena >> Rybakina
*Serena consistently served around 59-62% first serves on average while Rybakina is around 54-55%

1st serve points won - Serena > Rybakina
*Both very close, Serena is averaging around 76% while Rybakina is around 72-73%

2nd serve points won - Rybakina = Serena
*Very Close, Rybakina is averaging 52% second serve points won, while Serena is about the same. Although Serena's worst serving years had her around 46-48% which Rybakina hasn't dropped below 50% yet.

Overall serve points won - Serena > Rybakina
*Serena is averaging 66-67% serve points won, while Rybakina is around 63-64%. Again very close

Service Games Held - Serena > Rybakina
84% average for Serena, 80% for Rybakina

 

[Wasabi.]

Oh now saying it's close instead of that on par statement before huh, yet there's a mismatch in the thread title and your comment in OP? Sis the figures you pulled do back up Serena's superiority. Let's close this thread and call it a day.

 

[Aaron.]

Oh now saying it's close instead of that on par statement before huh, yet there's a mismatch in the thread title and your comment in OP? Sis the figures you pulled do back up Serena's superiority. Let's close this thread and call it a day.

On par and close are similar terms.

We don't know if Rybakina has peaked yet, her 2023 numbers are better than 2022 so lets see if she can improve her serve further.

But yes her serve numbers are close to Serena's.

 

[Wasabi.]

On par and close are similar terms.

We don't know if Rybakina has peaked yet, her 2023 numbers are better than 2022 so lets see if she can improve her serve further.

But yes her serve numbers are close to Serena's.

No they are not on par.

 

[Aaron.]

No they are not on par.

I'm comparing early Rybakina serve stats with PEAK Serena's stats. Serena didn't have those numbers when she was early in her career.

and you're the same person who said Parks was more talented than Gauff when homegurl can't win a match on an outdoor court.

 

[Correspond]

I think it's hard to say right now bc Rybakina is still new-ish to the tour, so people might not be as used to returning it or reading it and that's why the stats are so high for her. Maybe they will decline as players get used to her patterns, spins, etc.

In Serena's prime years, she often played opponents she had played multiple times, and they were still made to look like they had never faced her serve before because Serena had that perfect disguise.

Just some other things to consider beyond stats.

 

[Aaron.]

I think it's hard to say right now bc Rybakina is still new-ish to the tour, so people might not be as used to returning it or reading it and that's why the stats are so high for her. Maybe they will decline as players get used to her patterns, spins, etc.

In Serena's prime years, she often played opponents she had played multiple times, and they were still made to look like they had never faced her serve before because Serena had that perfect disguise.

Just some other things to consider beyond stats.

Serena didn't come out the gates with these amazing serve stats like we see in 2010-2016. I can bet her first years on tour her serve was not as effective. She mastered her serve later in her career which could be the case for Rybakina also.

 

[Wasabi.]

I'm comparing early Rybakina serve stats with PEAK Serena's stats. Serena didn't have those numbers when she was early in her career.

and you're the same person who said Parks was more talented than Gauff when homegurl can't win a match on an outdoor court.

Off topic on your own thread?

Elena hasn't done better than this yet so at the moment they are her peak stats. She is 24 soon and it doesn't have to get better.

 

[Aaron.]

Off topic on your own thread?

Elena hasn't done better than this yet so at the moment they are her peak stats. She is 24 soon and it doesn't have to get better.

Yeah because ALL players peak at 24...Serena's best serving stats came at 30.

I'm done responding to you.

 

[Aga-esque]

Well a players biggest weapon doesn't just dissapear overnight.

And people forget Serena had periods of time where her serve was lackluster. From 2004-2007 her serve was just meh. I think her serve peak was around 2010-2012 when she started working with Patrick.

Pliskova's serve has certainly weakened from her peak. It does happen.

 

[Aaron.]

Pliskova's serve has certainly weakened from her peak. It does happen.

Her whole game weakened.

 

[Raiden]

I wonder if someone can pull stats from more matches, I don't have the time right now, but it's clear Rybakina is the best server since Serena, and is on par with her in terms of serve stats.

That only means "since 2022".

 

[Racketboi]

She's playing against weak returners. Serena faced some of the best returners and still managed to win an average of 88% points won on first serve for over 2 decades.

 

[Wasabi.]

Rybakina isn't the undisputed best server yet this year. Garcia/Rybakina are 1/2 both ways on aces and 1st serve win% and Garcia leads her on service games won by 86 to 83%. Garcia has the better 1st serve% by far and higher total service points won. It's close.

Looking at this seriously Rybakina hasn't been the undisputed best server in a year in her career so far. This is a great opportunity to give credit where it's due to Pliskova, Barty and Osaka who have been the best servers since Serena. And Serena was the best since Serena after her comeback too. 🙂

2021 A/DFs 1st serve win%

Pliskova 387/295 72
Barty 325/155 75.1
Rybakina 301/165 71.5
Osaka 137/59 75.7
S. Williams 87/45 72.3

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2022: Garcia best with aces and Osaka/Qinwen best 1st serve win%, Samsonova best service game win%. Rybakina most consistent across stats IMO.

2016 Pliskova hit an absolutely obscene 530/174 A/DF

 

[Geisha]

Based on what thought? Do you have stats?

having a brain

 

[Aaron.]

Rybakina isn't the undisputed best server yet this year. Garcia/Rybakina are 1/2 both ways on aces and 1st serve win% and Garcia leads her on service games won by 86 to 83%. Garcia has the better 1st serve% by far and higher total service points won. It's close.

Looking at this seriously Rybakina hasn't been the undisputed best server in a year in her career so far. This is a great opportunity to give credit where it's due to Pliskova, Barty and Osaka who have been the best servers since Serena. And Serena was the best since Serena after her comeback too. 🙂

2021 A/DFs 1st serve win%

Pliskova 387/295 72
Barty 325/155 75.1
Rybakina 301/165 71.5
Osaka 137/59 75.7
S. Williams 87/45 72.3

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2022: Garcia best with aces and Osaka/Qinwen best 1st serve win%, Samsonova best service game win%. Rybakina most consistent across stats IMO.

2016 Pliskova hit an absolutely obscene 530/174 A/DF

If only Garcia could return serve

 

[Wasabi.]

If only Garcia could return serve

She will never learn how to but I supported Safarova so I'm ready for it.

 

[KardedKing]

Statistics can be deceiving. Rybakina has a really powerful and effective serve, but it doesn't come close to Serena's as far as overall quality.

This reminds me of when Kyrgios was saying how he didn't like playing mixed doubles with Serena because she wanted to do everything, including serve first. He said he was thinking: "Hold on. I'm better than you." While Kyrgios may hit a harder serve than Serena (obviously), he still has an inferior serve to Serena's because a smart tennis player would rather have all of the attributes of Serena's serve under pressure than Kyrgios' serve. I am talking about disguise, clutchness, free points, speed, placement, and variety.

Serena's serve is the greatest shot in the history of women's tennis, and there are several men who would have much better careers with Serena's serve. This isn't because it is the hardest serve that has ever been hit. The disguise on Serena's serve is unlike anything I have ever seen before. Also, the motion is the most fluid, which is why it was able to hold up for over two decades on the tour. Rybakina has a very good serve, but the motion could be improved. There is a slight lag between the toss and contact that if she smoothed out, she could get even more power on the serve.

 

[RobertoS.S.&J.H.]

Yeah, she indeed has a killer serve. If only this will also win her a big amount of slams and overall titles in the future. She's such a dangerous challenge for Iga.

 

[vswfan]

Well a players biggest weapon doesn't just dissapear overnight.

And people forget Serena had periods of time where her serve was lackluster. From 2004-2007 her serve was just meh. I think her serve peak was around 2010-2012 when she started working with Patrick.

Her serve was great in 2007, it even let her win a set from Henin at Wimbledon when she had no leg and no left hand.
She only started working with Mouratoglou before 2012 Wimbledon. A lot of fan actually complained that Patrick made her serve worse in 2013-2014.