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She is in double digits in slam wins. She's in the same league as Nav, Graf, Court, Evert (I know I'm missing someone) now. She's one of six in most slams won in the open era, and one of five to win the AO four times. She will surely win more slams. But, does this make her a GOAT? What will it take?
 

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BJK you are missing it looks like...and yes she's in GOAT territory, especially considering the fact that most didn't expect her to win a thing after 06....especially some of her fans :tape:

she's not THE GOAT...but she's up there :yeah:
 

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What will it take?? Another French, a few more slams. I don't think she has to have as many as Martina N or Steffi to be considered *THE* GOAT...at least not for me. But I do realize that Steffi and what she did in this sport is phenomenal, but that didn't have an impact on me personally, so she'll never be as great as Serena in my eyes.

There are a lot of intangibles such as changing the way the game is played, fashion, comebacks, mental toughness that also have to go into assessing Serena's overall stranglehold on this sport. She's already a legend and already one of the greats, but to be the greatest, she has more slams to win and hopefully that olympic gold in 2012.
 

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She is in double digits in slam wins. She's in the same league as Nav, Graf, Court, Evert (I know I'm missing someone) now. She's one of six in most slams won in the open era, and one of five to win the AO four times. She will surely win more slams. But, does this make her a GOAT? What will it take?
Helen Wills Moody and Billie Jean King are the others with at least 10, De, and of course Serena is one of the greatest of all time. I still think she has 10 more in her.
 

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Helen Wills Moody and Billie Jean King are the others with at least 10, De, and of course Serena is one of the greatest of all time. I still think she has 10 more in her.
With Venus around it'll be hard for Serena to reach 10 more. :shrug:
 

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With Venus around it'll be hard for Serena to reach 10 more. :shrug:
Dont you mean Clijsters :scared: :p

I think Vee is obviously tough at Wimb and USO, but not at AO or RG.
 

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Dang, how could I forget BJK. :lol: I'm so glad to hear you all say that. I didn't want to post this in GM, but after her win at AO and saw what league she was in, I thought, man Serena should be considered a GOAT. Not THE GOAT, but A GOAT, a legend. I don't know who is THE GOAT, there are so many intangibles with each era and generation to be considered.
 

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In my mind the all time greats can be grouped like this:

Tier One (in no specific order):
Helen Wills Moody (19), Chris Evert (18), Steffi Graf (22), Margaret Court (24), Martina Navratilova (18)

Tier Two (in no specific order)
Maureen Connolly (9), Billie Jean King (12), Serena Williams (10), Suzanne Lenglen (12), Monica Seles (9)

Tier Three (in no specific order)
Justine Henin (7), Venus Williams (7), Doris Hart (6), Margaret Osborne DuPont (6), Lousie Brough (6), Martina Hingis (5), Evonne Goolagong (7), Maria Bueno (7)

I list them like that because no-one can really argue, for example, that Justine Henin is better than Helen Wills Moody, but within the groups you can argue who is better, if someone really wanted to they could argue that Martina Hingis had a better career than Venus (it would be a very hard argument to make, but you could), either way...we're never going to reach a concensus.

Serena has pretty much been guaranteed a place as one of the all time greats since doing the Serena Slam and has probably been in the second tier since getting upto 7/8 slams. When Serena gets to ~14 slams and some other achievements to boot we can talk about moving her up to the first tier and really comparing her to Evert et al. Even with a few less slams I think Serena as best of her generation would fit into that group quite nicely.
 

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The Greatness of Serena


My 9-year-old daughter has taken an interest in tennis, so I made sure she saw the women's final of the Australian Open yesterday. It wasn't much of a match, but I wanted to make sure she got a good, long look at one of the greatest players of all time.

The Australian has become a second home for Serena Williams, who so easily dispatched Dinara Safina, 6-0, 6-3, and she made a point of telling the crowd afterward. "I don't get this everywhere," she said of the fans' unconditional adulation, and that's an understatement. She finds full appreciation at the U.S. Open, but the Wimbledon patrons -- perhaps numbed by too many big matches between Serena and her sister, Venus -- have a measured response. And as Serena said yesterday, "For whatever reason, even though I own an apartment there, the French don't clap for me."

It will be interesting to see how the Parisians react if Serena wins the upcoming French Open, because that would mark her 11th major title. She doesn't need to prove her worth on clay, having won the French in 2002, but that would truly leave no doubt as to the No. 1 player in the world -- as if that's even an issue.

Whatever the rankings say at any given time, Serena is positively unbeatable when she's on her game. I've seen most of her Wimbledon and U. S. Open matches over the years, and I can't recall a better performance than the one she staged against Safina. It's to Serena's credit that she has always treasured the Australian (this marked her fourth title there), and that has hardly been the case among great players historically. If you're wondering why this tournament seems slightly below the other majors in stature, it's because it was so blatantly ignored by significant players over the years. Injuries, political issues and travel considerations played a part, but in many cases, they felt it just wasn't worth the trip. Examples:

Andre Agassi: Didn't play the Australian in his first nine years on tour (he finally showed up in 1995 and won it).

Bjorn Borg: Played it exactly once in his career, in 1974, getting knocked out in the third round.

Jimmy Connors: In 23 years on tour, he played it twice, winning in 1974 and reaching the '75 final.

John McEnroe: Didn't play it until his seventh year on tour (1983), then skipped 5 of the next 10 and never did win it.

Chris Evert: Played it only once in her first 10 years.

Billie Jean King: Between 1970 and '81, didn't play it at all.

That's pretty bizarre, when you think about it. Serena has become a veritable institution in Melbourne, and it's always fascinating to consider that she has mixed her famously whimsical lifestyle with a career record that stands among the best.

I thought Chris Fowler did a credible job in the ESPN booth with Mary Carillo, and they had a rather spirited debate about Serena's commitment to tennis. Carillo is my favorite broadcaster in any sport, but I couldn't agree with her fervent wishes that Serena dedicate her entire life to the game. "I think she needs that time away to be happy," Fowler volunteered, respectfully, and he's right. Serena might have retired by now if she'd had nothing else but tennis. Engaging, well-rounded and extremely bright, Serena moves about the planet as a full-blown celebrity, loving every minute. Then she goes out and destroys the women's field, however it may be constructed, when she sets her mind to it. That's about as cool as it gets.



http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/threedotblog/detail?&entry_id=35273
 

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wow nice blog...really a good decision not to post this is GM number 1 queen de



















however i think we'll hear complaints about all the serena praise going on in here as well
 
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