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We spend a lot of time (or at least I have) wondering if Maria K's ranking is going to move up or down or stay the same, so it's probably useful for all of us to have a thread started on this subject.

As of February 27, 2006, her ranking stands at #23.

The rankings around her are as follows:

20 (18) PENNETTA, FLAVIA ITA 868.00
21 (21) JANKOVIC, JELENA SCG 832.00
22 (22) GROENEFELD, ANNA-LENA GER 815.00
23 (23) KIRILENKO, MARIA RUS 788.75
24 (24) GOLOVIN, TATIANA FRA 758.00
25 (25) MEDINA GARRIGUES, ANABEL ESP 755.00

Has anyone tried to calculate the 788.75 points that the WTA Tour has posted? I've tried it and I think I know all the rules about the Grand Slams + NASDAQ 100 counting + the Top 17 counting, but I can only come up with a total of 783.5 for Maria. What am I missing? I have the S'Hertogenbosch result as her 17th best result.
 

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Ranking Preview - Doha

Last year, she played the Dubai event where she gained 4 points after losing in the second round of the quallies. These points are less than her 17th-best event over the past 52 weeks which is S'Hertogenbosch. There, she got 16 points for a round of 16 result at a Tier III $170K event. Therefore, she can only gain points at Doha.

A win over #200 Ting Li will get her 25 points, replacing the 16 from S'Hertogenbosch.

A win over either #53 Zheng or #15 Kuznetsova will give her 49 points.

If she makes it to the quarterfinals, her point total will (should) be 821.75.

#20 Pennetta and #22 Groenefeld are the top two seeds at a Tier III in Mexico City. Should they do decently there, they should stay ahead of Maria. Although Pennetta won this event last year, those point were already removed since it was played a week prior to last year. This is why Pennetta went down from #18 to #20. Neither Pennetta nor Groenefeld have any points to defend going into Acapulco.

However, #21 Jankovic played in Dubai last year and made the finals. (NOTE: Doha and Dubai switched dates this year, so although Dubai has already been played this year, the points from last year's Dubai tournament still count now). She has 137 points to defend from that tournament. Even if she makes the semis at Doha, she'll lose points and just enough to fall behind Maria K.

Therefore, Maria should move up to #22 barring anything bizarre happenning, like someone beneath her doing really well this week. But Maria has some sizable distance between her and anyone ranked out of the Top 25, so there's no reason for concern here.

QUESTION: Am I spending too much time thinking about this?
 

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dan. said:
great job !!! :) what will it be after she wins doha? :p
Thanks, Dan!

Well, if she wins Doha, she'll be #1 for the day! ;)

But, most likely with the extra 186 points, she'll be #17 ahead of Ivanovic, assuming all others stay put. That is, of course, if I'm figuring this system out correctly, which is still a big IF.
 

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RonnieB33 said:
Has anyone tried to calculate the 788.75 points that the WTA Tour has posted? I've tried it and I think I know all the rules about the Grand Slams + NASDAQ 100 counting + the Top 17 counting, but I can only come up with a total of 783.5 for Maria. What am I missing? I have the S'Hertogenbosch result as her 17th best result.

Sorry for late reply , didn`t have time last week for this...

I tried to calculate the 799.75 points from this week ranking and... I can`t :lol: but I`m not exactly sure how many points she earned last year in Miami, Wimbledon and US Open, so if you (or anyone else) know that, then maybe we will solve the mystery ;)
 

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All tournaments from the last 52 weeks (from best to worst;)):



1. Beijing - 195 Pts.

2. Tokyo`06 [Pan Pacific] - 75

3. Australian Open`06 - 62

4. Indian Wells - 56

5. Tokyo [Japan Open] - 55

6. Dubai`06 - 55

7. Wimbledon - 38(?)

8. US Open - 38(?)

9. Warsaw - 36.75

10. Guangzhou - 30

11. Berlin - 25

12. New Haven - 25

13. Sydney`06 - 25

14. Doha`06 - 25

15. Auckland`06 - 24

16. Miami - 16(?)

17. s'Hertogenbosch - 16

18. Los Angeles - 14

19. Birmingham - 9

20. Roland Garros - 2

21. Rome - 1

22. San Diego - 1

23. Toronto - 1

24. Moscow - 1


[I`m not 100 % sure about Wimbledon, US Open and Miami points]
 

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Miami - 3
Wimbledon - 42
US Open - 46
 

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Keraj said:
Thanks for the reply TeaMashA :) but quality points are excluded from the ranking now. So it can`t be 42 and 46.
i got them from the official WTA website
 

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Keraj said:
All tournaments from the last 52 weeks (from best to worst;)):

7. Wimbledon - 38(?)
8. US Open - 38(?)
16. Miami - 16(?)

[I`m not 100 % sure about Wimbledon, US Open and Miami points]
Keraj, I also had 38 for both Wimbledon and US Open, but have 19 for Miami since it's a Tier I $3,000,000 tournament.

You're correct about the quality points. Though they are still posted on the WTA website, they were taken away at the start of the year. Otherwise, Maria would have well over 1,000 points right now.

Thanks for listing these, Keraj!
 

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WTA Rankings - as of 3/6/2006

Rankings have been posted in other places in Kirilenko's Orchestra, but I'd thought I'd keep the Top 32 here since the name of the thread seems to require it.

I'll try to post these on a weekly basis, so that one would always know where to find the WTA Tour rankings. Sure, you can always goto the official WTA Tour rankings here, but those don't have Maria highlighted in magenta, no?

The big movers were #17 Pennetta and #18 Groenfeld, and of course #32 Hingis, who in my opinion, is already Top 15 material. #26 Jankovic was the big loser this week after last year's semfinal appearance in Dubai got wiped out by a first-round loss this year in Doha.

1 (1) CLIJSTERS, KIM BEL 3566.00
2 (2) MAURESMO, AMELIE FRA 3538.00
3 (4) HENIN-HARDENNE, JUSTINE BEL 2798.00
4 (3) DAVENPORT, LINDSAY USA 2707.00
5 (5) SHARAPOVA, MARIA RUS 2574.00
6 (6) PIERCE, MARY FRA 2517.00
7 (8) PETROVA, NADIA RUS 2160.00
8 (7) DEMENTIEVA, ELENA RUS 2043.00
9 (9) SCHNYDER, PATTY SUI 1900.00
10 (10) WILLIAMS, VENUS USA 1492.00
11 (11) SCHIAVONE, FRANCESCA ITA 1282.00
12 (12) MYSKINA, ANASTASIA RUS 1209.00
13 (14) KUZNETSOVA, SVETLANA RUS 1194.00
14 (13) VAIDISOVA, NICOLE CZE 1182.00
15 (15) HANTUCHOVA, DANIELA SVK 1002.00
16 (16) LIKHOVTSEVA, ELENA RUS 986.00
17 (20) PENNETTA, FLAVIA ITA 951.00
18 (22) GROENEFELD, ANNA-LENA GER 919.00
19 (17) IVANOVIC, ANA SCG 912.00
20 (18) DECHY, NATHALIE FRA 881.00
21 (19) SAFINA, DINARA RUS 873.00
22 (23) KIRILENKO, MARIA RUS 799.75
23 (24) GOLOVIN, TATIANA FRA 758.00
24 (25) MEDINA GARRIGUES, ANABEL ESP 755.00
25 (26) SUGIYAMA, AI JPN 739.50
26 (21) JANKOVIC, JELENA SCG 696.00
27 (28) KOUKALOVA, KLARA CZE 636.75
28 (27) SREBOTNIK, KATARINA SLO 623.00
29 (29) DULKO, GISELA ARG 613.00
30 (30) SAFAROVA, LUCIE CZE 594.50
31 (32) ARVIDSSON, SOFIA SWE 584.50
32 (44) HINGIS, MARTINA SUI 583.00
 

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RonnieB33 said:
Keraj, I also had 38 for both Wimbledon and US Open, but have 19 for Miami since it's a Tier I $3,000,000 tournament.
Of course ! And that makes a perfect 799.75 points from her 17 best tournaments.

But then what about this rule:

"The ranking points earned by any player who competes in the Main Draw of a Grand Slam Tournament must count on a player’s ranking as one of her best 17 Tournament results."

So what about her 2 points from Roland Garros ?

Now I think, I`m spending too much time thinking about this ;) :lol:
 

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Keraj said:
Of course ! And that makes a perfect 799.75 points from her 17 best tournaments.

But then what about this rule:

"The ranking points earned by any player who competes in the Main Draw of a Grand Slam Tournament must count on a player’s ranking as one of her best 17 Tournament results."

So what about her 2 points from Roland Garros ?

Now I think, I`m spending too much time thinking about this ;) :lol:
Yes, this is the rule that stumped me, too. I can only guess is that this rule does not apply to past grand slam performances since that wouldn't be fair to those who opted not to play in a Grand Slam without knowing they'd be penalized for it at the time. OK, this makes sense now.

Thanks for helping me clear this up! Now I'll stop thinking about this too much. :D
 

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All tournaments from the last 52 weeks (as of Mar 6, 2006)

OK Everything is clear now, so here is the list with corrected points for Miami (Thanks Ronnie):



1. Beijing - 195 Pts.

2. Tokyo`06 [Pan Pacific] - 75

3. Australian Open`06 - 62

4. Indian Wells - 56 <--------------- NEXT OFF

5. Tokyo [Japan Open] - 55

6. Dubai`06 - 55

7. Wimbledon - 38

8. US Open - 38

9. Warsaw - 36.75

10. Guangzhou - 30

11. Berlin - 25

12. New Haven - 25

13. Sydney`06 - 25

14. Doha`06 - 25 <----------------- POINTS ADDED

15. Auckland`06 - 24

16. Miami - 19

17. s'Hertogenbosch - 16

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18. Los Angeles - 14

19. Birmingham - 9

20. Roland Garros - 2

21. Rome - 1

22. San Diego - 1

23. Toronto - 1

24. Moscow - 1
 

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Rankings Preview: Pacific Life Open

Pacific Life Open
Indian Wells, CA, USA
March 8-19, 2006
Tier I
Prize Money: $2,100,000
Draw: 96M/48Q/32D

Points Given:
325 Points for winning
228 points for reaching finals
146 points for reaching semifinals
81 points for reaching quarterfinals
45 points for reaching round of 16
28 points for reaching third round
16 points for reaching second round
1 point for reaching first round

Maria’s Current Ranking:
#22

Maria’s Current Point Total:
799.75

Maria’s Previous Result:
Round of 16 (with 2 qualifying wins)

Points to be defended:
56 (45 main draw points + 11 qualifying points)

Wow, 11th seed!! This is a combination of how thin the player list is and the rapid improvement of Maria. She’ll need to reach the quarterfinals to avoid losing points. She has an excellent chance of doing this considering that she’s facing the lowest seed possible (#8 Ivanovic) in the round of 16, whom she had beaten a couple of weeks ago. Still, there are still two more matches till she has that opportunity.

The only player ranked closely above her who has significant points to defend is #20 Natalie Dechy, who reached the quarterfinals in Indian Wells last year and has 81 points to defend. She is precisely 81.25 points ahead of Maria coming into the tournament, and has only won one match this year with three losses. Maria will still have to reach the quarters in order to have a chance to pass her.

#19 Ana Ivanovic did not play Indian Wells last year and has no points to defend. She is 112.25 points ahead of Maria.

#21 Danira Safina reached the third round at Indian Wells last year and has 28 points to defend. She is 73.25 points ahead of Maria.

#23 Tatiana Golovin is 41.75 behind Maria, but has a round of 16 appearance to defend, so it’ll be difficult for Gollovin to pass Maria.

Forecast:
I see Maria reaching the Round of 16, and hopefully she can pull off the upset against Ivanovic. Ana could also lose early which would open up the door to the QFs. This tournament is like two tournaments where the first four rounds are like a Tier III event where Maria is the second seed. If she wins this first “tournament”, the next three rounds is a tier I event where only top players are in her way.

In terms of rankings, she is in an island by herself and will need big results (at least QF) at these events to move up. She should remain at #22 heading into Miami where she’ll have only 19 points to defend. This tournament is where Maria can really move up.
 

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On to Miami...

Surprising loss for Maria, but only experience can come out of such a loss. At least it wasn't to someone ranked out of the Top 50. Unfortunately, she loses 28 points from last year which brings her total to 771.75. #23 Golovin and #24 Medina-Garrigues lost already so they cannot overtake her. #25 Sugiyama is closing in on Maria since Sugiyama had no points to defend and has reached the round of 16. I doubt she'll beat JHH today, so it depends on what Sugiyama's #17 tournament was worth. Also, if Martina Hingis reaches the finals, she'll leapfrog over Maria as well. To me, it's inevitable that Hingis will reach the Top 20 by the end of this month, so we might as well make Maria #23 right now anyway.

Only a 2nd round result to defend in Miami, so cheer up Makiri fans! As long as we don't hear any news about a tweaked knee.... :tape: :unsure: :scared:
 

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Only a 2nd round result to defend in Miami, so cheer up Makiri fans! As long as we don't hear any news about a tweaked knee.... :tape: :unsure: :scared:
RonnieB-awesome thread! The knee held up, she was moving around nicely yesterday against Big Masha. And a 4th round point achievement will more than cover the 16 points from last year's second round. But #24 Golovin has made the quarters and may make the semis while #23 Sugiyama just lost today in the quarters. As there were only 30 points between Makiri and #24 Golovin wonder how many points they had to defend. And Hingis was only 40 points behind at #26 and as we know she has zero points to defend... all year. But it seems Makiri will stay ahead of Martina at least for another week.
 
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