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I think its very close.
Is this peak Serena vs. Peak Graf
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I think its very close.
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This nothing to peak Mary!!! 
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Not even close 
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NO, not even close.
I think its very close.
1999 is Serena first full year.
Graf was not at her peak.
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1999 is much higher up on Serena's "best ever seasons" list than on Graf's.
Slow hardcourts (and IW is certainly a slow hardcourt) is the surface where Serena would have her best shot against Graf, judging by their career records on each surface.
In a 1999 match on slow hardcourts, Serena only won 7-5 in the third.
Thank you Spiritedenergy for posting the video that proves Peak Serena would have no chance against Peak Graf
Slow hardcourts (and IW is certainly a slow hardcourt) is the surface where Serena would have her best shot against Graf, judging by their career records on each surface.
In a 1999 match on slow hardcourts, Serena only won 7-5 in the third.
Thank you Spiritedenergy for posting the video that proves Peak Serena would have no chance against Peak Graf
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No, this was not Serena's bets ever season, much less her peak., that would come later1999 is much higher up on Serena's "best ever seasons" list than on Graf's.
Slow hardcourts (and IW is certainly a slow hardcourt) is the surface where Serena would have her best shot against Graf, judging by their career records on each surface.
In a 1999 match on slow hardcourts, Serena only won 7-5 in the third.
Thank you Spiritedenergy for posting the video that proves Peak Serena would have no chance against Peak Graf
I should remind you that Serena turn pro in 1998, and won USO in 1999.
It is also true that Graf had passed her peak.
It is hard to fudge the facts when there are so many easily accessible sources.
There is nothing wrong with being a critic of someone, but to keep your credibility, it helps to acknowledge once in a while to give credit where credit is due, or to simply abstain from leveling criticism with faulty logic .
One more point, as a critic, your audience is not only the WS fans, you must also remember you have followers.
We the WS fans already have a high level of skepticism about what you are criticisms base on deliberate reasoning.
You must worry about the followers, or better word would those who have sympathy for your views, and there are a few.
You do a disservice to them by not providing well reasoned arguments and conclusions. You lose credibility with them.
And that should be where you should be concerned, not with WS fans for who you already have contempt( and they probably feel the same about you), calling them Willytards
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And now the video with Grafs highlights, please.
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I have the full match in my video collection. This 10 minute video is misleading. Serena throughout the match was making very rookie tactical mistakes and was very predictable in her shots. She won this one based on her sheer speed, quickness and fearlessness.
But, based on current video evidence 30 year old Serena would dismiss that 30 year old Steffi is two easy sets and would also beat that 17 year old Serena in even easier two sets.
Now, 21 year old Serena versus 21 year old Steffi would be closer, but keep in mind that 21 year old Serena was better than 18-19 year old Monica, so we can deduct how that match would go.
But, based on current video evidence 30 year old Serena would dismiss that 30 year old Steffi is two easy sets and would also beat that 17 year old Serena in even easier two sets.
Now, 21 year old Serena versus 21 year old Steffi would be closer, but keep in mind that 21 year old Serena was better than 18-19 year old Monica, so we can deduct how that match would go.
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so what peak serena and peak graf actually do better the in this match? Because all i can see is them at their best, with serena winning 
from the highlights: for serena, top serve, top speed, top forehand, top volleys
for Graf, top serve, top volleys, top speed
from the highlights: for serena, top serve, top speed, top forehand, top volleys
for Graf, top serve, top volleys, top speed
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By the way, this match is very equivalent to the only time Federer played Sampras in a tournament. Yes, he won in 5, but Sampras was past his peak and Federer was still perfecting his game. Federer went on to become much better player, so did Serena.
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Dont know about 21 year old Steffi, but the 19 year old Steffi wipes the floor with Serena(any age) on clay and carpets, and wins in 3 sets on grass and hard courts.
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Is this a stabbed in the back by Parche version of Serena or just your imagination?Dont know about 21 year old Steffi, but the 19 year old Steffi wipes the floor with Serena(any age) on clay and carpets, and wins in 3 sets on grass and hard courts.
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30 year old Graf played only only complete tournament... Wimbledon, where she lost the final to Davenport. Based on that tournament , you think she loses to the 30 year old Serena, who lost to Stosur,Makarova and Razzano in grandslams, and struggled big time against Zheng and Shvedova! Sure! :lol:
Also, Graf, from two weeks shy of her 30th birthday to three weeks after her 30th won a GS title and made the final of another beating Hingis,Davenport,Seles,Venus. The (near)30 year old Graf beat a tougher field than the 30 yr old Serena.
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Reality babe!
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19 or 21 or 25, it doesn't matter when it comes to Steffi. Once she became a champion she was very consistent in her level of play.Dont know about 21 year old Steffi, but the 19 year old Steffi wipes the floor with Serena(any age) on clay and carpets, and wins in 3 sets on grass and hard courts.
Yes, on clay Serena loses most matches. But all other surfaces, at her peak performance, Serena dominates Steffi at any age 75% of the time. Too much power and speed. Steffi played powerful players and quick players in her career but not players who had both speed and power. Monica came closest, but Serena was faster than Monica and had better serve. Overall, Serena wins more matches than Monica against Steffi.
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You made me laugh please go back to your english 101 Serena can lift her game when she needs to
but I bet against 30 yr old graf she will only play 20% of her game and Enough to beat Graf
in straight sets who dominated
the world of tennis in weak era with her rival being stabbed...Well i cant blame u from defending Graf
as it shows ur just 1 of her deluded fans..Learn ur Facts Peak Graf stands no chance against
Peak Serena
Peak Henin
Peak Venus
Peak Seles
Peak Clijster
Peak Navratilova
I respect Graf's achievements but i just cant stand ur reasoning :smash:
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Let's not get lost in exact date technicalities. When I say 30 year old Graf I mean Steffi in 1999 season.
Serena is a different player- she has higher peaks and lower let downs than other champions. She is not as consistent- especially as she gets older. But when she gets up for a match, like against a top 5 player she shows her true form. You can bet your ass she would play Steffi every bit as determined as she plays Sharapova, Kvitova and Azarenka.
And that 1999 RG was on Hingis racquet. She only lost it due to her frail mentality and hostile crowd.
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You forgot Peak Jankovic and Peak Safina
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