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Are we going to sit here and not talk about how boring Barty is?
She’s gotten a pass all year on her lucky draws... Who did she beat this year in all her titles?

She’s the only slam winner this year who never beat another multiple time Slam winner to get hers... Her other titles this year were just as much the results of a fluke of a draw...
 

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Are we going to sit here and not talk about how boring Barty is?
She’s gotten a pass all year on her lucky draws... Who did she beat this year in all her titles?

She’s the only slam winner this year who never beat another multiple time Slam winner to get hers... Her other titles this year were just as much the results of a fluke of a draw...
So basically you're saying that just because she didnt beat Serena to win a slam, she doesn't merit her title? That's dumb. That's about all I got from your comment.

Serena is on her way out. She's no longer the benchmark. Barty is defeating players she will face and have rivalries with LONG after Serena is done and dusted.

Really tho...the only multi slam champs playing today are Serena, Venus, Maria, Kerber, Osaka, Kvitova, Halep, and Muguruza. I'm sure she will face one of them in a slam final...probably next year would be her last chance to probably meet them in a final. I just get the feeling your comment was more about her not beating Serena in a final than any other player.
 

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That is only your unique weird opinion, please stop posting it all the time whole year long.
It is just way too much for someone who supposedly doesn't care about said player and is not a hater. :tape: :help:
I remember LewisCarroll being extremely pressed when Martić won her first title beating Vondrousova. :help: :spit: According to him any player that is not an up-and-coming, new revelation should be discarded.
 

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I remember LewisCarroll being extremely pressed when Martić won her first title beating Vondrousova. :help: :spit: According to him any player that is not an up-and-coming, new revelation should be discarded.
You know I'm a Kerber fan and also like Venus, right?

Anyway, let's try not to derail the thread.
 

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Martic boring?

For me the most boring are/were Hantuchova, Stosur and Barty. If I need a good nap before an interesting match and Stosur's match isn't in conflict with it that is what I put on. I'm out like a light in about five minutes. Hantuchova was unwatchable for me as well.
 

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She’s gotten a pass all year on her lucky draws... Who did she beat this year in all her titles?

She’s the only slam winner this year who never beat another multiple time Slam winner to get hers... Her other titles this year were just as much the results of a fluke of a draw...
Yes. Thats one of the weakest GS win I have ever seen. She beat Vondrousova in the final who was so nervous. Just last year, Serena yelled c'mon and she completely fell apart.
 

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Martic boring?

For me the most boring are/were Hantuchova, Stosur and Barty. If I need a good nap before an interesting match and Stosur's match isn't in conflict with it that is what I put on. I'm out like a light in about five minutes. Hantuchova was unwatchable for me as well.
Hantuchova was never boring plus she is pretty. Barty party is more boring than office party.
 

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You know I'm a Kerber fan and also like Venus, right?

Anyway, let's try not to derail the thread.
Yes, but they are ''stars'' while Petra is just some scrub for you. It's clear that when you have two players with similar achievements you are going to root for the younger and bind about the older.
 

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She really wasn't much of a vulture in 2010-2011, which were undoubtedly her peak years, and the first seasons she was Top 10 from start to finish. And she absolutely did NOT get a pass during those years. She had a lot more fans on the board than she does now, but she had a huge bloc of detractors.

She played Amelia Island, which was an Int'l but had been downgraded from a Tier II during the system change, so was a quite historical event, and the Danish Open, which was her home event, but pretty much everything else was Premier-or-higher.

There was a stretch (IW through IW 2010-2011) when she won 5 out of the 10 PM/P5 events and reached the final of a 6th, plus the tour finals. Her slam results weren't what you'd want from a #1, but they were better than, from modern times, Svitolina's results (including this season) or Pliskova's results.

Essentially, at her peak, she was winning bigger titles with greater frequency than Svitolina or Pliskova, and doing better at the slams.

That era (plus Safina's time at #1, courtesy of Serena's comment about 'she won Madrid and Rome') was when we started seeing people refer to winning Tier I events as vulturing, which it simply cannot be (if you win a mandatory event, it's not vulturing, plain and simple), and now we see posters refer to some slam wins as vultured.
I mean that's a very well thought out and detailed post but i think you missed the ENTIRE context of which Wozniacki was considered a vulture at that time. As you said, she won 5 of 10 PM events at one point, she was a YE #1 for TWO consecutive years... yet she won ZERO majors, made ONE major Final in the span and she didn't beat ANY of the elite players. That'a worse than any of Pliskova, Jankovic or Safina who either made multiple Slam Finals, were able to consistently beat the elite players or were only briefly a #1.

So you had a dominate force of a player that couldn't win a major and got beat anytime a true top player faced her. Her record against Serena, Kim, Justine, Maria and Venus was atrocious those years ( only a few wins over post surgery ,comeback Sharapova kept it from being a washout). That's a vulture, her prey was the literal tour because the top players were injured or part time....but she managed to always be put in her rightful place when the majors rolled around.

Her status as a vulture from 2009-2011 is quite a different context of what's considered a vulture in recent times.
 

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Yes, but they are ''stars'' while Petra is just some scrub for you. It's clear that when you have two players with similar achievements you are going to root for the younger and bind about the older.
Kerber got quite some attention after her impressive slam wins, but I'm not sure if I would call her a "star", at least not outside of Germany.

Eiter way, no, what you are saying is not true at all, you are extrapolating ONE case and making a whole rule. I was often supporting Sevastova or Petkovic for example, who are old and don't have huge achievements.

At the same time, it's not as if I support all the youngsters. I'm not particularly a fan of Gauff, who is right now THE promissing hyped youngster.
 

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Yes, there are certain players who are given a pass. Double standards have always been the standard on TF. Being beautiful and/or playing power tennis is a free pass for some posters on TF. I recall Cirstea being given a pass by some earlier this year for putting her hands on an umpire because she is beautiful. If she was an unattractive "pusher" some of these same posters would have insulted her.
 

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I don't think Martic (or any other player) gets a "pass" for what her game looks like. Some people like it, some people don't -- that's it. There's nothing that universally defines a game as "boring". Pretty much any relevant player has a fair share of fans and detractors in this forum (there are few exceptions like Muchova, who seems to be well-regarded by pretty much every poster here). Martic just may not have as many detractors as you would expect.



Maybe the reason is because those two have been more successful throughout their careers + Martic's game looks nothing like Wozniacki's or Svitolina's.
Yeah, I thought about that. Obviously being successful attracs more detractors. Which makes me imagine how would be if Putintseva were winning slams lol.

That is only your unique weird opinion, please stop posting it all the time whole year long.
It is just way too much for someone who supposedly doesn't care about said player and is not a hater. <img src="https://www.tennisforum.com/images/smilies/tape.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Taped" class="inlineimg" /> <img src="https://www.tennisforum.com/images/smilies/help.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Help" class="inlineimg" />


Yeah. His posts regarding Petra are way more boring than her game.
Guys, I created a very broad thread that happens to mention Martic as a mere detail, after what, more than 6 months since the last time I talked about her. Grow up, it's not as if I'm posting about her all the time or anything. Stop being so defensive. I'm not a hater or anything.
Yet you have her very high in your hate list...
 

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Yes, there are certain players who are given a pass. Double standards have always been the standard on TF. Being beautiful and/or playing power tennis is a free pass for some posters on TF. I recall Cirstea being given a pass by some earlier this year for putting her hands on an umpire because she is beautiful. If she was an unattractive "pusher" some of these same posters would have insulted her.
Good choice!

Stephens sometimes gets a pass for her 'talent'. Likewise Muguruza.
 

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I remember LewisCarroll being extremely pressed when Martić won her first title beating Vondrousova. :help: :spit: According to him any player that is not an up-and-coming, new revelation should be discarded.
Then later Martic beat Ostapenko in Birmingham after saving match points and that has obviously put him over the edge. :lol:
 

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Venus, Osaka, Clijsters

Players who get a lot of hate on Tennisforum and get criticized very easily and for everything:
Vandeweghe
Collins
Ostapenko
Siegemund
Putintseva
Serena
Wozniacki
Sharapova
 
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