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No one is looking at this from the NCAA's perspective.. Why the changes? Well did you watch all the televised NCAA championship events lately.. Did you see Women's Softball? College Baseball? This is becoming a BIG TIME TV MONEYMAKER.. All of this is to set up ESPNU, or NBC Sports Network, or CBS Sports Network to bid on the rights to televise NCAA Tennis.. Final 4 Big Money. You have to admit the quality will be there. When you get to a final 4 in tennis, 1 - 6 in the lineup are good solid players, just below WTA, or high Challenger level. It can be packaged and sold as such, and because it has a pro ATP and WTA level after, it can be sold as up and coming future stars.... Now lets set the format for TV.. Shorter matches.. Let's move it to bigger Venues!..Stop and think.. This is about money... Big Money..., and it makes sense... So all of you traditionalist, sorry... but that don't pay the bills... Just think about it...
 

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When was the last time that the NCAA singles match finals were on television? A long time ago, and there is no problem scheduling those matches. No, this is about blindness. It doesn't take long to think about that, and was there any agreement to share the pie in the sky.
 

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The NCAA doesn't do anything without thinking about money.. This is to sell the rights to NCAA Tennis, and "they" believe they need to clean it up to put it in a format that is palatable for the viewer.. MONEY. Just 2 years ago, ESPN televised the selection show. ESPNU has carried the finals.. Now NBC Sports, needs programming... sports programming, and like CBS Sports, and others, the NCAA see's a potential to sell and package this to TV. All these new Sports Networks are begging to buy programming (Just ask the Big East in Football, when it goes to bid after ESPN's exclusive rights expire). So, we shall see, but I bet you'll see Tennis on TV when you get to the final 4, and I bet millions are passed around... so, again..slow down and follow the money
 

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I don't believe the money is there, or that TV is that desperate to televise tennis, because lots of tennis goes un-televised. But if they seriously believe the money is there, then the sharing agreement should be spelled out in contract detail, not some unstated future non-promise. Tell the top teams, if your in the final four, you're guaranteed take is, $XXXX.00 and percentage of the ...
 

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Any money is new money for NCAA Tennis. With advent of Big10 Network, and NBC Sports Network.. The money is there... They are now searching for programming.. If I would have asked you to tell me who is going to watch NCAA Women's Softball Prelims, and Finals... ah... just 4 years ago... You would have said what you said earlier... well guess what it scored HUGE rating this year... They made a bundle on it.. And it has no PRO entity beyound "barnstorming". Oh, and by the way, little girls all over this country now want what they saw.. being TV stars playing softball... Stop and now think about NCAA Tennis.. it's the next big sport they will "tinker" with.. So what if they didn't ask "the experts" and "traditionalists".. Don't take it personal players, but they don't care what you think. They are only thinking how can this NEW FOUND money fund someone's pockets... Remember the saying... follow the money... not the passion. It's just business, and last we saw Teams were cutting funding on non Football-Basketball sports...
 

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Any money is new money for NCAA Tennis. With advent of Big10 Network, and NBC Sports Network.. The money is there... They are now searching for programming.. If I would have asked you to tell me who is going to watch NCAA Women's Softball Prelims, and Finals... ah... just 4 years ago... You would have said what you said earlier... well guess what it scored HUGE rating this year... They made a bundle on it.. And it has no PRO entity beyound "barnstorming". Oh, and by the way, little girls all over this country now want what they saw.. being TV stars playing softball... Stop and now think about NCAA Tennis.. it's the next big sport they will "tinker" with.. So what if they didn't ask "the experts" and "traditionalists".. Don't take it personal players, but they don't care what you think. They are only thinking how can this NEW FOUND money fund someone's pockets... Remember the saying... follow the money... not the passion. It's just business, and last we saw Teams were cutting funding on non Football-Basketball sports...
Yeah, there was previously no girls' softball on television, and lots of people play or have played softball. There is women and men's tennis on television. So adding a watered down version is going to attract what identifiable group.

So to answer you, I would not have said that four years ago, and they are not at all comparable.
 

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Yeah, there was previously no girls' softball on television, and lots of people play or have played softball. There is women and men's tennis on television. So adding a watered down version is going to attract what identifiable group.

So to answer you, I would not have said that four years ago, and they are not at all comparable.
It's going to attract a lot of people who play tennis.. all ages and all groups... Same as all of the players in country clubs, tennis clubs, high schools, public parks.. Gee, thanks for making my point.

Even more so than those who actually "used to play" softball. More are actually still playing tennis... In case you haven't checked, recently but you don't see a 30 and under, 40 and under, 50 and under, 60 and under, 70 and under Womens' softball league... But you do in tennis... Remember follow the money...

But it's not a debate... not unless you are on the board of the NCAA. They are going to do what they want to bring in the money. That's the force driving the change. TV does that... not what you or I think. It's what they do.. I'm just laughing at everyones passion. Like they are going to listen to us.. not!

But it will be interesting as you say to see who get's what... again... follow the money.
 

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One other thing. Never underestimate people desire to either follow their local college, or alma mater...Especially if you now have an avenue via TV Sports Programming.. Evil Empire (Stanford) will be the new Yankees!! LOL! "Buying" all of the top US Girls... But really all kidding aside, you have to understand just how much available TV time or Programming is out there.. Networks are looking everywhere to find the next "thing".. College sports always gets people's attention.. no different than the big boys of football and basketball. And now even Women's sports, basketball, softball and anything else they can "package" to the networks.. and SELL... Not trying to instigate anyone... I just want you to understand that all of the big boy sports start somewhere... and that's how it grows.. This change is to kick start that growth. It is amazing to see colleges treat women's sports as an "after thought".. why? The Money. So if you want respect, understand that TV changes the game... Every major sport (NFL, NBA,etc has changed rules, becuase of what... TV... the money that pays the bills... That's the point.
 

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Gee, thanks for making my point.

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Not the first time I've been told I need to improve my writing. :)

But softball was in a different place in the money world of supply and demand models. No one was supplying softball on television, so the price was unknown, and it surprised people that the price was that good. Entities have been supplying women tennis on television, so we have a pretty good idea what the market price is. And as tennis fans, we can wish that more people would want to watch tennis on television and by quantity effect lower the market price for all, the market price is relatively established.
 

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One other thing. Never underestimate people desire to either follow their local college, or alma mater...Especially if you now have an avenue via TV Sports Programming.. Evil Empire (Stanford) will be the new Yankees!! LOL! "Buying" all of the top US Girls... But really all kidding aside,
Most of the "experts" think the opposite, that Stanford has years of already "buying" most of the top US girls, so nothing new there. Most traditional experts are saying that this will end college tennis as a pathway to the pros, which is a feature that has benefited Stanford and its peers.
 

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College tennis may prove to be a new "buy"... College allegience may spur renewed interest... The US has lost a lot of WTA Events in the last 20 years. why? Maybe college tennis on TV can halp rejuvenate interest. you never know.. I put my money on anything that promotes more TV exposure, will mean more revenue from Suppliers, manufactures, pro tournaments, etc. Again.. something is more than they get now.

But hey... you know what you can say... "any" dollars coming in are good dollars, and as far as Women's College Tennis is concerned.. Just ask the dying Men's programs. Currently the women only get what title IX gives them... But really... today I had a chance to look at the actual document, thanks to Zoo Tennis... And bingo... TV is written all over it... they also use other words, fan friendly, etc, but TV is the idea... I don't have a positive or negative opinion of what happenned... I'm just saying why it happenned.

As far as a "draconian" view of the "end of college tennis as a pathway".. please... why do traditionalist and experts use drama to make a point... People throw up hands and predict doom... oh boy.. It won't be the end of college tennis... It may be the beginning of some really exciting 3 hour matches that fit into the programming slots that networks may pay someone millions to fill... When little girls are watching Florida vs. Stanford on TV, and all of Northern Florida is following and the "water cooler talk" is about them Gators, and the camera's are swithing from court to court in rapid sequence, and they are watchng at the tennis club or with thier parents, dreaming of being there (because only so few become Venus and Serena - but all these confernces, are now giving this new exposure)and if not them, then lets' make the Golden Domers champs.. guess what.. that helps Womens' College Tennis...To the NCAA, welcome to the real world, the one where they can make money on it and expand it's marketing.

As far as a path to the pros is concerned.. that is a different debate.. and one that really hasn't been proven even today in women's tennis for 4 year players... so few follow that path and of course we have exceptions... but shorter matches, and WTT thrills not withstandinig... you can still play pro tennis in the summer and fall, and still become a pro while playing in season at your college (while getting that degree - as your fall back)... so let's not write the obit too soon on College Tennis Pro Path Death...
 

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The US has lost a lot of WTA Events, …College tennis didn't cause that, … So are you suggesting that Nicole Gibbs has to save Serena Williams.

Don't say “any” dollar is a good dollar, … Joe Paterno is a lesson that blinding oneself to chase any $ and television is costly. Please, lets not chase bad dollars.

That networks may pay someone millions to fill … still pie in the sky without any contract saying who would get the millions. More likely road show flim-flam. So show me the money details who get the profit, and who eats it if it loses. Or better, let the NCAA escrow a performance bond, and if the ITA franchise loses millions of dollars of value because of this, turn it over.
 

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This of course also assumes that all telecasts will be live...:haha: That won't happen, maybe just for the NCAA championships but not your conference duals. They edit the replays of the NCAA champs when they were live so why not just edit and keep things the same?
 

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On Friday morning USTA national released the following statement: "The USTA is aware of the proposed format changes being made by the NCAA Division I Men's and Women's Tennis Committee to the NCAA Division I Men's and Women's Tennis Championships. Working with the Intercollegiate Tennis Association (ITA), the USTA is preparing a joint opposition letter to these changes. The letter will be distributed to the committee in advance of its Monday, August 20th meeting."

http://www.florida.usta.com/news/usta_fl_friday_blog_college_tennis_firestorm_weekend_tv111/
 

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MASON, Ohio—Changes in the format of college tennis announced by the N.C.A.A. Wednesday have drawn a furious and seemingly one-sided response across social media, with players and coaches weighing in with their objections.

Under the new rules, singles matches will no longer be played as a full best-of-three, but with a first-to-10-points tiebreaker played in lieu of a third set. Doubles has also been shortened from an eight-game pro-set to one six-game set, and the gap between the doubles matches and singles will be only five minutes. Changeovers have been reduced from 90 to 60 seconds, and opponents will no longer warm up with one another before playing. The changes only apply to Division I matches.

The rationales given were that no other collegiate sport makes its athletes compete for up to four-and-a-half hours in a day, and that a shorter duration would be more media- and fan-friendly.

“By shortening the format and bringing greater excitement to the dual match, programs will be able to attract fan support and attention to tennis,” the N.C.A.A. said.

An additional clause in the rationale section of the decision explained that shortened tennis matches would be more television-friendly, despite college tennis never having had much of any footprint on television.

“The shortened format may provide exposure opportunities through television coverage, live streaming and local media coverage,” the N.C.A.A. said. “It is difficult and cost prohibitive for television to air a 4.5 hour college tennis match. In addition, it is very challenging for local media (television or print) to watch and cover an entire dual match. Therefore, the sport lacks local and national coverage, which will be improved with a format that consistently finishes within a three-hour time frame.”

As soon as the changes were confirmed, the backlash on social media was nearly instant. A Facebook group opposing the reforms quickly gained more than 2,000 members, and the hashtag “#savecollegetennis” was created.

“Well looks like effective September 1st I can start eating all the burgers I want since I won’t be playing any three set matches,” tweeted Emina Bektas of the University of Michigan.

“This new NCAA tennis format is a total joke,” tweeted Aaron Pfister of Michigan State. “Beyond disappointed to hear about it. Changes the way matches will go 100%. #furious”

Pfister added: “I think people looking to go pro will look to avoid college tennis because those format matches don’t help.”

“Disturbing news re: future NCAA tennis format,” tweeted University of Georgia coach Manny Diaz. “Will kill our college game as we know it today.”

“Or we could just flip a coin for doubles point,” Diaz added. “That would shorten it. Don’t see baseball playing 6 innings or BB 3 quarters.”

Reaction was also negative from overseas, as Mark Edney of Athlete Development for Tennis Australia also tweeted his disapproval.

“The more I think of it, the new NCAA rules may be a detriment,” Edney said. “Recruiting athletes could be impossible as it is not longer ‘real’ tennis.

N.C.A.A. champion Nicole Gibbs of Stanford was also outspoken about the changes. “@NCAA thank you for reducing my sport to a joke at the collegiate level #wasteoftime,” she tweeted.

“I play tennis for tennis, not for tv coverage and frat boy attendance,” Gibbs added. “Playing a tb for a third set compromises the integrity of the sport!”

Recent Stanford grad Bradley Klahn agreed.

“It is unfortunate that in this era media accessibility and popularity trumps the best interests of those student athletes who have sacrificed much to achieve their dreams,” Klahn tweeted. “You can’t sell your program as a stepping stone to pro tennis with super breakers for a third set.”

“I don’t think I love it,” said Brian Baker, the current A.T.P. No. 78 and a former coach at Belmont University. “Just for the fact that, typically, the shorter the match, the more luck that can come into play, and sometimes the better team doesn’t always come out on top. I know maybe they did it to try to shorten some matches, you know, try to get it done earlier, but I would rather see the full third play out. It adds another element of fitness to it, and that’s a big part of tennis. That’s why the Grand Slams are played three-out-of-five, to try to get the best players to win. I guess it’s going to have to play out and see how it goes, but I would think that most of the people that have played college tennis would prefer to play the longer match, just because you feel like you have more chances to showcase who’s the better player.”

“If college is used as developmental step for kids to then play on tour, it would help if it was the same scoring, obviously,” said Rajeev Ram, the current A.T.P. No. 100 in singles and No. 55 in doubles who played one semester of college tennis at Illinois before turning professional. “If I’m going into a match knowing that all I’ve got to do is win one set and then I’m into a breaker, I think I would play a little differently. And out here that never happens.”

Ram said that the new scoring system would have hurt the appeal of college tennis to him as a stepping stone to the professional ranks.

“I think it would, just because I think it’s not the same,” he said. “And there’s a big part of fitness, a big part of spending time to figure out your opponent that now is kind of taken away from you a little bit, because you don’t have that luxury of playing your way in, seeing if it’s going to work, maybe if it doesn’t work then changing it. By the time that happens you already know that the best you can do is a breaker.”

Ram appeared skeptical about the possibility for massive improvement in media coverage for college tennis, one of the intended results of the change.

“If all the sudden college tennis becomes a media phenomenon, then I’m going to give it to them,” he said. “I mean, I was fortunate to be on a team where we would have 800 to 1,000 people come to our matches.”

“I think there’s still a lot of benefit to it,” he said of college tennis. “You still get practices, you still get ability to play with the team, a coach, and everything is taken care of. I think they can get a lot of benefit from that, even if the matches are not like normal conditions.”


Credit. This is the NY Times artile by Ben Rothenberg. The accompanying photo is Nicole Gibbs returning serve against Serena William.
 

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I got where I am bc of college tennis. The new proposed rule changes will b detrimental 2 player development. If its not broken don't fix it
 
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