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This article is at <a href="http://www.tennisweek.com" target="_blank">http://www.tennisweek.com</a> <br />"Three different women held the No. 1 ranking during the 2001 season, but as far as former No. 1 Martina Navratilova is concerned only one player — Venus Williams — deserves the title as tennis' true No. 1

In a conference call with the media today to promote her exhibition match against Monica Seles scheduled for Saturday at the Mohegan Sun Arena, Navratilova said that despite her No. 3 ranking, Venus is clearly tennis' top player.

"I think there's no question that Venus Williams should be No. 1," Navratilova said. "The reason she was not No. 1 is they're taking the best (results) of 18 tournaments and I think that's too many. That's why you see people getting hurt — they're playing more than they want to play. How many tournaments does one need to play to be considered a bona fide contender for the No. 1 ranking. Is it 12? Is it 18? Is it 20? I don't know. But I don't think it's 18; I think it's less than that. So Venus was hurt by the way the ranking system works."

The owner of 18 Grand Slam singles titles, Navratilova believes the current ranking system places too much emphasis on the quantity of tournaments played rather than the qualify of a player's performance at tournaments.

"If we had the same computer ranking system we had 10 years ago, Venus Williams would have been No. 1, Jennifer Capriati would have been No. 2, Lindsay Davenport would have been No. 3 and Martina Hingis would have been No. 4," Navratilova said. "You see that (the current rankings) and you know the ranking does not reflect the proper performance. Right now, we're weighing too much on quantity and not quality and that's the bottom line."

Only nine women — Chris Evert, Navratilova, Tracy Austin, Monica Seles, Steffi Graf, Arantxa Sanchez-Vicario, Hingis, Davenport and Capriati — have held the WTA Tour's top spot since the computer rankings began. Navratilova suggests the premier position has lost a bit of its luster because the players believe the ranking system is an invalid and inaccurate measurement of player performance.

"Right now we know the computer system is not correct," Navratilova said. "That's why Lindsay was downplaying the fact that she ended up No. 1 — because she knows deep down she was not No. 1 for the year. They're revamping it, but I don't think they're going quite far enough in revamping it."

Part of the proposed plan to review the ranking system includes assigning more ranking points to Grand Slam events. This year, two players — Capriati and Williams — split the four Grand Slams with Capriati capturing the Australian and French Open titles and Williams winning Wimbledon and the U.S. Open. Though they were the only Grand Slam champions both were surpassed in the year-end rankings by Davenport, who failed to reach a Grand Slam final.

Seles said players seem divided on the subject of adding more value to the Grand Slam events, but she believes Grand Slam results should matter more in the rankings and i's willing to reserve judgment until the new ranking system is in place for a year.

"In terms of (points) rankings of Grand Slams, I think it depends upon who you talk to," Seles said. "One person thinks that is not easy to play consistently good tennis from January 1st to December 31st and the other one is obviously winning the Grand Slams. I think the tour looked into that and made adjustments for 2002 and we'll see how it works. It's difficult because you see so many injuries this year on the tour. Half of the players have been hurt during parts of the year and that hurts the tour. You'd have to almost triple the (ranking) points (for Grand Slams) because already in Grand Slams I think the points are double. We'll see how it works in 2002 — giving the Grand Slams even more (ranking) points — which I think rightly they deserve."

While acknowledging the importance of the Grand Slams, Navratilova said that increasing the value of Grand Slams in the rankings could devalue Tier events and ultimately weaken the Tour.

"We need to remember it's the tour that supports the game — not the Grand Slams," Navratilova said. "So I wouldn't want to see the de-emphasizing of the points on the tour or emphasizing further the points of the Grand Slams."

<br />Hmmmm Seems to backup what William's fans have been saying all along. <br /> <br />



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as long as the greedy WTA insists on putting quantity over quality, there will be the same problem with the rankings.

I don't want to see any player, favorite or not out there playing 20+ tourneys and wearing themselves out, because of the system.

Maybe the WTA will get the point...someday. <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">
 

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As always, so true Martina, I hope the smaller events will still attract some big players but who know's. The new Sarasota Open already has Conchita, Iva, Daja, Meghann and Chanda. An article in the Sarasota paper stated: One of the remaining four wild cards is supposed to go to a gold exempt player. The primary player pursued by tournament officials has been Seles. I would love to see her there!
 

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TSequoia01 you crack me up. Ripping Martina on another thread for not calling it quits and playing Monica in an exo and here you are posting an article promoting her match with Seles.
 

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But Venus should at least play more than 9-10-11 tourneys a year though.
 

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There's truth in that there post, Ms. Navratilova. You know it, we know it, and any others who claim to disagree know it (if they have even half a brain).
 

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[email protected] Williams fans, they hated Navratilova for speaking her mind on Richard (even looked into to find things she never said) now what she says is gospel....Funny thing that <img src="tongue.gif" border="0">

<br />Wonder what Dawn will have to say about double standards now?

[ November 27, 2001: Message edited by: Adrian ]</p>
 

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I agree that she's right to a certain extent, that as far as results go, Venus is no.1.

But still we can always beg the question.

Venus may be no. 1 if you use the ranking system 10 years back. BUT if you use the past ranking system, the other players will understand that you do NOT have to play as many tournaments , as a result they too focus on quality and not quantity and thus is able to play their A+ games at all times instead of compromising quality for quantity. And who is to say that their A+ games will not beat the Williamses' games.

The problem right now is Venus is not injuring herself in trying to meet with the requirements of the current system. She's injuring herself even while playing only about 10 tournaments.
 

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easy... you &^&@#@..... I'll find you later and squish you to bits... <img src="graemlins/firey.gif" border="0" alt="[Fiery]" /> <img src="graemlins/firey.gif" border="0" alt="[Fiery]" /> <img src="tongue.gif" border="0">
 

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agree with adrian!
 

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<img src="graemlins/lick.gif" border="0" alt="[Lick]" />

hmmmm ... nice barbecued williams_rulez

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Originally posted by Adrian:<br /><strong>[email protected] Williams fans, they hated Navratilova for speaking her mind on Richard (even looked into to find things she never said) now what she says is gospel....Funny thing that <img src="tongue.gif" border="0">

<br />Wonder what Dawn will have to say about double standards now?
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Actually Adrian since you want to pick on Dawn about double standards. It was the Hingis fans that praised Navratilova for her comments about Richard and how people treat Venus and Serena, and it was also the same fans that hated her for what she said about Martina's ranking and game during a match. So you see double standards apply to more than just certain Williams fans.

I think Martina talking about the ranking system and talking about a player are two different things. To me if she felt so strongly about Richards actions and how people treated Venus and Serena than she should have done better than go to Lindsay and a reporter about it behind their backs like a little school girl. She should have told them how she felt. If she had something negative to say about Martina's game or whatever she should have went to her like an adult and given her some advice. But she seems to like sitting back and critisizing people without their knowledge one minute. Then praising them for their accomplishments the next. But the ranking system is a different deal. Not because I'm a Williams fan, but because it's a subject that applies to all players. Not specific ones.
 

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It was the Hingis fans that praised Navratilova for her comments about Richard and how people treat Venus and Serena, and it was also the same fans that hated her for what she said about Martina's ranking and game during a match.<hr></blockquote>

LOL, when did this happen? <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">
 

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Alas QueenV, you have prooved my point totally. Martina N spoke about Richard Honestly as she sees it and also praised Venus and Serena in the same interview (This is where certain people tried to turn it into a assault against Venus and Serena), Some Williams fans even went as far as "How dare she insult Venus and Serena", when all she had was praise for both, it was RICHARD, she had an issue with and addressed. As for Martina going behind anyone's back, you really seem to have not read the interview or have a rather meek grasp on reality.

Last, but not least, I wasn't attacking Dawn about Double standards, if you know Dawn at all (by your comments it seems improbable), she is a fighter for a fair go for all, and deeply against people applying a standard for one, then not another. She would see certain answers by, yes, "Certain Williams fans", to apply the double standard she so strongly opposes.
 

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YES YES YES !!! Thank You MARTINA for agreeing with fans of tennis, fans of Venus Williams! I agree totally with her on this particular issue.

Adrian I disagreed with what Martina said concerning Richard earlier in the year still think she was way out of line and yes lost some respect for her, BUT I agree with her on this issue. <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">

You can tell people (ALOT OF MARTINA N fans are seething with her statement)going against their lil fight.. HA HA <img src="wink.gif" border="0">

YES I am glad she said this about the WTA tour! AND QUEENVENUS <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

Heard it here folks even MARTINA N thinks Venus is NUMBER 1 <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> And I quite agree <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">

Fearless Venus rulez! By the way PEA Venus played 13 tourneys not 9, 10, 11. And if she did then she was INJURED that year. <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

HIYA ADRIAN <img src="graemlins/wavey.gif" border="0" alt="[Wavey]" /> SMOOCHES <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

[ November 27, 2001: Message edited by: Dawn Marie ]</p>
 

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C'mon now Dawn, you can committ all the way, certain fans of Venus and Serena, apply the double standard..TRUE OR FALSE????

<br />No smooches because i'm an <img src="graemlins/angel.gif" border="0" alt="[Angel]" />
 

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Adrian - Watch Dawn tapdance around the subject now... Dawn Admit Willi fans could be guilty of double standards??? Your dreamin buddy!! <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

<br />Martina was right about Richard, he is a complete wanker, and she is right about Venus - she is the real # 1.
 

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I have ALWAYS stated that ALL fans of every fanbase can apply double standards Not one single fan base whether it be Venus or Hingis are perfect little posters. Good ad ornery in EVERY FANBASE. Even Seles fans ALL fans.

Still Adrian Just because I felt strongly against what Navratalova said doesn't mean that I cant AGREE with what she said now. There is no black or white only shades of grey. Yes she pissed me off earlier but so what? I choose to like her statements and am quite happy that she agrees with me. She feels that Venus is #1 in the world and that makes me happy. Afterall she knows her tennis. Which I always liked. I never knocked her game and respect her for playing. I just happend to disagree with her about a WHOLE OTHER ISSUE. <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

FEARLESS VENUS RULES <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

She is #1 in MY and Martina N. heart <img src="smile.gif" border="0">
 
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