Tennis Forum banner

1 - 20 of 48 Posts
N

·
Guest
Joined
·
0 Posts
Discussion Starter #1
can someone tell me the orange juice story, with patty schnyder of course.

im a firm believer in the "power" of orange juice. i drink it in mass amounts daily, and i love it.

what is so funny/sad about patty and orange juice. as far as i know the guy told her to drink it and she did. and i cant blame her, have you ever drank it? its only like the best stuff in the whole world.

i need elaboration/explanation if possible. and maybe your own orange juice experiences

<br />mmmm orange juice <img src="graemlins/drool.gif" border="0" alt="[Drool]" />
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
181,848 Posts
From what i heard he gave her just Orange Juice ,

no food to eat , just litres and litres of Orange Juice

a person can only take so much of the stuff .....
 

·
Banned
Joined
·
1,250 Posts
thats not the only thing he gave her......

thankfully she is back on track,

i hate that sick perv she was with, he was discusting a child molester.
 

·
Genie Bouchard of TF
Joined
·
108,196 Posts
i found this story, maybe you understand it now!

<br />During her 1998 breakthrough, in which she rose into the WTA's Top 10, Switzerland's Patty Schnyder came to be known as one of the most affable, level-headed teenagers on tour. She rose through the rankings on the strength of her artful strokes and natural ability, lived contentedly at home with her family, and appeared to maintain a uniquely balanced lifestyle, finding the time to play the keyboards, read mystery novels, and go dancing.

''When I gave her a surprise 20th birthday party last December,'' says Petr Tschudin, her boyfriend at the time, ''she said to me, 'I am so unbelievably happy. I have everything I could possibly want -- a great boyfriend, a career, friends, and family. There is nothing that is missing from my life.''

It was a complete surprise, then, when Schnyder found herself at the center of a scandal just two months later. In February, the Zurich newspaper Blick reported that she had allegedly become ''possessed'' by a German trainer named Rainer Harnecker, who claims to be able to heal cancer and AIDS patients, and who recommends drinking massive doses of orange juice because it is ''almost identical to mother's milk.'' The Swiss weekly Sonntagszeitung noted that Harnecker is under criminal investigation for alleged violations of Germany's alternative medicine practitioner law. And according to a story in Sports Illustrated, Schnyder's parents have gone so far as to consult with a Swiss expert on cults.

Indeed, Schnyder's actions during the early part of 1999 were mystifying. By March, she had severed ties with her longtime coach, Eric van Harpen, and her hitting partner, Vito Gugoltz; ended her yearlong relationship with Tschudin; become estranged from her parents and distant to her friends; and, in the opinion of tour acquaintances, lost the focus that helped her win five tournaments last year.

Schnyder admits to having become involved both professionally and romantically with Harnecker, 42, who runs several fitness centers in Germany but who has no prior tennis experience as either a coach or a player.

While he's officially listed as Schnyder's trainer and not her coach, Harnecker has, by all accounts, taken control of the Swiss player's career in recent months. He has put Schnyder on a self-developed dietary, training, and treatment program he calls via sola, which means ''the only way.'' The program espouses a vegan diet (prohibiting meat, fish, eggs, and dairy products) and drinking at least two quarts of orange juice a day.

Harnecker also employs a controversial technique for treating injuries that he calls baumsheidticism. It involves applying hot oil to the skin with a Q-Tip, then using a rolling pin covered with small needles to perforate the flesh and, Harnecker claims, heal patients. He says he devised the technique at age 19 by ''studying books, animals in Africa, and with a Chinese doctor,'' after traditional medicine had failed to relieve his arthritic back condition. ''My back had broken down, but my methods brought me out of my illness,'' he says.

It is these methods that have gotten Harnecker in trouble with German authorities, who are concerned that he may be practicing medicine illegally. He admits that he has no medical or acupuncture license, but denies having broken any laws.

Harnecker didn't permit photographers to take pictures of him performing baumsheidticism on Schnyder's shin and hand after she fell during a practice session at the Evert Cup in Indian Wells, Calif. But his power over Schnyder was certainly on display to reporters. Between points, she would glance over at him with a goofy grin reminiscent of a girl in the throes of a high-school crush. During a break, she chugged orange juice from a one-liter container. When she became agitated by her poor play and threw her racquet, he followed her to a courtside bench and, putting his hands on her knees and his face inches away from hers, said, ''If you do not change your mind and listen, you cannot play tennis tomorrow.'' Then, after whispering in her ear for several minutes, that same contented smile returned to Schnyder's face as she resumed her workout.

As Harnecker and his client-cum-girlfriend left the court together, he told reporters, ''We have a lot of work to do. We can only go one step at a time. But now that we are together and a team, we will have to prove to everyone that this way works.''

Whether or not Harnecker's ''way'' will succeed in the long run remains to be seen. The early results were promising: By switching to Harnecker's prescribed diet and devoting herself to gym workouts (which she had detested in the past), Schnyder lost five pounds and won her season-opening tournament in Gold Coast, Australia. But she looked unmotivated at the Australian Open two weeks later, where she was defeated in the second round, and she followed that up with a lackadaisical first-round loss in Hannover, Germany, that dropped her ranking from No. 8 to No. 12.

At Indian Wells, she was soundly beaten in the third round by Martina Hingis 6-1, 6-3, and there were indications that Schnyder might be losing patience with Harnecker's methods. At one practice, she ignored his tactical advice regarding her serve, telling him to ''shut up -- stop talking so much,'' then turned her head away and resumed her conversation with hitting partner Gugoltz.

But her resistance didn't last long. After the three had dinner that evening, Schnyder called Gugoltz, a close family friend she had worked with for 10 years, and informed him that his services were no longer required.

''I was told they did not feel the arrangement was working,'' says Gugoltz. ''But it's all Harnecker. She does what he says.''

And when the two are together, he does the bulk of the talking for both of them. Schnyder insisted that Harnecker be present when she spoke with TENNIS. She described their relationship as ''something that I needed. I wanted to make changes in my life, and Rainer has shown me how. His guidance and knowledge have helped me take my tennis to another level.''

She is also grateful for Harnecker's companionship, say observers. Last year Schnyder, with two working parents, a boyfriend studying in Switzerland, and a coach who kept his distance off the court, grew lonely on tour. She would often sit alone in her hotel room, longing, she says, for ''someone I could talk to about everything.''

Says Barbara Schett, Schnyder's closest friend on tour: ''When you find a companion, sometimes it doesn't matter who it is or what you do with the person. It is just good to have someone there.''

But Schnyder's loved ones, advisors, and friends are pained by the way she has cut them out of her life since pairing up with Harnecker. Tschudin was the first to go. ''She told me her love for him was stronger than her love for me right now,'' he says.

In early February, Schnyder instructed her father, Willy, to fire van Harpen, who had introduced her to Harnecker in the hopes that Harnecker could improve her conditioning. ''Eric always finds something wrong, even when I win a big match or tournament,'' Schnyder said at the Australian Open. ''I never get to celebrate my successes.''

Concerned about Harnecker's growing influence over his daughter, Willy Schnyder flew to Hannover the following week and issued Patty an ultimatum: She was not welcome at home until she split with Harnecker. The elder Schnyder even refused to forward Patty's passport for traveling to the U.S. (He later relented after being pressured by the Swiss embassy in Bonn.)

''Patty did not cancel her parents; her parents canceled her,'' Harnecker says. ''What do you think about a father and mother who say the door is closed if you work with Rainer? This is not OK to tell a child.''

Schnyder has also become distant from tour players Sylvia Plischke (her former travel partner) and Sabine Appelmans, both of whom had negative experiences with Harnecker.

Plischke claims Harnecker lavished her with attention before he became involved with Schnyder. ''He told me that to play my best tennis, I had to get rid of the blockades in my mind so my energy would flow freely,'' she says. ''He said I should talk more to him, and that my father was too domineering.''

Plischke adds that the charismatic Harnecker persuaded Schnyder and her to sleep in the same bed with him for two nights in Australia, then made advances toward her. ''He touched me and things,'' Plischke says. ''I told Patty the next day, but she called me a liar.'' Harnecker admits to the sleeping arrangement, but he denies having made sexual advances toward Plischke.

Harnecker doesn't dispute the fact that he used baumsheidticism to treat Appelmans, Schnyder's sometime doubles partner, in Gold Coast. Appelmans says the procedure was ''one of the most uncomfortable things I've ever felt.'' Afterward, she adds, ''My wrist became twice the normal size and red with mosquito-bite-looking marks,'' forcing her and Schnyder to default their doubles match.

WTA trainer Kathy Martin has questioned Harnecker about his treatment of Appelmans, but WTA Tour officials have yet to take any action, or to issue any warnings about Harnecker.

''At the moment, this is a personal issue for Patty,'' says WTA chief executive officer Bart McGuire. ''The Tour will monitor the situation, and if it is discovered that there is any behavior in violation of our coach's code of ethics, appropriate action will be taken.''

In the meantime, those who'd like to intervene in some way are powerless to do so. Schett says Schnyder has consciously isolated herself from others on tour, and the two don't socialize the way they did in the past.

Schnyder's father has been told that nothing can be done on his daughter's behalf at this time. ''We're devastated,'' he says. ''We don't know what to do.''

For now, all Willy Schnyder can do is watch his daughter's on-court performance and hope that if it doesn't improve, she may sour on Harnecker's techniques and return to being the Patty he raised and nurtured.

But Harnecker insists he hasn't cast a spell on Schnyder. ''We work together, we feel together, and we look forward to a future that will show us what we have to do,'' he says. ''We'll just have to wait and see what happens.''
 

·
Genie Bouchard of TF
Joined
·
108,196 Posts
NO!<br />she is now in a trainingsteam with Bianka lamade, her coach is now Hubert Choudery.<br />and the relationship with her parents is now normal too!
 

·
Team WTAworld, Senior Member
Joined
·
20,610 Posts
Poor Patty... I can't believe how that ass managed to single handedly ruin her career. <img src="graemlins/firey.gif" border="0" alt="[Fiery]" /> <img src="graemlins/firey.gif" border="0" alt="[Fiery]" /> I think he is mentally deranged. <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0"> <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">

How Patty makes a comeback next year!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,377 Posts
They split not long after that article was written. He was still with Patty after Hilton Head in 1999. I remember that much. I think they split not long after that. She finally woke up.

On the subject of the orange juice and her diet, I wouldn't be surprised if her lack of inspiration was due to her not being adequately nourished. She must have lost a lot of nutrients. She must have been starving. I know that when I'm playing a match, I need to actually eat something a couple of hours beforehand, otherwise I'd get cranky on the court and capitulate. And I wonder what Patty's blood sugar level readings were after a week, let alone during the entire time she was on the diet.
 

·
Team WTAworld, Senior Member
Joined
·
10,772 Posts
Wow, I never knew the full story about that...

That's amazing, how on earth did she fall for that?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
3,886 Posts
WOW, I'm suprised this guy worked with other players as well! He is CRAZY. Glad that Patty is away from him.
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
27,114 Posts
She's lucky she didn't get kidney stones.

Glad she's back on track <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> .
 
N

·
Guest
Joined
·
0 Posts
Discussion Starter #13
thank you very much. im a believer in a orange juice, but im not seeing hte mothers milk relationship or such phsyically and psychologically restrictive diets to go with it.

thank you for the article, it did give me a lot of insight into the whole incident. patty is so cool <img src="cool.gif" border="0">

<br />can someone tell me what "client-cum-girlfriend " means? do you spell come in that context that way?
 

·
Team WTAworld, Senior Member
Joined
·
5,566 Posts
NejedlyKanepi ,

the use of "cum" in that case is correct. "cum" is a preposition used for linking two nouns. It means "as well as".

It comes from Latin. "Cum" in Latin means "with".

one of my favourtie nouns is "compassion" ("pity for the sufferings of other"). It roots from "cum" ("with") and "passio" ("action of shouldering, suffering"). Passion was originally used to describe the Christ sufferings. The meaning of passion as a strong feeling arrived only in the XVIIe century.

In general, most words starting with "com-" have the same origin ("cum") and the meaning of a link.

So do not be mistaken when you see the word "cum" <img src="redface.gif" border="0"> <img src="wink.gif" border="0">
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
34,742 Posts
Thanks for posting that article, Matthias. I knew about the orange juice guru, but I never knew it was this bad.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
16,198 Posts
ThanX for the article <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

I hope Patty will be completely back to her old tennis self next year!
 
N

·
Guest
Joined
·
0 Posts
Discussion Starter #17
steveg: thank you very much. my psychology teacher reminds me of you. meaning, shell just full out get into a word. its pretty cool, except she does it in the middle of class. the past tense of shit is shat, so dont mess it up. kristy was shat on by a bird at break the other day.
 

·
Vamorza!
Joined
·
57,175 Posts
Thanx for the article Matthias.<br />The guy is crazy! I hope he never gets the chance to work with ANY player anymore!
 

·
Always and forever.
Joined
·
33,727 Posts
matthias said:
i found this story, maybe you understand it now!

<br />During her 1998 breakthrough, in which she rose into the WTA's Top 10, Switzerland's Patty Schnyder came to be known as one of the most affable, level-headed teenagers on tour. She rose through the rankings on the strength of her artful strokes and natural ability, lived contentedly at home with her family, and appeared to maintain a uniquely balanced lifestyle, finding the time to play the keyboards, read mystery novels, and go dancing.

''When I gave her a surprise 20th birthday party last December,'' says Petr Tschudin, her boyfriend at the time, ''she said to me, 'I am so unbelievably happy. I have everything I could possibly want -- a great boyfriend, a career, friends, and family. There is nothing that is missing from my life.''

It was a complete surprise, then, when Schnyder found herself at the center of a scandal just two months later. In February, the Zurich newspaper Blick reported that she had allegedly become ''possessed'' by a German trainer named Rainer Harnecker, who claims to be able to heal cancer and AIDS patients, and who recommends drinking massive doses of orange juice because it is ''almost identical to mother's milk.'' The Swiss weekly Sonntagszeitung noted that Harnecker is under criminal investigation for alleged violations of Germany's alternative medicine practitioner law. And according to a story in Sports Illustrated, Schnyder's parents have gone so far as to consult with a Swiss expert on cults.

Indeed, Schnyder's actions during the early part of 1999 were mystifying. By March, she had severed ties with her longtime coach, Eric van Harpen, and her hitting partner, Vito Gugoltz; ended her yearlong relationship with Tschudin; become estranged from her parents and distant to her friends; and, in the opinion of tour acquaintances, lost the focus that helped her win five tournaments last year.

Schnyder admits to having become involved both professionally and romantically with Harnecker, 42, who runs several fitness centers in Germany but who has no prior tennis experience as either a coach or a player.

While he's officially listed as Schnyder's trainer and not her coach, Harnecker has, by all accounts, taken control of the Swiss player's career in recent months. He has put Schnyder on a self-developed dietary, training, and treatment program he calls via sola, which means ''the only way.'' The program espouses a vegan diet (prohibiting meat, fish, eggs, and dairy products) and drinking at least two quarts of orange juice a day.

Harnecker also employs a controversial technique for treating injuries that he calls baumsheidticism. It involves applying hot oil to the skin with a Q-Tip, then using a rolling pin covered with small needles to perforate the flesh and, Harnecker claims, heal patients. He says he devised the technique at age 19 by ''studying books, animals in Africa, and with a Chinese doctor,'' after traditional medicine had failed to relieve his arthritic back condition. ''My back had broken down, but my methods brought me out of my illness,'' he says.

It is these methods that have gotten Harnecker in trouble with German authorities, who are concerned that he may be practicing medicine illegally. He admits that he has no medical or acupuncture license, but denies having broken any laws.

Harnecker didn't permit photographers to take pictures of him performing baumsheidticism on Schnyder's shin and hand after she fell during a practice session at the Evert Cup in Indian Wells, Calif. But his power over Schnyder was certainly on display to reporters. Between points, she would glance over at him with a goofy grin reminiscent of a girl in the throes of a high-school crush. During a break, she chugged orange juice from a one-liter container. When she became agitated by her poor play and threw her racquet, he followed her to a courtside bench and, putting his hands on her knees and his face inches away from hers, said, ''If you do not change your mind and listen, you cannot play tennis tomorrow.'' Then, after whispering in her ear for several minutes, that same contented smile returned to Schnyder's face as she resumed her workout.

As Harnecker and his client-cum-girlfriend left the court together, he told reporters, ''We have a lot of work to do. We can only go one step at a time. But now that we are together and a team, we will have to prove to everyone that this way works.''

Whether or not Harnecker's ''way'' will succeed in the long run remains to be seen. The early results were promising: By switching to Harnecker's prescribed diet and devoting herself to gym workouts (which she had detested in the past), Schnyder lost five pounds and won her season-opening tournament in Gold Coast, Australia. But she looked unmotivated at the Australian Open two weeks later, where she was defeated in the second round, and she followed that up with a lackadaisical first-round loss in Hannover, Germany, that dropped her ranking from No. 8 to No. 12.

At Indian Wells, she was soundly beaten in the third round by Martina Hingis 6-1, 6-3, and there were indications that Schnyder might be losing patience with Harnecker's methods. At one practice, she ignored his tactical advice regarding her serve, telling him to ''shut up -- stop talking so much,'' then turned her head away and resumed her conversation with hitting partner Gugoltz.

But her resistance didn't last long. After the three had dinner that evening, Schnyder called Gugoltz, a close family friend she had worked with for 10 years, and informed him that his services were no longer required.

''I was told they did not feel the arrangement was working,'' says Gugoltz. ''But it's all Harnecker. She does what he says.''

And when the two are together, he does the bulk of the talking for both of them. Schnyder insisted that Harnecker be present when she spoke with TENNIS. She described their relationship as ''something that I needed. I wanted to make changes in my life, and Rainer has shown me how. His guidance and knowledge have helped me take my tennis to another level.''

She is also grateful for Harnecker's companionship, say observers. Last year Schnyder, with two working parents, a boyfriend studying in Switzerland, and a coach who kept his distance off the court, grew lonely on tour. She would often sit alone in her hotel room, longing, she says, for ''someone I could talk to about everything.''

Says Barbara Schett, Schnyder's closest friend on tour: ''When you find a companion, sometimes it doesn't matter who it is or what you do with the person. It is just good to have someone there.''

But Schnyder's loved ones, advisors, and friends are pained by the way she has cut them out of her life since pairing up with Harnecker. Tschudin was the first to go. ''She told me her love for him was stronger than her love for me right now,'' he says.

In early February, Schnyder instructed her father, Willy, to fire van Harpen, who had introduced her to Harnecker in the hopes that Harnecker could improve her conditioning. ''Eric always finds something wrong, even when I win a big match or tournament,'' Schnyder said at the Australian Open. ''I never get to celebrate my successes.''

Concerned about Harnecker's growing influence over his daughter, Willy Schnyder flew to Hannover the following week and issued Patty an ultimatum: She was not welcome at home until she split with Harnecker. The elder Schnyder even refused to forward Patty's passport for traveling to the U.S. (He later relented after being pressured by the Swiss embassy in Bonn.)

''Patty did not cancel her parents; her parents canceled her,'' Harnecker says. ''What do you think about a father and mother who say the door is closed if you work with Rainer? This is not OK to tell a child.''

Schnyder has also become distant from tour players Sylvia Plischke (her former travel partner) and Sabine Appelmans, both of whom had negative experiences with Harnecker.

Plischke claims Harnecker lavished her with attention before he became involved with Schnyder. ''He told me that to play my best tennis, I had to get rid of the blockades in my mind so my energy would flow freely,'' she says. ''He said I should talk more to him, and that my father was too domineering.''

Plischke adds that the charismatic Harnecker persuaded Schnyder and her to sleep in the same bed with him for two nights in Australia, then made advances toward her. ''He touched me and things,'' Plischke says. ''I told Patty the next day, but she called me a liar.'' Harnecker admits to the sleeping arrangement, but he denies having made sexual advances toward Plischke.

Harnecker doesn't dispute the fact that he used baumsheidticism to treat Appelmans, Schnyder's sometime doubles partner, in Gold Coast. Appelmans says the procedure was ''one of the most uncomfortable things I've ever felt.'' Afterward, she adds, ''My wrist became twice the normal size and red with mosquito-bite-looking marks,'' forcing her and Schnyder to default their doubles match.

WTA trainer Kathy Martin has questioned Harnecker about his treatment of Appelmans, but WTA Tour officials have yet to take any action, or to issue any warnings about Harnecker.

''At the moment, this is a personal issue for Patty,'' says WTA chief executive officer Bart McGuire. ''The Tour will monitor the situation, and if it is discovered that there is any behavior in violation of our coach's code of ethics, appropriate action will be taken.''

In the meantime, those who'd like to intervene in some way are powerless to do so. Schett says Schnyder has consciously isolated herself from others on tour, and the two don't socialize the way they did in the past.

Schnyder's father has been told that nothing can be done on his daughter's behalf at this time. ''We're devastated,'' he says. ''We don't know what to do.''

For now, all Willy Schnyder can do is watch his daughter's on-court performance and hope that if it doesn't improve, she may sour on Harnecker's techniques and return to being the Patty he raised and nurtured.

But Harnecker insists he hasn't cast a spell on Schnyder. ''We work together, we feel together, and we look forward to a future that will show us what we have to do,'' he says. ''We'll just have to wait and see what happens.''
for those who didn't know the story.

:bigcry:
 

·
Team WTAworld, Senior Member
Joined
·
6,314 Posts
Did someone say orange juice?

 
1 - 20 of 48 Posts
Top