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Well some journalists did ask Justine's opinion about the thing with the first serve. This is her version:

Well I did raise my hand but Serena saw it and choose to serve after all. It was up to the umpire to decide what to do witj it but I didn't do anything wrong so I didn't say anything.

Well that's about it...

I made this topic only because some people were wondering why nobody asked it on Justine during the interview yesterday. This is from the interview today :)
 

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Perfectly understandable that Justine felt that Serena didn't deserve another first serve, since JHH felt Serena chose to serve anyway. We should try to remember that this was an extremely tense match, being played under difficult circumstances, and not expect perfect reactions by any player.
 

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thanx Fleem! I was going to post this too, b/c it needs to be said.
 

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SerenaJWilliams said:
yea ok and if the serve went in then???....:confused:
Who knows??
 

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Yes, but in the mean time Justine lost a lot of credit in the whole tennisworld thkx to the allegations from Serena.

This comment of Justine from today won't be broadcasted. Instead all of the TV-stations are showing the press-conference of Serena "saying Justine cheated".

Damage is already done.

I already said it yesterday that I couldn't understand Serena her remarks cause she served anyway. She shouldn't have asked for that first serve again. That was unfair from her too
 

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I feel bad too because the press really made a huge story about this and actually it wasn't a big thing. And even in the flemish press they only gave serena's comments about ju being unfair and a liar and didn't really give any other information about this. So if you didn't see the match you would think it's the complete truth, which it obviously wasn't...

I really hope this will be forgotten soon, because it was a big big nothing
 

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I already said it yesterday that I couldn't understand Serena her remarks cause she served anyway. She shouldn't have asked for that first serve again. That was unfair from her too
No, Serena was right. It's like that in the rules: you must get a new serve if the opponent asks a small pause and you have served.

I don't like Justine's passiveness. Her great win is overshadowed with it ... Bad choice ... But I'll remain a fan.

Ask yourself this question: what if the second serve was out?! Outburst by Serena??? Booing as a result and Justine looking even more bitchy. Serena luckily had that serve in :eek:
 
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Um, Serena was already in her serve motion when Justine put her hand up - Serena didn't have much choice but to keep serving. It's hard to stop serving mid-motion. That's a crap excuse from Justine, and it's definitely passive (as Nemesis said).

Justine knows the umpire said he didn't see Justine put her hand up, and instead of admitting that she had, Justine said nothing (or denied it). That's is poor sportsmanship...and had Serena done that to Justine, I am sure Justine would have complained after the match.
 

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Serena didn't ask Justine and neither did the umpire. If you're honest, I think not so many people would have stepped forward and said you did. Try to put yourself in the situation of being in the semi of the tournament of your dreams and this situation. I don't say it was completely correct or even fair, but I do think it was perfectly human
 

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Are people saying Serena deliberately hit the ball into the net because she saw Justine's hand up?
Because I am not sure what Justine was supposed to do about it.

Do you think that if Serena's serve had gone in, she would have stopped the point? Usually, when a player puts their hand up, they are the ones who ask for the serve to be replayed.

I don't think I've ever seen the server ask to have the point played over.

Anyway, this is kind of much to do about not so very much, as it did NOT cost Serena a game or the match. She lost because Justine out playerd her, end of story.
 

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Well Jenglisbe why don't you proof me that Serena didn't see it before she tossed? You can't neither can I proof the other thing so you will allways stand up for your favo.

Leave it here, I just wanted to give Justine's version, not a new discussion about what happend. There were old-players saying on television that this wasx not a big deal and that other players, in fact even the Sisters, did things that were more worse than this thing in the semi's.

So maybe think about that first ;)
 

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fleemke - Justine didn't put her hand up until Serena started her serve, so it would have been impossible for Serena to see it before she served ;)

Tony - the rules are the rules; when a player raises their hand to stop a serve/point, it's considered a let and the server gets to re-serve. Justine made a motion to stop play, and thus Serena should have gotten another 1st serve. Even the commentators acknowledged this.
As for that not making a difference - it could have made a difference. If Serena got to hit another 1st serve and had a good one, she could have gone up 40-0 and would likely have been up 5-2. Instead she had to hit a 2nd serve, lost the point, and ended up losing the game. Moreso, she had the crowd against her even more. That "incident" was a huge turning point, really.
 
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Proof me that Serena didn't see it ;)
 

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". We should try to remember that this was an extremely tense match, being played under difficult circumstances, and not expect perfect reactions by any player."

You are right, but it is also during these tense situations that our character is tested, and from what I saw justine failed. Had Serena aced her I bet she would have spoken up.

GO KIM
 

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Nemesis,

May I tell you that you're a remarkable Justine fan? I've always cheered for her over Kim and all other players she played except when she played my top 2 favs. But those days are over. She's a cheat. Kim would have owned up to her actions.
 

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fleemke - how could Serena see something that had not yet happened? I just saw yet another replay of the incident, and Serena had already tossed the ball up when Justine motioned that she was not ready.

Mary Carillo said on NBC that Justine was talked to during the match and said, "Just play."
 

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jenglisbe said:
fleemke - Justine didn't put her hand up until Serena started her serve, so it would have been impossible for Serena to see it before she served ;)

Tony - the rules are the rules; when a player raises their hand to stop a serve/point, it's considered a let and the server gets to re-serve. Justine made a motion to stop play, and thus Serena should have gotten another 1st serve. Even the commentators acknowledged this.
As for that not making a difference - it could have made a difference. If Serena got to hit another 1st serve and had a good one, she could have gone up 40-0 and would likely have been up 5-2. Instead she had to hit a 2nd serve, lost the point, and ended up losing the game. Moreso, she had the crowd against her even more. That "incident" was a huge turning point, really.
Very well said!
 

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i made the slowmotion of the point even slower with my vcr and it was apparent that serena did not see justine's hand when she served as she was looking up when justine's hand went up. justine then, seeing serena didn't notice her hand, tried to bring her hand back down a would have started playing the point.
 

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DA FOREHAND said:
". We should try to remember that this was an extremely tense match, being played under difficult circumstances, and not expect perfect reactions by any player."

You are right, but it is also during these tense situations that our character is tested, and from what I saw justine failed. Had Serena aced her I bet she would have spoken up.
I echo that!
 
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