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But they are all GOATS in my opinion, these cross era rankings make little sense anyway.
 

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Steffi should have asked Gunther to stab Steffi in order to be fair to Seles. That way, whichever slams both win after their stabbing would determine who was the goat
 

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that doesn't make sense. seles was the better player by far of her era and routinely beating graf in non-grass finals. henin was the graf of this situation. she benefitted from the loss of serena's sister, serena's rash of injuries and indifference to the sport. henin only really had like 5 years of top level play-03, 04,05,06,07. . after the 03 wimbledon, serena dealt with many injuries. henin had nothing tio do with serena's lack of success. if serena and seles were healthy than the graf and henin wouldn't have won as much.
We can all theorise until we’re blue in the face, but stats don’t care about shoulda woulda coulda.

And the stats on Serena and Henin at the time of Henin’s first retirement were not as clear cut as you might think...

Serena v Henin
GS Titles: 8 v 7
GS RU: 2 v 4
Weeks at #1: 57 v 117
Olympics: 0 v 1
Titles: 31 v 41
H2H: 7 v 6

No one is suggesting that Henin would have had the post 2011 success that Serena had, but it’s not unthinkable to imagine her snatching a slam or two in that 2008-2012 period had she continued playing until she was 30 years old.
 

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The original article ranked Graf #1 partly because of her “incomparable backhand.” LOL, wut? The one she sliced every time?
 

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We can all theorise until we’re blue in the face, but stats don’t care about shoulda woulda coulda.

And the stats on Serena and Henin at the time of Henin’s first retirement were not as clear cut as you might think...

Serena v Henin
GS Titles: 8 v 7
GS RU: 2 v 4
Weeks at #1: 57 v 117
Olympics: 0 v 1
Titles: 31 v 41
H2H: 7 v 6

No one is suggesting that Henin would have had the post 2011 success that Serena had, but it’s not unthinkable to imagine her snatching a slam or two in that 2008-2012 period had she continued playing until she was 30 years old.
your 2 bolds contradict themselves. you don't want what ifs but assume henin would've won 2 majors. and stats do lie- her h2h included the french open where she cheat, and 1 year in 07 when serena was heavily injured. again it wasn't a rivalry as much as henin taking advantage of a 5 year window. henin was basically a clay court specialist who got a slam or two on other surfaces and that was due to the best player being in and out. non-rivalry.
 

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1.Steffi
2.Serena
3.Navratilova
4.Evert
5.Court

Rounding out the top 10 Seles, King, Lenglen, Connolly, Wills.

Serena is the most complete player except for her court movement and she goes through periods of being out of form. For that reason i rate Steffi just ahead of her.

I remember Pan Shriver being asked who would win out of peak Serena and peak Steffi and she replied that if they played 10 times they would split it because Serena has her off days whereas Steffi was always switched on.

Monica Seles is an interesting one because she did comeback from the attack to produce some good results including slam finals.
 

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I'm not even surprised by this disgrace of a post. But yeah, when I criticise this cult some members will go "urgh the cult is not bad, you are prejudiced, it's not worse than other fanbases" and make themselves the victims (just like a certain player did in 2018 in the US Open Final).



Among the current generation? Right now it's probably Andreescu, but I doubt she'd make the grade for that list. Top 5 greatest is really really big, and shouldn't become something banal to say. It's not a label that should be tossed to any player.
you're just being a jerk, that's all
 

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you're just being a jerk, that's all
That poster made a horrible comment regarding what is perhaps the most tragical event in the history of the sport, even blaming Graf for it, and I'm the jerk? Puta que pariu cara, aí é foda. Não dá.
 

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The original article ranked Graf #1 partly because of her “incomparable backhand.” LOL, wut? The one she sliced every time?
Steffi had the greatest slice in the history of the sport. Since nearly everyone almost exclusively hit to her backhand, it goes down as the most defended shot in history as well. No one could consistently knife the ball, just barely above the net, which then skidded when it hit the court and stayed low. Has anyone ever hit as many beautiful backhand slice winners as much as Steffi?? Her low cross court slider would skid away and leave her opponents baffled at times. It was a thing of beauty, the way she leaned into it and knifed it like buttah.
 

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There is such a big question mark over Seles. I mean she had all the hallmarks. I would Serena is the best, if I look with a cold eye, but Navratilova will always have my most love.
 

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Heard Paul Annacone describe Serena as having "the greatest achievement in the history of the sport" -- he was talking not in the context of her extraordinary life, but of her play on the court. So yeah. That's what I think, too. Filling out the Top 5:
1. Serena
2. Martina N.
3. Steffi
4. Venus
5. Monica S.
 
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