Tennis Forum banner

1 - 20 of 151 Posts

·
Moderator
Joined
·
25,358 Posts
Discussion Starter #1
World Rankings and stats have always excited me (hey-I don't get out much ;) ever since I started following tennis in 1977. Back in those days
magazine rankings were just as valued as computer rankings, and usually were "better" IMO.

After playing around with numbers I eventually came up with my own ranking system. The beauty of my rankings are this-the point values don't go up or down from year to year like different computer rankings.
---------------------------------------------------------------
I should imagine most of you aren't too intersted in my ranking lists, but maybe the stats will stimulate some memories/opinions/ or discussions. I'll try to post a year a week.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
3,581 Posts
Sounds like a great idea, I'm excited to see what you came up with!!!
 

·
Moderator
Joined
·
25,358 Posts
Discussion Starter #3 (Edited)
1990

1990 Singles

*Record indicates matches won-lost,events won-played.
Defaults don't count as losses.

Code:
[B] Name[/B]                        [B] Points[/B]        [B] Record[/B]  

1. Seles                    1438               54-6         9 of 15
2. Graf                     1437               72-5         10 of 15
3. Navratilova               997               52-7         6 of 13
4. Sabatini                  952               49-14        2 of 16
5. M.J.Fernandez             582               40-10        2 of 12 
6. Garrison                  475               51-20        1 of 20
7. K. Maleeva                362               47-15        1 of 17 
8. Capriati                  349               42-11        1 of 12
9. Sanchez                   348               41-15        2 of 16 
10. Novotna                  309               43-16        1 of 17

11. Zvereva                  266               42-15        (2-17)
12. Man. Maleeva             266               42-16        (0-16)
13. Sukova                   260               41-17        (0-17)
14. Martinez                 238                42-10       3 of 13
15. Paulus                   199               35-15        1 of 15
16. Tauziat                  190               48-21        1 of 21
*Notes:

An exciting year that came down to the wire-with Graf the most consistent by far. Graf led the tour in match wins at 72 and made 3 grand slam finals. Monica got the slightest edge due to two factors-she was the only woman to win two majors (she won the Virginia Slims year-end event) and she was 2-0 vs. Graf.

Navratilova was a clear #3. Had Sabatini won the Slims she would have been at 3, but with only 2 event wins to 6 for Martina and a 2-0 head to head for Martina there was significant gap.

This was probably Austria's best year ever as a nation, with two women
(Paulus and Wiesner) in the top 16.
_______________________________________________

Other stats:

Most singles wins on tour: Graf 72
Most doubles wins on tour: Novotna-60
Most combined wins: Novotna-103, Sukova-100

Most consecutive wins:Seles 36 (6 events),Graf 25 (4 events)and Navratilova 17 (3 events)

Titles on all surfaces: Navratilova

Events won: Singles:Graf (10) Doubles:Sukova (10)
Highest combined rank:Navratilova (#3 singles,#4 dubs).

Longest match: Curiously, no match on tour went 40 games more.

*Graf had a large 66 consecutive match win streak from 1989 broken at Berlin by Seles.
_____________________________________________________

*Average events entered for top 10 was 15.3
*only 2 defaults and 1 retirement for the entire top ten! Fernandez and K.Malleva each defeaulted once and Sanchez retired in Fed Cup.

*Head to head
1. The top ten met 72 times.
2. Seles (at 12-2) had the best percentage record
3. Graf had the most top ten wins at 17-5. All
of Graf's 5 defeats came to top ten women, while 4 of Seles' 6 loses
came to women outside the top 10.
4. Graf-Sanchez met the most, 5 times in all, with Graf winning
every encounter.
_____________________________________________

Former (and future) top tenners not in top 16.
*Match records include Challenger events and qualifying.

Balestrat 0-2
Bassett 3-3
Casals 0-1 lost at Family Circle Cup.
Coetzer 16-19
Jordan 8-9
Kohde 17-16 (1-17) won Kitzbuhel
Pierce 25-11 (1-12) won a challenger event
Hanika 7-10 (0-11) 1 Rt.
McNeil 17-20
Mandlikova 8-9
Shriver 8-5
Temesvari 8-20
-------------------------
Doubles top 10

Code:
[B] Name[/B]                [B] Points[/B]       [B] Record[/B]


1. Sukova                   2300                   59-5 (10-16)
2. Novtona                 2272                    60-8 (9-17)
3. G. Fernandez             1065                     49-15 (5-13)
4. Navratilova              939                      39-6 (5-13)
5. Smylie                    816                    47-15 (4-19)  
6. K. Jordan                    784                    44-12 (4-17)
7. Savchenko                  744                    55-15 (4-19)
8. Zvereva                      737                    49-15 (3-18)
9. Sanchez                      548                    41-11 (4-16)
10. Fendick                      498                    36-12 (2-15)
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
13,635 Posts
steffi didn't lose 15 matches in 1990.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Lee-Waters' Boy

·
Moderator
Joined
·
25,358 Posts
Discussion Starter #11 (Edited)
Code:
[B] Name[/B]                        [B] Points[/B]        [B] Record[/B]  

1. Seles                    1438               54-6         9 of 15
2. Graf                     1437               72-5       10 of 15
3. Navratilova               997               52-7         6 of 13
4. Sabatini                  952               49-14        2 of 16
5. M.J.Fernandez             582               40-10        2 of 12 
6. Garrison                  475               51-20        1 of 20
7. K. Maleeva                362               47-15        1 of 17 
8. Capriati                  349               42-11        1 of 12
9. Sanchez                   348               41-15        2 of 16 
10. Novotna                  309               43-16        1 of 17

11. Zvereva                  266               42-15        (2-17)
12. Man. Maleeva             266               42-16        (0-16)
13. Sukova                   260               41-17        (0-17)
14. Martinez                 238               42-10         4 of 13
15. Paulus                   199               35-15        (1-15)
16. Tauziat                  190               48-21        (1-21)
 

·
Chionophile
Joined
·
40,073 Posts
Welcome Rollo :) but as you can see for some reason you have to press the space bar to get some of them into the right place. Eventually they go in, it's just trial and error. ;)

It looks good though, thanks for the list :)
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
13,635 Posts
so in 99 lindsay was also better then Martina?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
32,932 Posts
i find it :eek:ing that the most events played there was Nathalie Tauziat at 21 events whereas these days someone like Dokic could be playing up to 28/29 events!!! :eek:
 
  • Like
Reactions: Lee-Waters' Boy

·
Moderator
Joined
·
25,358 Posts
Discussion Starter #16
It's quite a differenece isn't it Gorecki? Notice how many defaults/retirements there were for the top 10 in 1990-3. That's the whole top 10! Dokic herself withdrew or defaulted more than that in 2002.

Irma-Davenport was #1 for 1999 on my list. She won the WTA in addition to the slam, had a higher winning percentage than Hingis, and was 3-0 vs. Hingis.

But Hingis was my 1998 #1. Again, she was the only one to win a second major, she had a higher winning percentage than Davenport, and at least she won against Lindsay. The head to head was 2-3.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
4,863 Posts
Hi Rollo, How did you came up with the points tally. Is it merely that you calculated the total points each player accumilated during the year with out deducting last years results?? Sorry if I'm an airhead ;)

I just happen to have the 1990 end of year rankings.... as a comparison to Rollo's system I've inserted the WTA computer rankings.

1. Seles
2. Graf
3. Navratilova
4. Sabatini - Mary Jo
5. M.J.Fernandez - Gaby
6. Garrison - Maleeva
7. K. Maleeva - Sanchez
8. Capriati
9. Sanchez - Manuela
10. Novotna - Zina
11. Zvereva - Martinez
12. Man. Maleeva - Zvereva
13. Sukova - Jana
14. Martinez - Sukova
15. Paulus - Paulus
16. Tauziat - Frazier

* Weisner is 17, Tauzait 18

Rollo - where did Conchita end up on your system?
 

·
Moderator
Joined
·
25,358 Posts
Discussion Starter #18
OMG I forgot the chita! Thanks for the reminder Louloubelle.Conchita ended up at #14.

The rankings comparison convinces me I like my system better. No bias there on my part :angel: Really though, does anyone think Gaby had a worse year than Fernandez? And Zina at #10. Zina was the only woman all year to beat both Graf and Seles.


I was afraid someone would ask me the details of my little ranking system. Here goes:


1. Only the best 10 results count.
2. Points are weighted heavily towards winning.
Winner:10
Finalist: 4
Semis: 2
Quarters:1

3. Points are given per event based on a tier system. The tour point max is 300, while major events are set at 250. This way points don't go up or down each year.

4. After the top 10 is calculated women can move up or down based on heads to heads.
_____________________________

Using this year as an example;

Aussie Open (55 points)

Winner:Serena 550 points (55 x10)
RU :Venus 220
SF: Clijsters,Henin 110
Quarters 55
R16 27
---------------------------------
Winning Berlin or Rome would be 80(W) 32(RU) 16(SF) and 8(QF)
A regular tier 2 would be 60 for a win. 24 (RU)12 (SF) and 6(QF)
Tier 3's are 30(W) 12(RU) etc.
Tier 4 and 5's are 20 (W) 8 (RU) 4 (SF)
Challenger events are 10 (W) etc.

Slams since 1988 have been OZ and the US (55), French (56) Wimbledon (57). The WTA year-end event is 27. Total=250. Wimbledon and the French a worth a bit more as the only slams on their surface.
------------------------------------------------------

For 1990 Graf and Seles' numbers looked this this.

Graf 550-224-220-114-80-60-60-60-60-60* 1488
Seles 560-270-100-80-80-60-60-60-60-57* 1387

Head to heads I calculate this way-if a player has a point lead and a head to head lead the point stay the same. If the lower player has a head to head lead she moves and the other player moves down within 51
points per win. Thus with Graf/Seles there are 2 wins for Monica, moving her up 51 points and moving Graf down 51 points. Thus Monica beats out Steffi by 1 point, it was that close!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
3,551 Posts
LouLouBelle, Monica didn't become number 1 in the computer rankings until March 1991. Perhaps you have a 'magazine' ranking.

Rollo, thanks for the great thread. You really are a tennis nerd! Haha. Cool points system!

I have to say I disagree with the number 1 ranking of Monica. Back in late 1990 I honestly felt that Monica deserved the number 1 ranking for the year. I was desperate for someone to come along and knock Steffi down a notch, as it seemed her reign had no end in sight. Monica was so amazing in the way she handled Steffi in winning her first French and German Opens. Her 36 match winning streak was incredible as well. But looking back I think the computer was right to keep Steffi at number 1 for the year. She was by far the most consistent performer from beginning to end.

Steffi was a winner at the Aussie, runner up at French and US and semifinalist at Wimbledon and the Slims finale. Monica was a winner at the French and the Slims, a quaterfinalist at Wimbledon and the third rounder at US.

How many season ending number 1's boast a quarterfinal loss at Wimbldon and third round at the US? None that I can ever remember.

Monica just had too many bad loses, most glaringly the Linda Ferrando fiasco in the 3rd round at the US Open. Monica didn't play the Aussie and the people she lost to in 1990 were less than top name players (Frazier, Nideffer, Gildemeister). On the other hand, Steffi lost one less match and was only beaten by three players, Seles (twice), Sabatini (twice) and Zina.

I would certainly say that Monica deserved the #1 ranking as soon as she won the Aussie in 1991 (and Steffi was a lowly quaterfinalist to Jana). I think the computer screwed up in not awarding her that ranking until March (yeah I know she lost to Martina and Steffi in Feb/Mar, but by that time she was totally numero uno!).
 

·
Moderator
Joined
·
25,358 Posts
Discussion Starter #20
Tennis nerd! Well-you , u Chris Evert "stalker" you. BTW-if you crash that Evert reunion can you please get an autograph for old Rollo too? ;)


Mark, you make valid objections and a good case for Steffi. If Graf won a head to head vs Monica it would be clear cut, and even with my system Seles only won out by a hair. My only defense is while my ranking has biases (winning majors trumps other titles and head to heads throw close ones up or down) what method doesn't?

I have the cover of some company. World Tennis also had Seles as #1 in 1990

It's a tossup though, I admit it. That's why 1990 was one of my favorite years. I was REALLY missing Chris when along came Gaby (finally!), Martina found a second wind, and chipmunk Monica stormed the French.
It was a vintage year:)
 
1 - 20 of 151 Posts
Top