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If you are running a tipping tournament, simply copy the following text into the first post of your tournament's thread and add some finishing touches like a title, last year's results, pick the colors, fonts etc. Just make sure you erase the point distributions to leave the one of the category of your event (if you're running a Premier event, you leave points for Premier etc.). I will update this post with every rule change that is agreed upon.

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HOW TO PLAY

Playing Tipping is very easy. I will post the schedule and then you just tip who you think will win. Just type "in" to play (this will make my life easier but if you forgot to post "in" this is not the end of the world).

e.g If the schedule was...
Ivanovic vs Li
V. Williams vs Pironkova

This is how you would tip...
Ivanovic
Pironkova

It is only main draw singles matches.

If there's 1 point played in a match then the match counts (walkover or a pre-match retirement doesn´t count).

Pick for each match should be posted before the start of that match.

For the final match you will also need to guess how many games will be played. This will work as a tiebreaker.

Do NOT edit your post. If you want to change your picks do it in a new post. Edited posts will make all your picks invalid.

Also DO NOT make changes to your picks by quoting your previous post; this will make all of your changes invalid.


HOW TO SOLVE TIES

1. The player who guessed the winner.
2. The player who is closest in games guessed.
3. The player who posted the fastest post in the final. If no one posted in the final, points from previous rounds are examined going backwards, until a clear advantage of one player is confirmed.


SCORING AND ADDITIONAL POINTS

First Round = 1 point per correct tip.
Every additional round = one point more than for the previous, per correct tip.

Extra points: 1 per correct tip, regardless of round; added to the sum of tournament points before bonus points.

Bonus points:

International
1st: 100
2nd: 75
3rd/4th: 50
5th-8th: 30

Premier
1st: 150
2nd: 100
3rd/4th: 75
5th-8th: 50

Premier 5
1st: 225
2nd: 150
3rd/4th: 100
5th-8th: 75
9th-12th: 35

Premier Mandatory
1st: 250
2nd: 175
3rd/4th: 125
5th-8th: 80
9th-12th: 40

Grand slam
1st: 400
2nd: 275
3rd/4th: 200
5th-8th: 120
9th-12th: 60

Year-End Championships
1st: 325
2nd: 225
3/4: 150
5-8: 100

Tournament of Champions
1st: 120
2nd: 90
3/4: 60
5-8: 40

Olympic games
1st: 150
2nd: 120
3rd: 90
4th: 70
5-8: 50
9-12: 35


THE RANKINGS

Your best 16 results the past 52 weeks will count towards your ranking. There are no mandarory tournaments.​
 

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please update the thread/post ma re... ;)
 

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I think I said that before, but the order of TB rule #3 and #4 makes no sense. ;)

It's impossible that rule #4 ever comes into play.

Option #1: Change rule #3 and #4
Option #2: remove ruloe #4

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I think I said that before, but the order of TB rule #3 and #4 makes no sense. ;)

It's impossible that rule #4 ever comes into play.

Option #1: Change rule #3 and #4
Option #2: remove ruloe #4

;)
This might've happened before you joined the game, but I remember a case where we had two players finishing inside bonus points despite neither of them playing the final day. In such ocassions (as rare as they are) you need rule #4.
 

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But rule # 3 also says: "If no one posted in the final go back to the semi final and so on". ;)
 

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But rule # 3 also says: "If no one posted in the final go back to the semi final and so on". ;)
True. In a sense #3 should sound something like:
"If no one posted in the final, results from previous rounds are examined going backwards, until a clear advantage of one player is confirmed." - so that it can stand clearly for #3 and #4 without a risk of confusion.

P. S. These rules are quite old and not worded very skillfully hence the need for occasional improvements.
 

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that sounds good ;)

I think you should rename the thread and add "+ Rules" (sth. like that) to the thread title. ;)
 

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In the How to play and rule thread: http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=400436

How to solve ties

1. The player who is closest in games guessed.
2. The player who guessed the winner.
3. The player who got the most correct picks in the semi final. If the same, move backwards to quarterfinal and so on.
4. The player who posted the fastest post in the final. If no one posted in the final go backwards to the semis and so on.
So originally #3 and #4 were swapped. But I still don't like the fastest post idea, and I don't really have good ideas to solve it (maybe have it written not 19 games, but 06 60 61 instead).
 

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So originally #3 and #4 were swapped. But I still don't like the fastest post idea, and I don't really have good ideas to solve it (maybe have it written not 19 games, but 06 60 61 instead).
Yes, originally they were swapped, just like the first two and I think we made the right choices there.
But the question here is, are you OK with current #3 and #4 being substituted with one (instead of two) simple rule which would state that if no one of the two tied players posted in the final, we just count their points backwards until we reach a round where one of them was more successful. That's all we are discussing here.
 

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Okay. But as I understand, in the previous edition rule #4 was used when counting the points backwards gave the same result. If 2 players scored identical points in the previous rounds, you had to look who posted first for the final.

By your suggestion there could be a tied 1st place (if you want to only count backwards, not taking into consideration if someone posted sooner).

If there can be tied positions, it's all good:yeah:
 

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By your suggestion there could be a tied 1st place (if you want to only count backwards, not taking into consideration if someone posted sooner).
Here I'll simplify to the extreme; suggestion is to go from:

1. The player who guessed the winner.
2. The player who is closest in games guessed.
3. The player who posted the fastest post in the final. If no one posted in the final go backwards to the semis and so on.
4. The player who got the most correct picks in the semi final. If the same, move backwards to quarterfinal and so on.


...to this:

1. The player who guessed the winner.
2. The player who is closest in games guessed.
3. The player who posted the fastest post in the final. If no one posted in the final, points from previous rounds are examined going backwards, until a clear advantage of one player is confirmed.
 

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"If no one posted in the final, results from previous rounds are examined going backwards, until a clear advantage of one player is confirmed."
3. The player who posted the fastest post in the final. If no one posted in the final, points from previous rounds are examined going backwards, until a clear advantage of one player is confirmed.
Look at what you first suggested. One sentence in the beginning makes a difference.
:wavey:
 

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Look at what you first suggested. One sentence in the beginning makes a difference.
:wavey:
I know, I thought that was the word (results) that confused you. Sorry for not being clear enough, but this is what Frederik and I were suggesting and discussing.

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We need a new rule similar to the Suicide Tennis rule.

Don't delete your post or else you will be DISQUALIFIED!
Deleting a post is the easiest way of cheating in Tipping. Just make 2 posts with 2 different winners and delete the wrong one after the match is finished...

That means that we also need a moderator to monitor the thread.
 

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Deleting a post is the easiest way of cheating in Tipping. Just make 2 posts with 2 different winners and delete the wrong one after the match is finished...

That means that we also need a moderator to monitor the thread.
Honestly I've never deleted a post in this forum myself, not just in tipping but not in any thread, so I don't know if this cheating would actually work, but I'll take your word for it.

However, a player is suspicious only if (s)he posts two different posts, which happens very rarely. A simple solution to this would be if the moderator would just save pages of the forum (File -> Save as...) before the matches start and eventually afterwards if someone sends a late pick. Later on you just check if there are no missing posts in the actual forum pages and that's it.
 

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Just take Cheda 16.17 as an example.

He posted his picks:

A
B
C
D

After that he quoted his own post and later deleted the original post. I'm pretty sure that 95% of the people wouldn't notice a difference if the picks in the quote said (a,e,c,d) instead of (a,b,c,d).

I know that he didn't cheat because I also read the quote before he deleted his original post.
 

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So what you're saying is...
...if I send post #1,
then quote it in post #2
and then delete post #1,
that post #1 will also disappear as quote from post #2
?!

Wow! I never thought you could do that. But having someone monitor the thread 24/7 is not even humanly possible, so I really believe that saving forum pages as websites on your hard drive would be the easiest method of control.
 

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no, the quote doesn't disappear and if it did, it would make (this way of) cheating impossible :p what I mean is this:

original post was: A,B,C,D

I quoted the post but changed the picks. That basically gives me two different sets of picks...

I'm not saying that anybody is going to do this, but Cheda 16.17 pretty much proved that it is possible (even though he didn't cheat).
 
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