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I thought Kim's number one was safe until the Open? Anyone with more expertise in rankings have more information?

This is being reported in the Canadian press:

"Kim Clijsters falls out of Rogers AT&T Cup and world No. 1 ranking
Updated at 21:22 on August 14, 2003, EST.
TORONTO (CP) - Kim Clijsters' reign as the top-ranked female tennis player in the world was cut short, on a day when power for eastern Canada and the United States was cut out.
In just her second match as the world No. 1, the top-seeded Belgian was defeated 1-6, 6-4, 6-1, by unseeded Russian Lina Krasnoroutskaya in the third round of the $1.325-million US Rogers AT&T Cup on Thursday.
That means when the new WTA computer rankings come out next week, she'll be back in the No. 2 slot behind American Serena Williams. "I don't care," she said of losing the title. "I've been there. It was nice."
 

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Um whomever wrote this was wrong. Kim lost in the same round last year I believe (could be wrong on this one), and it DEFINATELY wasn't one of her best 17 results.
 

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No...this is WRONG! Heard it on tv also, so annoying... Kim does not lose any points as her 17th tournament is 200 points, so for sure losing in Toronto has NO impact... and yes she is safe until the e3nd of the US (where Justine has a chance, not Serena)
 

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mboyle said:
Um whomever wrote this was wrong. Kim lost in the same round last year I believe (could be wrong on this one), and it DEFINATELY wasn't one of her best 17 results.
thanks, that is what I thought too. she did lose in the third round last year, like she did this year. I just don't understand how she could lose points this week. Then again, the rankings are a total mystery to me.
 

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The power outage must have affected the rankings computers!! LOL!! I think it's a good thing that Clijsters doesn't know. It shows she's not obsessed with the rankings, or looking at the points. Hingis is the only one I remember who definitely monitored her ranking points.
 

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Assuming that quote was even true ;)
 

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There is a need for real tennis reporters. When llyeton lost in his opening round this week, all the australian channels reported that this wasn't a good sign 'ahead of this USO title defense'. Not one channel even corrected or seemed to know that it was Sampras who won it last year.
You'd think if they were paid to watch tennis, they would at least get their facts right. Looks like it is the wtaworld and it's opinion polls that provide this information. Only problem is someone is reading last year's thread! :rolleyes:
 

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The WTA TOUR Rankings system incorporates a player's performance in tournament play and their record against other players. The ranking is based on the 52-week cumulative of the players results at 17 tournaments.


Kim Clijsters

Week of Tournament Points Result Tier
2002-11-04 WTA Championships 750 WON Champ.
2003-05-26 Roland Garros 646 F Grand Slam
2003-03-03 Indian Wells 459 WON I
2003-06-23 Wimbledon 440 SF Grand Slam
2003-01-13 Australian Open 432 SF Grand Slam
2003-05-12 Rome 402 WON I
2002-10-04 Filderstadt, Germany 378 WON II
2003-01-06 Sydney 350 WON II
2003-08-10 Los Angeles 298 WON II
2003-05-05 Berlin 295 F I
2003-07-21 Stanford 264 WON II
2003-07-28 San Diego 237 F II
2003-03-17 Miami 235 SF I
2003-02-10 Antwerp 235 F II
2002-09-16 Toyota Princess Cup at Tokyo 210 F II
2003-06-16 's-Hertogenbosch 208 WON III
2002-10-21 Luxembourg 200 WON III
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Total points 17 best tournaments: 6039 points

2003-02-24 Scottsdale 170 F II
2002-08-26 U.S. Open 122 4e round Grand Slam
2002-10-14 Zurich, Switzerland 107 QF I
2002-09-23 Leipzig, Germany 94 SF II
2003-08-14 Montreal, Canada 57 3e round I

(2002-08-12 Montreal, Canada 48 3e round I)


http://www.wtatour.com/assets/story_pdf/2003_POINT_CARD.pdf
 

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Wow, someone is making up the news complete with quotes. It is so painfully obvious that Kim cannot lose her ranking next week that I find it impossible to believe she would think so. Someone is fabricating.
 

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The article is not a fake, but it was incomplete.

Here it is in it's entirety:




Kim Clijsters falls out of Rogers AT&T Cup and world No. 1 ranking

JULIE SCOTT
Canadian Press


Thursday, August 14, 2003

CREDIT: (CP/Paul Chiasson)

Top ranked Kim Clijsters of Belgium tosses the ball for a serve Thursday. The Belgian was defeated by unseeded Russian Lina Krasnoroutskaya. (CP/Paul Chiasson)

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TORONTO (CP) - Kim Clijsters' reign as the top-ranked female tennis player in the world was cut short, on a day when power for eastern Canada and the United States was cut out.

In just her second match as the world No. 1, the top-seeded Belgian was defeated 1-6, 6-4, 6-1, by unseeded Russian Lina Krasnoroutskaya in the third round of the $1.325-million US Rogers AT&T Cup on Thursday.

That means when the new WTA computer rankings come out next week, she'll be back in the No. 2 slot behind American Serena Williams.

"I don't care," she said of losing the title. "I've been there. It was nice."

Clijsters' compatriot Justine Henin-Hardenne, the No. 2 seed had an easier time, defeating Russia's Nadia Petrova 6-3, 7-5, in an evening match that started 15 minutes early due to a power outage that paralysed some of eastern Canada and United States. The extra time was needed in order to get the match in before darkness fell.

"There was a lot of traffic so I was nervous in the car coming back from the hotel," Henin-Hardenne said of how the power outage affected her. "We didn't know what to expect. If we were going to play or what time. It was an amazing situation. For sure it affects the players.

"If we have to finish this match tomorrow, it's hard for both players," she added.

Some of the National Tennis Centre was being powered by generators but organizers wanted fans to be able to leave the facility in daylight. The only casualty of the power outage was a second-round doubles match, which was rescheduled for Friday.

Clijsters wasn't the only seeded player to struggle Thursday. Ninth-seeded Elena Dementieva of Russia downed No. 5 Anastasia Myskina of Russia 2-6, 6-1, 6-1 and unseeded Elena Bovina of Russia ousted No. 7 seed Amanda Coetzer of South Africa, 6-2, 6-1. No. 8 seed Jelena Dokic of Serbia and Montenegro had a tough day, going down 6-3, 6-2 to 10th-seeded Russian Vera Zvonareva while Paola Suarez of Argentina eliminated No. 4 seed Daniela Hantuchova of Slovakia.

No. 3 and defending champion Amelie Mauresmo of France had a better day, defeating Fabiola Zuluaga of Colombia 6-4, 6-2.

In Friday's quarter-finals, Suarez will face Zvonareva, Bovina will play Henin-Hardenne, Krasnoroutskaya will play Katarina Srebotnik of Slovenia and Dementieva will face Mauresmo.

Clijsters vaulted into the No. 1 spot last weekend after she defeated American Lindsay Davenport in the final at the JPMorgan Chase Open in California.

While she hasn't won a Grand Slam title, she was rewarded for her consistent play on the tour.

Prior to arriving in Toronto, Clijsters had been in the semifinals of all 14 tournaments she'd entered this season, including at the Australian Open, French Open and Wimbledon.

The computer rankings are based on a player's best 17 tournaments over the preceding 52 weeks.

But could she have paid a price for her consistency Thursday? Critics say she plays far too many matches in one season and so far this year she's played a whopping 76 times.

She admitted to being tired Thursday but said it wasn't because of burnout.

"I just don't think I had the right preparation coming into this tournament especially with the travelling," said Clijsters, adding she got just five hours of sleep Wednesday night.

"But I decided to play. But I think today was just one match too much. I just ran out of batteries in the second and third (sets) . . . I think I was mentally a little bit tired."

When asked if she needs to cut back on the number of matches she plays, Clijsters replied with a firm negative.

"I'm not saying that I played too many matches and that's why I got tired," she insisted. "I'm just saying that with the preparation coming into the tournament, there has been many things happening with the jet lag and stuff."

Henin-Hardenne said she also battled jet lag.

"I needed four days to be almost ready," she said. "It's probably the worst jet lag I've ever had. Three hours is not good."

It initially appeared that Clijsters was going to crush Krasnoroutskaya in straight sets. The first set took just 17 minutes.

But then the Belgian started losing steam. She was broken in the fourth game of the second set and it was downhill from there. She made several unforced errors and was broken three more times before it was over.

Krasnoroutskaya, who is coached by her parents, called it the biggest win of her career.

"I felt like I could beat her, especially in the third set when she started to make easy mistakes," she said. "I didn't believe it until I won match point. My hands were shaking at 5-1."

Young Russians are dominating the tournament. There were six that advanced to the round of 16. All but Myskina and Petrova advanced to the quarter-finals. When asked why there are so many young Russians playing well right now, Krasnoroutskaya was stumped.

"That's the favourite question of everyone," she said. "I just don't know."

Clijsters said Russians all play the same type of game.

"They all hit the ball, almost the same strokes and the same pace," she said. "And they hardly make any mistakes. Russian tennis has got a great future."

While the Russian sensations are turning heads, they are far from household names. Just pronouncing Krasnoroutskaya (kras-nor-OOT-skeye-uh) can be a challenge.

The tournament was originally billed as having "the best field ever" but that field was weakened by the withdrawal of top players Serena and Venus Williams, Jennifer Capriati and fan favourite Monica Seles.

Capriati pulled out last weekend, just hours before the draw was set.

Clijsters said she felt an obligation to play.

"A lot of players pulled out already so I didn't really want to make that decision," said Clijsters. "For the tournament, I didn't want to do that. I'm definitely not looking for excuses but I'm just saying I didn't have the right preparation when I got here."

© Copyright 2003 The Canadian Press

http://www.canada.com/sports/story.html?id=373EC59D-9A6C-43B5-9977-D9B55931219F
 

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whatever.
 

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I'm not saying the article was fake, I'm saying the author made shit up and figured she would get away with it. After that New York Times debacle, I wonder how her editor would feel if I explained the reasons why a good portion of the article must be complete fabrication.
 

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Justine has to win the Rogers AT&T Cup and the US open to be ranked #1 (Kim also needs to lose in the first four rounds at the US open).


winner:300 round points
F:210 round points
SF:135 round points
QF:75 round points

Losers’ Rank Points
1 = 100
2 * = 75
3 = 66
4 = 55
5 = 50
6-10 = 43
11-16 = 35
17-25 = 23
26-35 = 15
36-50 = 10
51-75 = 8
76-120 = 4
121-250 = 2
251-500 = 1
501- > = 0

Rank name quality points
48 Bartoli: 10 points
22 Petrova: 23 points
21ste Bovina: 23 points
SF 6de Mauresmo: 43 points
F 16de Zvonareva: 35 points


SF: 15 Dementieva: 35 points
F: 43 Srebotnik: 10 punten

Max. points to earn for Justine : 300 round points + 134 quality points = 434 points

Min. points to earn for Justine when she win this tournament: 300 round points + 101 quality points = 401 points.


17the best tournament drops off: 101 points(Miami)
Justine gets min. 5307 or max. 5340 points when she wins the AT&T Cup in Toronto.

Justine also has to win the US open (and when Kim lose in first four rounds) to get #1.

When Kim win the US open............you better get used on it for a year......if she stay injury free.

I don't see the Williams Sisters playing 17 tournaments and Justine can't improve much (besides a few tournaments) in points, because she also plays more then 17 tournaments.


Justine Henin Hardenne

Week of Tournament Points Result Tier
2003-05-26 Roland Garros 1156 WON Grand Slam
2003-01-13 Australian Open 460 SF Grand Slam
2003-05-05 Berlin 440 WON I
2003-04-07 Charleston 420 WON I
2003-07-28 San Diego 391 WON II
2003-06-23 Wimbledon 370 SF Grand Slam
2003-02-17 Dubai 324 WON II
2002-10-27 Linz 311 WON II
2002-10-20 Zurich 169 SF I
2002-11-06 Championsh 144 Champ.
2002-09-29 Leipzig 127 SF
2003-04-14 Amalia Island 127 SF II
2003-01-06 Sydney 126 SF II
2002-09-08 US Open 122 4e ronde Grand Slam
2003-06-16 's-Hertogenbosch 114 F III
2003-02-10 Antwerp 105 SF II
2003-03-17 Miami 101 QF I
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Total points 17 best tournaments: 5007 points


greetings

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I just think the author was mistaken. Obviously someone in the press conference told Kim she wasn't going to be #1 next week. I don't know if it was the author, but I guess the whole press that was there thought she was losing the #1 rank.
 

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Kim doesn't lose here #1 ranking!!!!

If Serena needs 8 weeks of rest.....she only doesn't lose the points from the US open, but also from Princess Cup at Tokyo and Leipzig, Germany
That's -1595 points........total points of 4400 points

Kim Clijsters

Week of Tournament Points Result Tier
2002-11-04 WTA Championships 750 WON Champ.
2003-05-26 Roland Garros 646 F Grand Slam
2003-03-03 Indian Wells 459 WON I
2003-06-23 Wimbledon 440 SF Grand Slam
2003-01-13 Australian Open 432 SF Grand Slam
2003-05-12 Rome 402 WON I
2002-10-04 Filderstadt, Germany 378 WON II
2003-01-06 Sydney 350 WON II
2003-08-10 Los Angeles 298 WON II
2003-05-05 Berlin 295 F I
2003-07-21 Stanford 264 WON II
2003-07-28 San Diego 237 F II
2003-03-17 Miami 235 SF I
2003-02-10 Antwerp 235 F II
2002-09-16 Toyota Princess Cup at Tokyo 210 F II
2003-06-16 's-Hertogenbosch 208 WON III
2002-10-21 Luxembourg 200 WON III
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Total points 17 best tournaments: 6039 points


Serena Williams

Week of Tournament Points Result Tier
2003-06-23 Wimbledon 1110 WON Grand Slam
2003-01-13 Australian Open 1048 WON Grand Slam
2003-05-26 Roland Garros 506 SF Grand Slam
2002-11-04 WTA Championships 484 F Champ.
2003-03-17 Miami 493 WON I
2003-04-07 Charleston 305 F I
2002-09-23 Leipzig, Germany 291 WON II ?
2003-02-03 Paris 284 WON II
2002-09-16 Princess Cup at Tokyo 264 WON II
2003-05-12 Rome 170 SFI
2002-09-06 US open: 1040 Grand Slam
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Total points best tournaments: 5995 points
 
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