Just Wondering.... WHY???

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VS Fan

Discussion Starter · Sep 6, 2003

I posted this on the US Open forum, but the 10 people over there have not so much as viewed it!

Anyone here have an opionon??
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WHY has NOONE labeled this semifinal of Jennifer vs Justine an ERRORFEST??

Hmmm.... I watched the match and certainly did not get that impression either, but the stats on the US Open site show 112 unforced errors committed. 69 by Justine and 43 by Jennifer.

If this had been Serena/Venus or Serena/Jennifer, this would have been hyped to the max.

Can ANYONE please tell me... just WHY is that!

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veryborednow

· #21 · Sep 6, 2003

I think the Williams finals will become classics after they've retired, when people realise what a ****ing amazing thing it is to have 2 sisters in a Grand Slam final on such a regular basis.
Something along the lines of 'you only apprecite things when they've gone"

so why are all Williams finals scrutinized then?

Because (1) It's so unique in the history of tennis (2) They're such a regular occurance people want a highly competitive matches every time (3) They seem so awkward when playing each other when they're so self-assured against anyone else. It's the only time you see that in them.

Most of those UEs were forced, the commentators said that. And when it's drama that good, I don't think anyone cares. IMHO I don't think the Williams sisters have really produced such drama, and maybe for a non-Williams fan it's difficult because they're so alike, it doesn't really matter who wins.

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SJW

· #22 · Sep 6, 2003

pretty good analysis

decemberlove

· #23 · Sep 6, 2003

ok, its NO ONE. two words. how come almost everyone on this board thinks its NOONE??

oh yeah, and can we not talk about vee and ree for two seconds please?

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tennisIlove09

· #24 · Sep 6, 2003

veryborednow said:
I think the Williams finals will become classics after they've retired, when people realise what a ****ing amazing thing it is to have 2 sisters in a Grand Slam final on such a regular basis.
Something along the lines of 'you only apprecite things when they've gone"

Because (1) It's so unique in the history of tennis (2) They're such a regular occurance people want a highly competitive matches every time (3) They seem so awkward when playing each other when they're so self-assured against anyone else. It's the only time you see that in them.

Most of those UEs were forced, the commentators said that. And when it's drama that good, I don't think anyone cares. IMHO I don't think the Williams sisters have really produced such drama, and maybe for a non-Williams fan it's difficult because they're so alike, it doesn't really matter who wins.

Yea, I would agree.

tennisIlove09

· #25 · Sep 6, 2003

SJW said:
i disagree. i think they are giving their all. its just they are so emotionally absent from the match. well Venus at least. whenever Serena plays you get emotion

Lately it has been. But I still say Venus didn't give 100% last Miami and Paris.

Martian KC

· #26 · Sep 6, 2003

Because they also had tons of winners and forced errors. It was an amazing match.

The sister matches, usually have just a ton of errors and hardly any winners.

SJW

· #27 · Sep 6, 2003

tennisIlove09 said:
Lately it has been. But I still say Venus didn't give 100% last Miami and Paris.

LMAO! ok of course that wasnt [email protected]%! that would be pretty sick wouldnt it

Miami....she played bad throughout the tourney

i remember watching her first set vs Dementieva and almost turning over. Paris....that was the worse W-W final. i dont even wanna talk about that

oh, and sorry Decemberlove

SJW

· #28 · Sep 6, 2003

Martian KC said:
The sister matches, usually have just a ton of errors and hardly any winners.

hmm....hardly any winners? i doubt it

tennisIlove09

· #29 · Sep 6, 2003

Martian KC said:
Because they also had tons of winners and forced errors. It was an amazing match.

The sister matches, usually have just a ton of errors and hardly any winners.

But that doesn't add up either. One could agrue that the reason the sisters have hardly any winners is because they run everything down!

decemberlove

· #30 · Sep 6, 2003

SJW said:
LMAO! ok of course that wasnt [email protected]%! that would be pretty sick wouldnt it

Miami....she played bad throughout the tourney i remember watching her first set vs Dementieva and almost turning over. Paris....that was the worse W-W final. i dont even wanna talk about that

oh, and sorry Decemberlove

i just dont see why people cant enjoy the match we were given last night. instead of all this "if it were blah, or blah and blah, itd be different - DOUBLE STANDARD!! oh no!", well it wasnt blah, or blah and blah, so get the fuck over it and shut the fuck up. thats all im saying, sweets :kiss:

:kiss:

SJW

· #31 · Sep 6, 2003

decemberlove said:
i just dont see why people cant enjoy the match we were given last night. instead of all this "if it were blah, or blah and blah, itd be different - DOUBLE STANDARD!! oh no!", well it wasnt blah, or blah and blah, so get the fuck over it and shut the fuck up. thats all im saying, sweets

hmmmmmm i hear ya

but you know me, its so easy for me to stray off topic :tape:

:tape:

i enjoyed the match last night.....i aint gonna lie. but my lack of sleep is showing today

decemberlove

· #32 · Sep 6, 2003

SJW said:
hmmmmmm i hear ya

but you know me, its so easy for me to stray off topic

i enjoyed the match last night.....i aint gonna lie. but my lack of sleep is showing today

i was directing my message at the thread starter anyway, not you silly.

and i just woke up three hours ago... 3pm

VS Fan

Discussion Starter · #33 · Sep 6, 2003

Well decemberlove, it's like this.

A williams fan cannot help but notice the double standard applied to ther performances.

I watched the match and actually thought is was a very fine match with rather few errors. Justine is just amazing to watch as she hits shots with much power while seeming to use so little effort in doing so. Her technique is just awesome.

When Serena plays the emphisis is always on power and she shows it in her serve and groundstrokes, yet Justine accomplishes the same thing while seeming to use little effort.

That being said, If this had been a Williams match, we would have heard "Serena commited 69 UFEs in her conquest of Jennifer". Actually I don't think Serena has EVER had that many errors in her matches vs Jen in the last EIGHT that she has won!
(most of them 3-Set affairs.)

Clearly, there IS a double standard of some kind, and it SHOULD be pointed out.

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SJW

· #34 · Sep 6, 2003

decemberlove said:
i was directing my message at the thread starter anyway, not you silly.

and i just woke up three hours ago... 3pm

ok Cari emotionally abuses me too :sad:

:sad:

im so hurt :sad:

:sad:

OMG you are such a lazy ass! i thought i was bad waking up at 1 oclock over the summer then going to bed when the sun rises

Hingiswinsthis

· #35 · Sep 6, 2003

because in those Venus and Serena finals, most of their errors come outright in a rally, whereas last night, most of the rallies lasted 15+ strokes, the longest i counted was a 24 one won by Justine

this certainly would give those venus and serena finals the impression of an error fest match. but as Ted Robinson said about last night "these types of matches are what the Williams sisters can't produce"...I partly disagree with that, but certainly last night was the most exciting and heart renching match all year.

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