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Yes of course what he said was homophobic, I don't know how anyone can defend it. That's pretty sad, I used to always defend him because in his tennis rants with journalists he nearly almost had a point, but I'm done with it, he showed who he is.

Not sure how you managed to drag Radwańska sisters to this though. I can't recall anything that would remotely suggest it. Not only they're generally diplomatic and would simply not write or perform anything like that, but Aga even worked with Navratilova as consultant. I don't know if Sveta is really gay or not, but she was one of Aga's favorite people on tour as well.

Yes, it's true a lot of people in Eastern Europe are homophobic. Not sure if more or less than in the West, maybe they just speak about it more publicly. Also, it's rapidly changing for the better.
 

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Would really like to know what she thinks about this, but she chickened out and didn't reply.
You only want me to get banned..I will not answer.
 

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I actually sort of can understand the perception that sometimes LGBT stuff is being 'forced' into some areas it's not necessarily needed but even that's on our behalf by others usually grinding political axes, not us ourselves.

If it was JUST a random kiss cam then that was especially immature by Jerzy.

All that said, fast forward a bit of time and I think Eastern Europe may be better for gays to live than Western :shrug:.
 

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This thread belongs in nontennis in the LGBT issues thread not in GM.
The mods/admin got it half right. Now had this been an issue of racism...
 

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I actually sort of can understand the perception that sometimes LGBT stuff is being 'forced' into some areas it's not necessarily needed but even that's on our behalf by others usually grinding political axes, not us ourselves.

If it was JUST a random kiss cam then that was especially immature by Jerzy.

All that said, fast forward a bit of time and I think Eastern Europe may be better for gays to live than Western :shrug:.
"LGBT stuff is being 'forced' into some areas it's not necessarily needed" and "immature" sound a bit like you want to excuse this behaviour.

And it seems like you do not know much about Europe.
 

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All that said, fast forward a bit of time and I think Eastern Europe may be better for gays to live than Western <img src="https://www.tennisforum.com/images/smilies/shrug.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Shrug" class="inlineimg" />.
You say that because of Islamisation? Cause if it happens the region won't be exactly western anymore.
 

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Actually, the perception of the ESC as a "gay event" is not the same in western and eastern Europe. In the west, most of the young people stopped watching the ESC more than 20 years ago, because it was so outdated and cringeworthy. Stuck in the 1980's. Too much show, glitter and fake emotions. The gay community stepped in and became the biggest fanbase.

But in eastern Europe, whose countries have participated in the ESC only since the mid-90's, the event is still being taken more seriously. Many more people are watching it, despite the influence of gay culture on the event.
Actually the contest is most watched in countries such as Spain, the UK, France, Germany and Italy.

https://eurovisionworld.com/esc/186-million-watched-eurovision-2018
 

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Actually the contest is most watched in countries such as Spain, the UK, France, Germany and Italy.

https://eurovisionworld.com/esc/186-million-watched-eurovision-2018
Well, in absolute numbers obviously, since those are the biggest European nations, plus they're guaranteed to have a representative in the final. But relative to the size of the population, those figures (if correct) for Serbia, Lithuania or Estonia are massive and easily dwarf those of France or Italy. Even for Greece that didn't even qualify for the final it's an impressive number.

But viewership figures aside, East European countries often send their absolute top, most popular performers. For example, Dima Bilan, Polina Gagarina and Sergey Lazarev are huge stars in Russia. When was the last time the UK sent someone truly relevant?
 

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In addition to my post, I said things are changing in Poland rapidly for the better. Yes, it used to be the case, but now I also noticed something else.

We have a super polarized political scene. Trust me, a lot of people who vote for the current ruling party are at least neutral to the LGBT case. They aren't neo-nazi or whatever big words are used to describe them, neither is the ruling party, they're just populists. And they end up doing some things right, some things wrong, like all of the parties (for example the homosexual leader of an opposition party, presenting himself as the most tolerant and enlightened, was found out to be beating up his own mother... so to me they're all worth one another. They all just say pretty words that mean nothing).

Unfortunately, this polarization goes stronger about a whole bunch of things (literally every day a new topic) which causes people to take one side and all of its opinions or another. No middle ground. And I think gay marriage or later even adoption *is* a middle ground thing. But unfortunately people who used to be neutral, unbothered, didn't have an opinion or maybe even were slightly positive ("we're all human after all") now take the opposite stance because of a package of other issues (even as dumb as cyclists on pavements) and get more radical in their own thinking.

By the way things like projects for sexual education for 3 years old or painting Holy Mary with LGBT rainbow got a lot of people angry and got them oppose to everything collectively, even if they were neutral before. By saying "neutral people" I mean people like my parents. Some older ones, raised in conservative environment but thinking that anyone can do what they want as long as they don't hurt anyone else - this is/was the most common default opinion in Poland, trust me. Even if it's not "pro gay enthusiastic" it's also not aggressive. I think with calm, peaceful approach the society would be gradually swinging, but now a lot of people shut their minds collectively and will dig themselves in a hole and raise children within the same hole of "us vs. them". So while most young people are open minded, there are also some who are talking themselves into being radically and vocally against. I rate Janowicz as something in the middle and as someone who can be convinced into opinion change :) But unfortunately there are worse than him who think it's their "duty" to speak up.

It's like a second generation of internet warriors to pick up their internet swords, like after mutation, and they won't go easily, because their anger doesn't come from primal ignorance (like I believe is in JJ's case, or in case of several other people who changed opinion / shut up in the last 10 years), but from thinking another group of interests is forcing several collective things upon them, and their duty is to fight it. Homosexuality is just a part of it.
 

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Jerzy is allowed to have an opinion. You don't have to like it. You are also allowed to have an opinion. Nobody has to like it.
Nope it doesn't work that way. Some opinions have no right to be said cause it's wrong. Tolerance is not about tolerating intolerant views. In order to have tolerance, discrimination has to be forbidden. That's the tolerance paradox.

Anything that is intolerant should be outlawed.
 

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Nope it doesn't work that way. Some opinions have no right to be said cause it's wrong. Tolerance is not about tolerating intolerant views. In order to have tolerance, discrimination has to be forbidden. That's the tolerance paradox.



Anything that is intolerant should be outlawed.
Who decides what is intolerant...
 

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Nope it doesn't work that way. Some opinions have no right to be said cause it's wrong. Tolerance is not about tolerating intolerant views. In order to have tolerance, discrimination has to be forbidden. That's the tolerance paradox.

Anything that is intolerant should be outlawed.
:facepalm:

Who decides what is intolerant...
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Who decides what is intolerant...
The people.

Such laws are voted by elected representatives. It is forbidden in most advanced countries to make homophobic remarks.
 
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