I think she hurt her hand during the match against Marissa Irvin. It was only in the third set, so it could never have been an easy match.
I'm sure this year Henin will beat better players.
I'm sure this year Henin will beat better players.
Justine on hardcourts II
It's NOT a good record. She's never beaten a top 15 player on American hardcourts.
WHy is she losing to Marissa Irvin in 2002?
Code:
99 US Open 128 L MAURESMO (FRA) 1-6 4-6
-- --------------- --- - ---------------------------
00 Canadian Open 64 W SVENSSON (SWE) 6-2 4-6 6-3
00 Canadian Open 32 L DAVENPORT (USA) 6-3 6-7 2-6
00 New Haven 32 W APPELMANS (BEL) 6-2 6-4
00 New Haven 16 L COETZER (RSA) 2-6 6-4 1-6
00 U.S. Open 128 W LABAT (ARG) 6-2 6-4
00 U.S. Open 64 W MOLIK (AUS) 6-2 6-2
00 U.S. Open 32 W KOURNIKOVA (RUS) 6-4 7-6
00 U.S. Open 16 L DAVENPORT (USA) 0-6 4-6
-- --------------- --- - ---------------------------
01 Scottsdale 32 L SERNA (ESP) 6-7 6-7
01 Indian Wells 64 W RITTNER (GER) 6-3 6-4
01 Indian Wells 32 L CLIJSTERS (BEL) 6-1 4-6 3-6
01 Miami 64 W BOVINA (RUS) 6-2 6-2
01 Miami 32 L GARBIN (ITA) 3-6 1-6
01 Canadian Open 32 W SUGIYAMA (JPN) 6-4 7-6
01 Canadian Open 16 W FRAZIER (USA) 6-3 6-2
01 Canadian Open QF L SELES (USA) 6-1 2-6 2-6
01 New Haven 32 W SVENSSON (SWE) 6-2 6-3
01 New Haven 16 W SCHETT (AUT) 6-3 6-2
01 New Haven QF L V. WILLIAMS (USA) 3-6 7-5 2-6
01 U.S. Open 128 W IRVIN (USA) 6-3 6-3
01 U.S. Open 64 W SCHNYDER (SUI) 6-7 6-1 6-4
01 U.S. Open 32 W VAVRINEC (SUI) 6-3 6-2
01 U.S. Open 16 L S. WILLIAMS (USA) 5-7 0-6
01 Waikoloa 32 W DOMINIKOVIC (AUS) 6-2 6-0
01 Waikoloa 16 W PRATT (AUS) 6-1 6-4
01 Waikoloa QF W CRAYBAS (USA) 6-0 6-4
01 Waikoloa SF W RAYMOND (USA) 6-2 6-2
01 Waikoloa FR L TESTUD (FRA) 3-6 0-2 Ret
-- --------------- --- - ---------------------------
02 Indian Wells 64 W MATEVZIC (SLO) 5-7 6-4 6-4
02 Indian Wells 32 W Ad. SERRA ZANETTI (ITA) 6-3 6-0
02 Indian Wells 16 L HANTUCHOVA (SVK) 3-6 3-6
02 Miami 64 L PISTOLESI (ISR) 7-6 3-6 4-6
02 Stanford 32 L IRVIN (USA) 3-6 6-4 1-6
02 Canadian Open 32 W NAGYOVA (SVK) 5-7 6-0 4-1 Ret
02 Canadian Open 16 W SCHIAVONE (ITA) 6-3 7-6
02 Canadian Open QF L CAPRIATI (USA) 6-4 0-6 2-6
02 New Haven 16 L MYSKINA (RUS) 5-7 2-6
02 U.S. Open 128 W REEVES (USA) 6-1 6-2
02 U.S. Open 64 W BLACK (ZIM) 6-3 6-2
02 U.S. Open 32 W BIELIK (USA) 7-5 6-1
02 U.S. Open 16 L HANTUCHOVA (SVK) 1-6 6-3 6-7
-- --------------- --- - ---------------------------
03 Miami 64 W DOUCHEVINA (RUS) 6-3 6-2
03 Miami 32 W TANASUGARN (THA) 6-2 6-0
03 Miami 16 W WEINGARTNER (GER) 6-1 6-2
03 Miami QF L RUBIN (USA) 3-6 2-6
03 San Diego 32 W DANIILIDOU (GRE) 6-1 6-1
Code:
Best wins
00 U.S. Open 32 W KOURNIKOVA (RUS) 6-4 7-6
01 Canadian Open 32 W SUGIYAMA (JPN) 6-4 7-6
01 U.S. Open 64 W SCHNYDER (SUI) 6-7 6-1 6-4
01 Waikoloa SF W RAYMOND (USA) 6-2 6-2
02 Canadian Open 16 W SCHIAVONE (ITA) 6-3 7-6
03 San Diego 32 W DANIILIDOU (GRE) 6-1 6-1
all Losses
99 US Open 128 L MAURESMO (FRA) 1-6 4-6
00 Canadian Open 32 L DAVENPORT (USA) 6-3 6-7 2-6
00 New Haven 16 L COETZER (RSA) 2-6 6-4 1-6
00 U.S. Open 16 L DAVENPORT (USA) 0-6 4-6
01 Scottsdale 32 L SERNA (ESP) 6-7 6-7
01 Indian Wells 32 L CLIJSTERS (BEL) 6-1 4-6 3-6
01 Miami 32 L GARBIN (ITA) 3-6 1-6
01 Canadian Open QF L SELES (USA) 6-1 2-6 2-6
01 New Haven QF L V. WILLIAMS (USA) 3-6 7-5 2-6
01 U.S. Open 16 L S. WILLIAMS (USA) 5-7 0-6
01 Waikoloa FR L TESTUD (FRA) 3-6 0-2 Ret
02 Indian Wells 16 L HANTUCHOVA (SVK) 3-6 3-6
02 Miami 64 L PISTOLESI (ISR) 7-6 3-6 4-6
02 Stanford 32 L IRVIN (USA) 3-6 6-4 1-6
02 Canadian Open QF L CAPRIATI (USA) 6-4 0-6 2-6
02 New Haven 16 L MYSKINA (RUS) 5-7 2-6
02 U.S. Open 16 L HANTUCHOVA (SVK) 1-6 6-3 6-7
03 Miami QF L RUBIN (USA) 3-6 2-61 - 20 of 73 Posts
She broke her finger or something
you seem so obsesssed with justine these days........this should be hiding something ( fear?)
I think you can ignore these results now that she has a GS. She has improved so much since the spring and her confidence is the highest of anyone at the moment. It is her weakest surface though, but she will improve. She played brilliantly against Daniilidou.
OK, first of all, who even cares about whether it's in America or outside of America?
If Justine beats Lindsay in Australia on hardcourts, and Monica in Dubai, that's good enough for me.
Did you know Serena hasn't beaten ANY top 15 player on Estonian hardcourts?
If Justine beats Lindsay in Australia on hardcourts, and Monica in Dubai, that's good enough for me.
Did you know Serena hasn't beaten ANY top 15 player on Estonian hardcourts?
But she sure defeated them on all the other hardcourts!Glenn said:OK, first of all, who even cares about whether it's in America or outside of America?
If Justine beats Lindsay in Australia on hardcourts, and Monica in Dubai, that's good enough for me.
Did you know Serena hasn't beaten ANY top 15 player on Estonian hardcourts?
Lame. Two similar surfaces can play completely different in two diffferent countries. Leave alone such vastly different surfaces as RA and Decoturf. They are MUCH more different than, say, green clay and red clay. And country does matter. Take, for instance, Yevgeny Kafelnikov. They say he sucks on grass. In fact, he sucks on English grass. But on German grass he is the king. Go figure..Glenn said:OK, first of all, who even cares about whether it's in America or outside of America?
If Justine beats Lindsay in Australia on hardcourts, and Monica in Dubai, that's good enough for me.
Did you know Serena hasn't beaten ANY top 15 player on Estonian hardcourts?
I advise you to check Kournikova's ranking at the time she was beaten by Henin. I think you might have to revise your statementIt's NOT a good record. She's never beaten a top 15 player on American hardcourts.
:lol:great smash said:I advise you to check Kournikova's ranking at the time she was beaten by Henin. I think you might have to revise your statement
Volcano:
02 Indian Wells 16 L HANTUCHOVA (SVK) 3-6 3-6Volcana said:It's NOT a good record. She's never beaten a top 15 player on American hardcourts.
Code:99 US Open 128 L MAURESMO (FRA) 1-6 4-6 -- --------------- --- - --------------------------- 00 Canadian Open 64 W SVENSSON (SWE) 6-2 4-6 6-3 00 Canadian Open 32 L DAVENPORT (USA) 6-3 6-7 2-6 00 New Haven 32 W APPELMANS (BEL) 6-2 6-4 00 New Haven 16 L COETZER (RSA) 2-6 6-4 1-6 00 U.S. Open 128 W LABAT (ARG) 6-2 6-4 00 U.S. Open 64 W MOLIK (AUS) 6-2 6-2 00 U.S. Open 32 W KOURNIKOVA (RUS) 6-4 7-6 00 U.S. Open 16 L DAVENPORT (USA) 0-6 4-6 -- --------------- --- - --------------------------- 01 Scottsdale 32 L SERNA (ESP) 6-7 6-7 01 Indian Wells 64 W RITTNER (GER) 6-3 6-4 01 Indian Wells 32 L CLIJSTERS (BEL) 6-1 4-6 3-6 01 Miami 64 W BOVINA (RUS) 6-2 6-2 01 Miami 32 L GARBIN (ITA) 3-6 1-6 01 Canadian Open 32 W SUGIYAMA (JPN) 6-4 7-6 01 Canadian Open 16 W FRAZIER (USA) 6-3 6-2 01 Canadian Open QF L SELES (USA) 6-1 2-6 2-6 01 New Haven 32 W SVENSSON (SWE) 6-2 6-3 01 New Haven 16 W SCHETT (AUT) 6-3 6-2 01 New Haven QF L V. WILLIAMS (USA) 3-6 7-5 2-6 01 U.S. Open 128 W IRVIN (USA) 6-3 6-3 01 U.S. Open 64 W SCHNYDER (SUI) 6-7 6-1 6-4 01 U.S. Open 32 W VAVRINEC (SUI) 6-3 6-2 01 U.S. Open 16 L S. WILLIAMS (USA) 5-7 0-6 01 Waikoloa 32 W DOMINIKOVIC (AUS) 6-2 6-0 01 Waikoloa 16 W PRATT (AUS) 6-1 6-4 01 Waikoloa QF W CRAYBAS (USA) 6-0 6-4 01 Waikoloa SF W RAYMOND (USA) 6-2 6-2 01 Waikoloa FR L TESTUD (FRA) 3-6 0-2 Ret -- --------------- --- - --------------------------- 02 Indian Wells 64 W MATEVZIC (SLO) 5-7 6-4 6-4 02 Indian Wells 32 W Ad. SERRA ZANETTI (ITA) 6-3 6-0 02 Indian Wells 16 L HANTUCHOVA (SVK) 3-6 3-6 02 Miami 64 L PISTOLESI (ISR) 7-6 3-6 4-6 02 Stanford 32 L IRVIN (USA) 3-6 6-4 1-6 02 Canadian Open 32 W NAGYOVA (SVK) 5-7 6-0 4-1 Ret 02 Canadian Open 16 W SCHIAVONE (ITA) 6-3 7-6 02 Canadian Open QF L CAPRIATI (USA) 6-4 0-6 2-6 02 New Haven 16 L MYSKINA (RUS) 5-7 2-6 02 U.S. Open 128 W REEVES (USA) 6-1 6-2 02 U.S. Open 64 W BLACK (ZIM) 6-3 6-2 02 U.S. Open 32 W BIELIK (USA) 7-5 6-1 02 U.S. Open 16 L HANTUCHOVA (SVK) 1-6 6-3 6-7 -- --------------- --- - --------------------------- 03 Miami 64 W DOUCHEVINA (RUS) 6-3 6-2 03 Miami 32 W TANASUGARN (THA) 6-2 6-0 03 Miami 16 W WEINGARTNER (GER) 6-1 6-2 03 Miami QF L RUBIN (USA) 3-6 2-6 03 San Diego 32 W DANIILIDOU (GRE) 6-1 6-1
WHy is she losing to Marissa Irvin in 2002?Code:Best wins 00 U.S. Open 32 W KOURNIKOVA (RUS) 6-4 7-6 01 Canadian Open 32 W SUGIYAMA (JPN) 6-4 7-6 01 U.S. Open 64 W SCHNYDER (SUI) 6-7 6-1 6-4 01 Waikoloa SF W RAYMOND (USA) 6-2 6-2 02 Canadian Open 16 W SCHIAVONE (ITA) 6-3 7-6 03 San Diego 32 W DANIILIDOU (GRE) 6-1 6-1 all Losses 99 US Open 128 L MAURESMO (FRA) 1-6 4-6 00 Canadian Open 32 L DAVENPORT (USA) 6-3 6-7 2-6 00 New Haven 16 L COETZER (RSA) 2-6 6-4 1-6 00 U.S. Open 16 L DAVENPORT (USA) 0-6 4-6 01 Scottsdale 32 L SERNA (ESP) 6-7 6-7 01 Indian Wells 32 L CLIJSTERS (BEL) 6-1 4-6 3-6 01 Miami 32 L GARBIN (ITA) 3-6 1-6 01 Canadian Open QF L SELES (USA) 6-1 2-6 2-6 01 New Haven QF L V. WILLIAMS (USA) 3-6 7-5 2-6 01 U.S. Open 16 L S. WILLIAMS (USA) 5-7 0-6 01 Waikoloa FR L TESTUD (FRA) 3-6 0-2 Ret 02 Indian Wells 16 L HANTUCHOVA (SVK) 3-6 3-6 02 Miami 64 L PISTOLESI (ISR) 7-6 3-6 4-6 02 Stanford 32 L IRVIN (USA) 3-6 6-4 1-6 02 Canadian Open QF L CAPRIATI (USA) 6-4 0-6 2-6 02 New Haven 16 L MYSKINA (RUS) 5-7 2-6 02 U.S. Open 16 L HANTUCHOVA (SVK) 1-6 6-3 6-7 03 Miami QF L RUBIN (USA) 3-6 2-6
02 Miami 64 L PISTOLESI (ISR) 7-6 3-6 4-6
02 Stanford 32 L IRVIN (USA) 3-6 6-4 1-6
Both Belgians didn't play well last year on the American hardcourts.
We will see what happens this year (Kim already won 1 tournament).
Kim hasn't lost this year against a player out of the top 4 (except against Ai, Ai later said that Kim told her that she had a lot "female trouble" that day).
Justine lost against Dementieva (having MP) and against Rubin (non-top 4). Both losses surprised me enormously.
Both Belgians combined have this year a 10-0 h2h against Davenport, Capriati, Mauresmo and Seles.
As of Year 2003:
Win/Loss rekord on Hardcourt
Serena 100% Won: Australian open, Paris, Miami
Kim 87.87% Won: Stanford, Indian Wells, Sydney
Venus 87.50% Won: Antwerp
Justine 80% Won: Dubai
Mauresmo 76.92% Won :-
Rubin 73.68% Won: -
Davenport 73.68% Won: -
Capriati 70% Won:-
Australian Open at Melbourne, Australia
January 13, 2003
Surface: Hardcourt
Round Opponent W/L Score
R128 Myriam Casanova (SUI) W 6-3 6-4
R64 Anna Kournikova (RUS) W 6-0 6-1
R32 Katarina Srebotnik (SLO) W 6-2 6-0
R16 Lindsay Davenport (USA) W 7-5 5-7 9-7
QF Virginia Ruano Pascual (ESP) W 6-2 6-2
SF Venus Williams (USA) L 3-6 3-6
3
Dubai, United Arab Emirates
February 17, 2003
Surface: Hardcourt
Round Opponent W/L Score
R32 Bye
R16 Anca Barna (GER) W 1-6 6-2 6-4
QF Anastasia Myskina (RUS) W 6-1 6-4
SF Jennifer Capriati (USA) W 7-5 4-6 6-4
F Monica Seles (USA) W 4-6 7-6(4) 7-5
greetings
Toontje
Win/Loss rekord on Hardcourt
Serena 100% Won: Australian open, Paris, Miami
Kim 87.87% Won: Stanford, Indian Wells, Sydney
Venus 87.50% Won: Antwerp
Justine 80% Won: Dubai
Mauresmo 76.92% Won :-
Rubin 73.68% Won: -
Davenport 73.68% Won: -
Capriati 70% Won:-
Australian Open at Melbourne, Australia
January 13, 2003
Surface: Hardcourt
Round Opponent W/L Score
R128 Myriam Casanova (SUI) W 6-3 6-4
R64 Anna Kournikova (RUS) W 6-0 6-1
R32 Katarina Srebotnik (SLO) W 6-2 6-0
R16 Lindsay Davenport (USA) W 7-5 5-7 9-7
QF Virginia Ruano Pascual (ESP) W 6-2 6-2
SF Venus Williams (USA) L 3-6 3-6
3
Dubai, United Arab Emirates
February 17, 2003
Surface: Hardcourt
Round Opponent W/L Score
R32 Bye
R16 Anca Barna (GER) W 1-6 6-2 6-4
QF Anastasia Myskina (RUS) W 6-1 6-4
SF Jennifer Capriati (USA) W 7-5 4-6 6-4
F Monica Seles (USA) W 4-6 7-6(4) 7-5
greetings
Toontje
Well time to break with the tradition, I'd say
Justine´s shown us some improvement on hardcourts, but I can´t see her beating Serena, Venus nor Kim on hardcourts! She did beat Lindsay, but I doubt she can do it on american hardcourts.
I think Justine can, and will win alot more titles on hardcourts in the coming years. I don't think she'll get past the semis at the U.S. Open this year, but she has more potential on hardcourts than most of the girls around her. She has made major improvements and grown her game into a more mature, well-rounded allcourt attack. I think if she begins to utilize her terrific slice backhand, and makes the commitment to follow it to the net, she can have a major breakthrough. All the tools are in place, Justine!
Some Belgian fans are becoming as sensitive and paranoid as some Williams fans. Analysis of results is part and parcel of following tennis closely, and anyone who knows Volcana will be aware that he does this for all players.
ys is right: country certainly does matter. It's highly telling that the hard courts on which Justine has had the greatest success are the slowest around.
I agree with the basic proposition that, relative to her results elsewhere, Justine is not that good on US hard courts (NOTE: not the same as saying that she is flat out not good on them). I think her record will improve this year for two reasons - one, the extra confidence she's gained after winning a Slam, and two, the improvements in her game which have lifted her to new realms of consistency. As of now, though, she's far from being a US Open favourite.
ys is right: country certainly does matter. It's highly telling that the hard courts on which Justine has had the greatest success are the slowest around.
I agree with the basic proposition that, relative to her results elsewhere, Justine is not that good on US hard courts (NOTE: not the same as saying that she is flat out not good on them). I think her record will improve this year for two reasons - one, the extra confidence she's gained after winning a Slam, and two, the improvements in her game which have lifted her to new realms of consistency. As of now, though, she's far from being a US Open favourite.
I've seen this a lot from Volcana and I'm happy he does this.sartrista7 said:Some Belgian fans are becoming as sensitive and paranoid as some Williams fans. Analysis of results is part and parcel of following tennis closely, and anyone who knows Volcana will be aware that he does this for all players.
ys is right: country certainly does matter. It's highly telling that the hard courts on which Justine has had the greatest success are the slowest around.
I agree with the basic proposition that, relative to her results elsewhere, Justine is not that good on US hard courts (NOTE: not the same as saying that she is flat out not good on them). I think her record will improve this year for two reasons - one, the extra confidence she's gained after winning a Slam, and two, the improvements in her game which have lifted her to new realms of consistency. As of now, though, she's far from being a US Open favourite.
Serena and Venus still seem a lot better than all the rest, but I still feel that Kim comes the closest of all the contenders. The loss against Serena at the Aus Open is a very bad loss. Serena would have had 650 points less and Kim would have had 400 points more (even if she had lost the final against Venus). All the statistics of the averages are being influenced by this match. Kim would have had by now a massive lead on Serena, so it's dangerous to claim Kim doesn't deserve the ranking she has now. I feel Kim could have had a lot more wins (Kim against Justine in Berlin, against Ai, against Venus at Wimbledon, against Serena at the Aus Open).
I don't like statements like this, because it's all 'if's' and 'would have's'.rikvanlooy said:I've seen this a lot from Volcana and I'm happy he does this.
Serena and Venus still seem a lot better than all the rest, but I still feel that Kim comes the closest of all the contenders. The loss against Serena at the Aus Open is a very bad loss. Serena would have had 650 points less and Kim would have had 400 points more (even if she had lost the final against Venus). All the statistics of the averages are being influenced by this match. Kim would have had by now a massive lead on Serena, so it's dangerous to claim Kim doesn't deserve the ranking she has now. I feel Kim could have had a lot more wins (Kim against Justine in Berlin, against Ai, against Venus at Wimbledon, against Serena at the Aus Open).
In a few weeks time she's most likely no. 1 and she'll have earned it.
Let's keep it at that.
could, if, as, would have ... the scores is the only thing that counts!
btw I don't see anything about Kim in sartrista7's post? The post is a good one were even I, a justine-fan, could find myself in
btw I don't see anything about Kim in sartrista7's post? The post is a good one were even I, a justine-fan, could find myself in
I don't know why Volcano tries to point this out now, as Justine just put up a great performance against a great player on hardcourt.
Maybe it's just because he's bored because Serena and Venus won't play until US Open.
Maybe it's just because he's bored because Serena and Venus won't play until US Open.
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