Just Wondering.... WHY???

VS Fan · Sep 6, 2003

I posted this on the US Open forum, but the 10 people over there have not so much as viewed it!

Anyone here have an opionon??
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WHY has NOONE labeled this semifinal of Jennifer vs Justine an ERRORFEST??

Hmmm.... I watched the match and certainly did not get that impression either, but the stats on the US Open site show 112 unforced errors committed. 69 by Justine and 43 by Jennifer.

If this had been Serena/Venus or Serena/Jennifer, this would have been hyped to the max.

Can ANYONE please tell me... just WHY is that!

katrientje · Sep 6, 2003

It was so spectacular and emotional that we forgot about the 100+ UE's ;-)

Serendy Willick · Sep 6, 2003

VS Fan said:
I posted this on the US Open forum, but the 10 people over there have not so much as viewed it!

Anyone here have an opionon??
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WHY has NOONE labeled this semifinal of Jennifer vs Justine an ERRORFEST??

Hmmm.... I watched the match and certainly did not get that impression either, but the stats on the US Open site show 112 unforced errors committed. 69 by Justine and 43 by Jennifer.

If this had been Serena/Venus or Serena/Jennifer, this would have been hyped to the max.

Can ANYONE please tell me... just WHY is that!

Because its a bullshyt double standard thats why.

Ted of Teds Tennis · Sep 6, 2003

There were also 254 points played, from the stat I saw. That would make the majority of the points not be UEs.

Having said that, it was the most dramatic match I've seen in a long, long time, although the quality was probably a notch below the two USO semis between Hingis and Venus in 1999 and 2000.

SJW · Sep 6, 2003

because it wasnt a sister-sister final

the errors, especially from Henin's forehand, were poor. she has an amazing fh and for a long period, it let her down

Doc · Sep 6, 2003

Most of the so-called UEs weren't actually unforced. The people who do the stats often class everything that isn't a direct winner as an Unforced Error.

In some matches this is so. When someone hits a pat-a-cake volley into the net, this is clearly an unforced error. But a lot of the errors in the Justine-Jennifer match were "forced", in that they were caused by the high standard, pace or positioning of the opponent's shot.

I saw a lot of that sort of shot get put down as UEs on the scoreboard.

So the UE count in this match is unfairly high.

Infiniti2001 · Sep 6, 2003

Like I said in another thread-- people see what they want to see -- and there are those who will never miss any opportunity to criticize the Williames

katrientje · Sep 6, 2003

SJW said:
because it wasnt a sister-sister final

the errors, especially from Henin's forehand, were poor. she has an amazing fh and for a long period, it let her down

Indeed justine 's FH left the building after 4-1 in the first. Never seen it like that

Serendy Willick · Sep 6, 2003

Doc said:
Most of the so-called UEs weren't actually unforced. The people who do the stats often class everything that isn't a direct winner as an Unforced Error.

In some matches this is so. When someone hits a pat-a-cake volley into the net, this is clearly an unforced error. But a lot of the errors in the Justine-Jennifer match were "forced", in that they were caused by the high standard, pace or positioning of the opponent's shot.

I saw a lot of that sort of shot get put down as UEs on the scoreboard.

So the UE count in this match is unfairly high.

Yea, I knew someone would chop up that bullshyt excuse

Jennifers forehand stunk throughout that first set especially when Henin was up 4-1 and I guess Capriati just forced Henin to hit over 40 forehand errors.

SJW · Sep 6, 2003

katrientje said:
Indeed justine 's FH left the building after 4-1 in the first. Never seen it like that

right. when she has a slumping period, she finds it so hard to keep the ball in play for even one shot

tennisIlove09 · Sep 6, 2003

Venus made a lot of errors in her classic semi win over Hingis in 2000. But it's still a classic.

Last night was the best match all year.

Doc · Sep 6, 2003

Serendy Willick said:
Yea, I knew someone would chop up that bullshyt excuse Jennifers forehand stunk throughout that first set especially when Henin was up 4-1 and I guess Capriati just forced Henin to hit over 40 forehand errors.

Did you see the match?

I don't know what match YOU were watching, but that was acknowledged by commentators as one of the best women's tennis matches of all time! It was NOT an error-fest, as some people seem to be trying to insinuate. And anyone who says it was doesn't understand the basics of a competitive sport in which you have to take the standard and intensity of play into account, and not just read off statistics from a board.

SJW · Sep 6, 2003

so why are all Williams finals scrutinized then?

katrientje · Sep 6, 2003

SJW said:
right. when she has a slumping period, she finds it so hard to keep the ball in play for even one shot

Which makes it even more amazing that she managed to win the match.
I am still in a trance :angel:

tennisIlove09 · Sep 6, 2003

SJW said:
so why are all Williams finals scrutinized then?

probably because they aren't classics

SJW · Sep 6, 2003

katrientje said:
Which makes it even more amazing that she managed to win the match.
I am still in a trance

i agree totally

im not a Henin fan i admit......but ill be the first one to say that is the epitome of fight and desire.

and i cant do anything but commend her effort....even if it DID keep me up till 5 in the morning

Knizzle · Sep 6, 2003

It was an error fest, but it was still one of the most exciting, thrilling, edge of your seat matches of the year!!!

SJW · Sep 6, 2003

tennisIlove09 said:
probably because they aren't classics

well for you, im sure thats correct :tape:

i still cant help but feel you're kinda bitter about Serena beating Venus

tennisIlove09 · Sep 6, 2003

SJW said:
well for you, im sure thats correct

i still cant help but feel you're kinda bitter about Serena beating Venus

That has nothing to do with it! Part of the reason sister finals are bashed is because it comes across that both players aren't giving it their all. The match that comes close to a "classic" is the 2002 Wimbledon final. Otherwise, it's not thrilling, edge of your seat tennis. It's just not. Hopefully it'll get better in the next 10 years that they play

SJW · Sep 6, 2003

tennisIlove09 said:
That has nothing to do with it! Part of the reason sister finals are bashed is because it comes across that both players aren't giving it their all. The match that comes close to a "classic" is the 2002 Wimbledon final. Otherwise, it's not thrilling, edge of your seat tennis. It's just not. Hopefully it'll get better in the next 10 years that they play

i disagree. i think they are giving their all. its just they are so emotionally absent from the match. well Venus at least. whenever Serena plays you get emotion

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