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It's NOT a good record. She's never beaten a top 15 player on American hardcourts.

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99 US Open         128 L MAURESMO          (FRA) 1-6 4-6   
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00 Canadian Open    64 W SVENSSON          (SWE) 6-2 4-6 6-3   
00 Canadian Open    32 L DAVENPORT         (USA) 6-3 6-7 2-6   
00 New Haven        32 W APPELMANS         (BEL) 6-2 6-4   
00 New Haven        16 L COETZER           (RSA) 2-6 6-4 1-6   
00 U.S. Open       128 W LABAT             (ARG) 6-2 6-4   
00 U.S. Open        64 W MOLIK             (AUS) 6-2 6-2   
00 U.S. Open        32 W KOURNIKOVA        (RUS) 6-4 7-6   
00 U.S. Open        16 L DAVENPORT         (USA) 0-6 4-6   
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01 Scottsdale       32 L SERNA             (ESP) 6-7 6-7   
01 Indian Wells     64 W RITTNER           (GER) 6-3 6-4   
01 Indian Wells     32 L CLIJSTERS         (BEL) 6-1 4-6 3-6   
01 Miami            64 W BOVINA            (RUS) 6-2 6-2   
01 Miami            32 L GARBIN            (ITA) 3-6 1-6   
01 Canadian Open    32 W SUGIYAMA          (JPN) 6-4 7-6   
01 Canadian Open    16 W FRAZIER           (USA) 6-3 6-2   
01 Canadian Open    QF L SELES             (USA) 6-1 2-6 2-6   
01 New Haven        32 W SVENSSON          (SWE) 6-2 6-3   
01 New Haven        16 W SCHETT            (AUT) 6-3 6-2   
01 New Haven        QF L V. WILLIAMS       (USA) 3-6 7-5 2-6   
01 U.S. Open       128 W IRVIN             (USA) 6-3 6-3   
01 U.S. Open        64 W SCHNYDER          (SUI) 6-7 6-1 6-4   
01 U.S. Open        32 W VAVRINEC          (SUI) 6-3 6-2   
01 U.S. Open        16 L S. WILLIAMS       (USA) 5-7 0-6   
01 Waikoloa         32 W DOMINIKOVIC       (AUS) 6-2 6-0   
01 Waikoloa         16 W PRATT             (AUS) 6-1 6-4   
01 Waikoloa         QF W CRAYBAS           (USA) 6-0 6-4   
01 Waikoloa         SF W RAYMOND           (USA) 6-2 6-2   
01 Waikoloa         FR L TESTUD            (FRA) 3-6 0-2 Ret  
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02 Indian Wells     64 W MATEVZIC          (SLO) 5-7 6-4 6-4   
02 Indian Wells     32 W Ad. SERRA ZANETTI (ITA) 6-3 6-0   
02 Indian Wells     16 L HANTUCHOVA        (SVK) 3-6 3-6   
02 Miami            64 L PISTOLESI         (ISR) 7-6 3-6 4-6   
02 Stanford         32 L IRVIN             (USA) 3-6 6-4 1-6   
02 Canadian Open    32 W NAGYOVA           (SVK) 5-7 6-0 4-1 Ret  
02 Canadian Open    16 W SCHIAVONE         (ITA) 6-3 7-6   
02 Canadian Open    QF L CAPRIATI          (USA) 6-4 0-6 2-6   
02 New Haven        16 L MYSKINA           (RUS) 5-7 2-6   
02 U.S. Open       128 W REEVES            (USA) 6-1 6-2   
02 U.S. Open        64 W BLACK             (ZIM) 6-3 6-2   
02 U.S. Open        32 W BIELIK            (USA) 7-5 6-1   
02 U.S. Open        16 L HANTUCHOVA        (SVK) 1-6 6-3 6-7   
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03 Miami            64 W DOUCHEVINA        (RUS) 6-3 6-2   
03 Miami            32 W TANASUGARN        (THA) 6-2 6-0   
03 Miami            16 W WEINGARTNER       (GER) 6-1 6-2   
03 Miami            QF L RUBIN             (USA) 3-6 2-6   
03 San Diego        32 W DANIILIDOU        (GRE) 6-1 6-1

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Best wins

00 U.S. Open        32 W KOURNIKOVA        (RUS) 6-4 7-6   
01 Canadian Open    32 W SUGIYAMA          (JPN) 6-4 7-6   
01 U.S. Open        64 W SCHNYDER          (SUI) 6-7 6-1 6-4   
01 Waikoloa         SF W RAYMOND           (USA) 6-2 6-2   
02 Canadian Open    16 W SCHIAVONE         (ITA) 6-3 7-6   
03 San Diego        32 W DANIILIDOU        (GRE) 6-1 6-1

all Losses

99 US Open         128 L MAURESMO          (FRA) 1-6 4-6   
00 Canadian Open    32 L DAVENPORT         (USA) 6-3 6-7 2-6   
00 New Haven        16 L COETZER           (RSA) 2-6 6-4 1-6   
00 U.S. Open        16 L DAVENPORT         (USA) 0-6 4-6   
01 Scottsdale       32 L SERNA             (ESP) 6-7 6-7   
01 Indian Wells     32 L CLIJSTERS         (BEL) 6-1 4-6 3-6   
01 Miami            32 L GARBIN            (ITA) 3-6 1-6   
01 Canadian Open    QF L SELES             (USA) 6-1 2-6 2-6   
01 New Haven        QF L V. WILLIAMS       (USA) 3-6 7-5 2-6   
01 U.S. Open        16 L S. WILLIAMS       (USA) 5-7 0-6   
01 Waikoloa         FR L TESTUD            (FRA) 3-6 0-2 Ret  
02 Indian Wells     16 L HANTUCHOVA        (SVK) 3-6 3-6   
02 Miami            64 L PISTOLESI         (ISR) 7-6 3-6 4-6   
02 Stanford         32 L IRVIN             (USA) 3-6 6-4 1-6   
02 Canadian Open    QF L CAPRIATI          (USA) 6-4 0-6 2-6   
02 New Haven        16 L MYSKINA           (RUS) 5-7 2-6   
02 U.S. Open        16 L HANTUCHOVA        (SVK) 1-6 6-3 6-7   
03 Miami            QF L RUBIN             (USA) 3-6 2-6
WHy is she losing to Marissa Irvin in 2002?
 

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I think she hurt her hand during the match against Marissa Irvin. It was only in the third set, so it could never have been an easy match.

I'm sure this year Henin will beat better players.
 

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I think you can ignore these results now that she has a GS. She has improved so much since the spring and her confidence is the highest of anyone at the moment. It is her weakest surface though, but she will improve. She played brilliantly against Daniilidou.
 

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OK, first of all, who even cares about whether it's in America or outside of America?
If Justine beats Lindsay in Australia on hardcourts, and Monica in Dubai, that's good enough for me.

Did you know Serena hasn't beaten ANY top 15 player on Estonian hardcourts? :eek:
 
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Glenn said:
OK, first of all, who even cares about whether it's in America or outside of America?
If Justine beats Lindsay in Australia on hardcourts, and Monica in Dubai, that's good enough for me.

Did you know Serena hasn't beaten ANY top 15 player on Estonian hardcourts? :eek:
But she sure defeated them on all the other hardcourts! :D
 

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Glenn said:
OK, first of all, who even cares about whether it's in America or outside of America?
If Justine beats Lindsay in Australia on hardcourts, and Monica in Dubai, that's good enough for me.

Did you know Serena hasn't beaten ANY top 15 player on Estonian hardcourts? :eek:
Lame. Two similar surfaces can play completely different in two diffferent countries. Leave alone such vastly different surfaces as RA and Decoturf. They are MUCH more different than, say, green clay and red clay. And country does matter. Take, for instance, Yevgeny Kafelnikov. They say he sucks on grass. In fact, he sucks on English grass. But on German grass he is the king. Go figure..
 

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It's NOT a good record. She's never beaten a top 15 player on American hardcourts.
I advise you to check Kournikova's ranking at the time she was beaten by Henin. I think you might have to revise your statement :p
 

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I advise you to check Kournikova's ranking at the time she was beaten by Henin. I think you might have to revise your statement :p
:lol:

Volcano: :banghead:
 

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Volcana said:
It's NOT a good record. She's never beaten a top 15 player on American hardcourts.

Code:
99 US Open         128 L MAURESMO          (FRA) 1-6 4-6   
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00 Canadian Open    64 W SVENSSON          (SWE) 6-2 4-6 6-3   
00 Canadian Open    32 L DAVENPORT         (USA) 6-3 6-7 2-6   
00 New Haven        32 W APPELMANS         (BEL) 6-2 6-4   
00 New Haven        16 L COETZER           (RSA) 2-6 6-4 1-6   
00 U.S. Open       128 W LABAT             (ARG) 6-2 6-4   
00 U.S. Open        64 W MOLIK             (AUS) 6-2 6-2   
00 U.S. Open        32 W KOURNIKOVA        (RUS) 6-4 7-6   
00 U.S. Open        16 L DAVENPORT         (USA) 0-6 4-6   
-- --------------- --- - ---------------------------     
01 Scottsdale       32 L SERNA             (ESP) 6-7 6-7   
01 Indian Wells     64 W RITTNER           (GER) 6-3 6-4   
01 Indian Wells     32 L CLIJSTERS         (BEL) 6-1 4-6 3-6   
01 Miami            64 W BOVINA            (RUS) 6-2 6-2   
01 Miami            32 L GARBIN            (ITA) 3-6 1-6   
01 Canadian Open    32 W SUGIYAMA          (JPN) 6-4 7-6   
01 Canadian Open    16 W FRAZIER           (USA) 6-3 6-2   
01 Canadian Open    QF L SELES             (USA) 6-1 2-6 2-6   
01 New Haven        32 W SVENSSON          (SWE) 6-2 6-3   
01 New Haven        16 W SCHETT            (AUT) 6-3 6-2   
01 New Haven        QF L V. WILLIAMS       (USA) 3-6 7-5 2-6   
01 U.S. Open       128 W IRVIN             (USA) 6-3 6-3   
01 U.S. Open        64 W SCHNYDER          (SUI) 6-7 6-1 6-4   
01 U.S. Open        32 W VAVRINEC          (SUI) 6-3 6-2   
01 U.S. Open        16 L S. WILLIAMS       (USA) 5-7 0-6   
01 Waikoloa         32 W DOMINIKOVIC       (AUS) 6-2 6-0   
01 Waikoloa         16 W PRATT             (AUS) 6-1 6-4   
01 Waikoloa         QF W CRAYBAS           (USA) 6-0 6-4   
01 Waikoloa         SF W RAYMOND           (USA) 6-2 6-2   
01 Waikoloa         FR L TESTUD            (FRA) 3-6 0-2 Ret  
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02 Indian Wells     64 W MATEVZIC          (SLO) 5-7 6-4 6-4   
02 Indian Wells     32 W Ad. SERRA ZANETTI (ITA) 6-3 6-0   
02 Indian Wells     16 L HANTUCHOVA        (SVK) 3-6 3-6   
02 Miami            64 L PISTOLESI         (ISR) 7-6 3-6 4-6   
02 Stanford         32 L IRVIN             (USA) 3-6 6-4 1-6   
02 Canadian Open    32 W NAGYOVA           (SVK) 5-7 6-0 4-1 Ret  
02 Canadian Open    16 W SCHIAVONE         (ITA) 6-3 7-6   
02 Canadian Open    QF L CAPRIATI          (USA) 6-4 0-6 2-6   
02 New Haven        16 L MYSKINA           (RUS) 5-7 2-6   
02 U.S. Open       128 W REEVES            (USA) 6-1 6-2   
02 U.S. Open        64 W BLACK             (ZIM) 6-3 6-2   
02 U.S. Open        32 W BIELIK            (USA) 7-5 6-1   
02 U.S. Open        16 L HANTUCHOVA        (SVK) 1-6 6-3 6-7   
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03 Miami            64 W DOUCHEVINA        (RUS) 6-3 6-2   
03 Miami            32 W TANASUGARN        (THA) 6-2 6-0   
03 Miami            16 W WEINGARTNER       (GER) 6-1 6-2   
03 Miami            QF L RUBIN             (USA) 3-6 2-6   
03 San Diego        32 W DANIILIDOU        (GRE) 6-1 6-1

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Best wins

00 U.S. Open        32 W KOURNIKOVA        (RUS) 6-4 7-6   
01 Canadian Open    32 W SUGIYAMA          (JPN) 6-4 7-6   
01 U.S. Open        64 W SCHNYDER          (SUI) 6-7 6-1 6-4   
01 Waikoloa         SF W RAYMOND           (USA) 6-2 6-2   
02 Canadian Open    16 W SCHIAVONE         (ITA) 6-3 7-6   
03 San Diego        32 W DANIILIDOU        (GRE) 6-1 6-1

all Losses

99 US Open         128 L MAURESMO          (FRA) 1-6 4-6   
00 Canadian Open    32 L DAVENPORT         (USA) 6-3 6-7 2-6   
00 New Haven        16 L COETZER           (RSA) 2-6 6-4 1-6   
00 U.S. Open        16 L DAVENPORT         (USA) 0-6 4-6   
01 Scottsdale       32 L SERNA             (ESP) 6-7 6-7   
01 Indian Wells     32 L CLIJSTERS         (BEL) 6-1 4-6 3-6   
01 Miami            32 L GARBIN            (ITA) 3-6 1-6   
01 Canadian Open    QF L SELES             (USA) 6-1 2-6 2-6   
01 New Haven        QF L V. WILLIAMS       (USA) 3-6 7-5 2-6   
01 U.S. Open        16 L S. WILLIAMS       (USA) 5-7 0-6   
01 Waikoloa         FR L TESTUD            (FRA) 3-6 0-2 Ret  
02 Indian Wells     16 L HANTUCHOVA        (SVK) 3-6 3-6   
02 Miami            64 L PISTOLESI         (ISR) 7-6 3-6 4-6   
02 Stanford         32 L IRVIN             (USA) 3-6 6-4 1-6   
02 Canadian Open    QF L CAPRIATI          (USA) 6-4 0-6 2-6   
02 New Haven        16 L MYSKINA           (RUS) 5-7 2-6   
02 U.S. Open        16 L HANTUCHOVA        (SVK) 1-6 6-3 6-7   
03 Miami            QF L RUBIN             (USA) 3-6 2-6
WHy is she losing to Marissa Irvin in 2002?
02 Indian Wells 16 L HANTUCHOVA (SVK) 3-6 3-6
02 Miami 64 L PISTOLESI (ISR) 7-6 3-6 4-6
02 Stanford 32 L IRVIN (USA) 3-6 6-4 1-6

Both Belgians didn't play well last year on the American hardcourts.

We will see what happens this year (Kim already won 1 tournament).

Kim hasn't lost this year against a player out of the top 4 (except against Ai, Ai later said that Kim told her that she had a lot "female trouble" that day).

Justine lost against Dementieva (having MP) and against Rubin (non-top 4). Both losses surprised me enormously.

Both Belgians combined have this year a 10-0 h2h against Davenport, Capriati, Mauresmo and Seles.
 

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As of Year 2003:

Win/Loss rekord on Hardcourt

Serena 100% Won: Australian open, Paris, Miami
Kim 87.87% Won: Stanford, Indian Wells, Sydney
Venus 87.50% Won: Antwerp
Justine 80% Won: Dubai
Mauresmo 76.92% Won :-
Rubin 73.68% Won: -
Davenport 73.68% Won: -
Capriati 70% Won:-



Australian Open at Melbourne, Australia
January 13, 2003
Surface: Hardcourt
Round Opponent W/L Score
R128 Myriam Casanova (SUI) W 6-3 6-4
R64 Anna Kournikova (RUS) W 6-0 6-1
R32 Katarina Srebotnik (SLO) W 6-2 6-0
R16 Lindsay Davenport (USA) W 7-5 5-7 9-7
QF Virginia Ruano Pascual (ESP) W 6-2 6-2
SF Venus Williams (USA) L 3-6 3-6


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Dubai, United Arab Emirates
February 17, 2003
Surface: Hardcourt
Round Opponent W/L Score
R32 Bye
R16 Anca Barna (GER) W 1-6 6-2 6-4
QF Anastasia Myskina (RUS) W 6-1 6-4
SF Jennifer Capriati (USA) W 7-5 4-6 6-4
F Monica Seles (USA) W 4-6 7-6(4) 7-5



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Justine´s shown us some improvement on hardcourts, but I can´t see her beating Serena, Venus nor Kim on hardcourts! She did beat Lindsay, but I doubt she can do it on american hardcourts.
 

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I think Justine can, and will win alot more titles on hardcourts in the coming years. I don't think she'll get past the semis at the U.S. Open this year, but she has more potential on hardcourts than most of the girls around her. She has made major improvements and grown her game into a more mature, well-rounded allcourt attack. I think if she begins to utilize her terrific slice backhand, and makes the commitment to follow it to the net, she can have a major breakthrough. All the tools are in place, Justine!
 

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Some Belgian fans are becoming as sensitive and paranoid as some Williams fans. Analysis of results is part and parcel of following tennis closely, and anyone who knows Volcana will be aware that he does this for all players.

ys is right: country certainly does matter. It's highly telling that the hard courts on which Justine has had the greatest success are the slowest around.

I agree with the basic proposition that, relative to her results elsewhere, Justine is not that good on US hard courts (NOTE: not the same as saying that she is flat out not good on them). I think her record will improve this year for two reasons - one, the extra confidence she's gained after winning a Slam, and two, the improvements in her game which have lifted her to new realms of consistency. As of now, though, she's far from being a US Open favourite.
 

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Some Belgian fans are becoming as sensitive and paranoid as some Williams fans. Analysis of results is part and parcel of following tennis closely, and anyone who knows Volcana will be aware that he does this for all players.

ys is right: country certainly does matter. It's highly telling that the hard courts on which Justine has had the greatest success are the slowest around.

I agree with the basic proposition that, relative to her results elsewhere, Justine is not that good on US hard courts (NOTE: not the same as saying that she is flat out not good on them). I think her record will improve this year for two reasons - one, the extra confidence she's gained after winning a Slam, and two, the improvements in her game which have lifted her to new realms of consistency. As of now, though, she's far from being a US Open favourite.
I've seen this a lot from Volcana and I'm happy he does this.

Serena and Venus still seem a lot better than all the rest, but I still feel that Kim comes the closest of all the contenders. The loss against Serena at the Aus Open is a very bad loss. Serena would have had 650 points less and Kim would have had 400 points more (even if she had lost the final against Venus). All the statistics of the averages are being influenced by this match. Kim would have had by now a massive lead on Serena, so it's dangerous to claim Kim doesn't deserve the ranking she has now. I feel Kim could have had a lot more wins (Kim against Justine in Berlin, against Ai, against Venus at Wimbledon, against Serena at the Aus Open).
 

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I've seen this a lot from Volcana and I'm happy he does this.

Serena and Venus still seem a lot better than all the rest, but I still feel that Kim comes the closest of all the contenders. The loss against Serena at the Aus Open is a very bad loss. Serena would have had 650 points less and Kim would have had 400 points more (even if she had lost the final against Venus). All the statistics of the averages are being influenced by this match. Kim would have had by now a massive lead on Serena, so it's dangerous to claim Kim doesn't deserve the ranking she has now. I feel Kim could have had a lot more wins (Kim against Justine in Berlin, against Ai, against Venus at Wimbledon, against Serena at the Aus Open).
I don't like statements like this, because it's all 'if's' and 'would have's'.

In a few weeks time she's most likely no. 1 and she'll have earned it.
Let's keep it at that.
 

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could, if, as, would have ... the scores is the only thing that counts!

btw I don't see anything about Kim in sartrista7's post? The post is a good one were even I, a justine-fan, could find myself in ;)
 

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I don't know why Volcano tries to point this out now, as Justine just put up a great performance against a great player on hardcourt.
Maybe it's just because he's bored because Serena and Venus won't play until US Open. :)
 
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