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Against Venus*
2002 Stanford Hard (O) FR Venus WILLIAMS 3-6 3-6
2002 San Diego Hard (O) QF Venus WILLIAMS 3-6 7-5 4-6
2002 W.T.A. Tour Championships Hard (I) SF Kim CLIJSTERS 5-0 Retired
2003 Antwerp Carpet (I) FR Venus WILLIAMS 2-6 4-6
2003 WimbledonGrass (O) SF Venus WILLIAMS 6-4 3-6 1-6

*Venus leads 4:1

Against Serena
2002 Tokyo Hard (O) FR Serena WILLIAMS 6-2 3-6 3-6 2002 W.T.A. Tour Championships Hard (I) FR Kim CLIJSTERS 7-5 6-3
2003 Hopman Cup 2003 Hard (I) R1 Serena WILLIAMS 5-7 3-6
2003 Australian Open Hard (O) SF Serena WILLIAMS 6-4 3-6 5-7
2003 Miami Hard (O) SF Serena WILLIAMS 4-6 2-6

Serena leads 4:1
*Against JHH

2003 Antwerp Carpet (I) SF Kim CLIJSTERS 6-2 7-6(3) 2003 Berlin Clay (O) FR Justine HENIN-HARDENNE 4-6 6-4 5-7
2003 Roland Garros Clay (O) FR Justine HENIN-HARDENNE 0-6 4-6
2003 's-Hertogenbosch Grass (O) FR Kim CLIJSTERS 6-7(4) 3-0 Retired
2003 Californian Hard(O) FR Justine Henin-Hardenne 6-2 3-6 3-6

JHH leads 3:2 *Venus and JHH retired in one of those five matches.
Kim is 4:11 in each of their last 5 matches (two victories to retirement) against the 3 other ladies who we consider her chief rivals. Has this ever happened to a #1 player?
 

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Against Venus*
2002 Stanford Hard (O) FR Venus WILLIAMS 3-6 3-6
2002 San Diego Hard (O) QF Venus WILLIAMS 3-6 7-5 4-6
2002 W.T.A. Tour Championships Hard (I) SF Kim CLIJSTERS 5-0 Retired
2003 Antwerp Carpet (I) FR Venus WILLIAMS 2-6 4-6
2003 WimbledonGrass (O) SF Venus WILLIAMS 6-4 3-6 1-6

*Venus leads 4:1

Against Serena
2002 Tokyo Hard (O) FR Serena WILLIAMS 6-2 3-6 3-6 2002 W.T.A. Tour Championships Hard (I) FR Kim CLIJSTERS 7-5 6-3
2003 Hopman Cup 2003 Hard (I) R1 Serena WILLIAMS 5-7 3-6
2003 Australian Open Hard (O) SF Serena WILLIAMS 6-4 3-6 5-7
2003 Miami Hard (O) SF Serena WILLIAMS 4-6 2-6

Serena leads 4:1
*Against JHH

2003 Antwerp Carpet (I) SF Kim CLIJSTERS 6-2 7-6(3) 2003 Berlin Clay (O) FR Justine HENIN-HARDENNE 4-6 6-4 5-7
2003 Roland Garros Clay (O) FR Justine HENIN-HARDENNE 0-6 4-6
2003 's-Hertogenbosch Grass (O) FR Kim CLIJSTERS 6-7(4) 3-0 Retired
2003 Californian Hard(O) FR Justine Henin-Hardenne 6-2 3-6 3-6

JHH leads 3:2 *Venus and JHH retired in one of those five matches.
Kim is 4:8 in each of their last 5 matches (two victories to retirement) against the 3 other ladies who we consider her chief rivals. Has this ever happened to a #1 player?
why do you put some 2002 to Venus and Serena? and not to Kim?

Kim def. Henin at the masters last year
 

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The correction is made.
Infiniti, it's the last 5 matches.
 

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Cmon Kim,
I don't understand your comment.
 

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Come-on-kim said:
why do you put some 2002 to Venus and Serena? and not to Kim?

Kim def. Henin at the masters last year
This thread is about their last FIVE matches against Kim. Venus and Serena's happen to span into 2002, while Justine has had 5 matches this year with Kim.

Understand?
 

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she was doing the last five matches.
 

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1 kim has never been great against venus or serena. she has 2 wins total over both of them, 1 off of each of them. her best chance at any top opponent other than venus or serena has been justine. and that has to do with justine is about 10X's below venus and serena.
 

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Infiniti,
I'm gonna have to choke you. . . LOL
 

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What is the importance of 5 matches, wouldn't it b betta 2 say in the last 12 months or 6 months. I would think it would b a betta indicator if u were 2 use time instead of matches. But that is just my opinion! What does this thread achieve neway?
 

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'nana,
Seriously, I just used the five matches as an arbitrary marker. If we went much further back, especially in the case of Vee and Serena, it would look worse for Kimmie.
The point is to highlight the record of the future #1 against her chief rivals up to this point. That's what we do here from time to time. :)
 

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wow these are amazing stats.

sure kim does brilliantly against everyone outside the top4, which is a credit to her, but its interesting that in head to head battles, she would be considered the 4th best out of serena, venus, justine and herself.
 

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Knizzle said:
Henin may get away with the US Open 2003, if it wasn't for that meddling Venus Williams. :lol: :lol: :lol:
I admire your courage, I personally don't like to make predictions because I can't see the future.

I can only see who I think is likely to do well and can have a shot at the title but never, ever I would affirm categorically that someone is going to win.

I guess I don't like to look stupid if I am wrong.
 

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she was doing the last five matches.
But why? Why not do the matches within the last year (52 weeks) with these players because he/she is obivously trying to challenge Kim's claim to the number #1 ranking.
 

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I know it won't make much of a difference, but I think it would make more sense.
 
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