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Pac-12 teams had a strong run (2012-2015) with USC challenging Stanford, then UCLA rising to prominence, and CAL in the mix. Most of those players graduated or turned pro and the roster isn't as formidable as before. In fact, I have to wonder if college tennis is being bypassed, altogether by the top American junior players.

First Mal Burdette turned pro, prompting Gibbsy to turn pro the following year. I knew Brady had a higher ceiling, although she played mostly #2 and #3 at UCLA. I think Robin Anderson is still on the tour, and so is Sabrina Santamaria and doubles specialist KK.

When I look at the November 15 rankings, 4 out of 5 players are recruited internationally. Many I have not heard of their names before. Those players are more likely to stay 4 years and cash in on a college education; whereas, American players see less value in a college education and see bigger rewards turning pro.

Then there's the impact of the rules changing to speed up the game. I am not a big fan of no-ad scoring. Honestly, if I wanted the match to end in less than an hour, I would rather go see a movie!
As a tennis fan, trying to watch all of the action on 6 courts is hard enough, then speeding it up, is putting the nail to the coffin. Top players with emphasis on turning pro, haven't found this rule change to be favorable. Now any player can win it if the match gets close. It use to be that the top players can always have time to comeback and work themselves back into the match. That's not necessarily the case anymore. It's now and even playing field.

Probably not good for college tennis.

Not much excitement going on in this forum in retrospect.
It's the death of college tennis and this forum...allegedly!
 

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As someone who is in college and plays tennis, I see it. It is just not popular among youngsters nowadays. They watch/play football and basketball. On public tennis courts, I mostly see older generations playing tennis (30's and up) and play with them. I'm like always the youngest one. And there is a disproportionate number of non-Americans, mostly from China and India (! to my surprise)
 

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Bank of the West will no longer be held at Stanford, which I think is a big blow to Stanford Tennis, as it allowed its players a wild card slot.

I just think the program is going downhill...
Saying the program is going downhill is a little morbid, no? While certainly the lack of BOW WC hurts their recruiting and they probably won't be winning 3 straight or 5 of the last 6 like they did in the early 2000s, they still won in 2016 and made the finals in 2017. Plus they're the pre-season #1.
 

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Saying the program is going downhill is a little morbid, no?
I thought the photo is morbid.



While certainly the lack of BOW WC hurts their recruiting and they probably won't be winning 3 straight or 5 of the last 6 like they did in the early 2000s, they still won in 2016 and made the finals in 2017. Plus they're the pre-season #1.
You know the rankings don't mean a thing.

Gordon looks to have the most potential to be a #1 player, since Gibbs/Ahn. Lord will start at #1 and Gordon at #2. Lampl has been clutch, but not consistent. I wonder if Arbuthnott will leap frog her and play at #3. Higuchi should be solid at #5. Shin will be at #6, hopefully, she'll be machine#2.

Maybe an outside threat at #4, but I think too many teams are equally competitive and their recruiting has suffered as top junior players (Bellis, Day, Liu) turned pro and more international players have leveled the playing field.
 

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Zhao might be the best or one of the best Stanford players of that group when all is said and done.
 

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You know the rankings don't mean a thing.

Gordon looks to have the most potential to be a #1 player, since Gibbs/Ahn. Lord will start at #1 and Gordon at #2. Lampl has been clutch, but not consistent. I wonder if Arbuthnott will leap frog her and play at #3. Higuchi should be solid at #5. Shin will be at #6, hopefully, she'll be machine#2.

Maybe an outside threat at #4, but I think too many teams are equally competitive and their recruiting has suffered as top junior players (Bellis, Day, Liu) turned pro and more international players have leveled the playing field.
Yea, rankings are sometimes laughable but this is the coaches poll so I think it's a good indication that coaches believe Stanford is also a threat for the title this year. But I think you're right that Stanford plays high risk/high reward (because they can) with their recruiting by going for girls who will maybe go pro and a lot of other schools are becoming competitive and also have less academic restrictions than Stanford. I think just like other sports, we'll start to see more parity across more schools as schools continue to invest more resources to keep up with the Stanford's of the world.

My prediction for Stanford's May lineup:
1. Gordon
2. Lord
3. Arbuthnott
4. Lampl
5. Higuchi
6. Shin

That's a pretty strong lineup if Arbuthnott continues her good form and Lampl steps it up.

Zhao might be the best or one of the best Stanford players of that group when all is said and done.
Yea which is sho shocking to me. She finished 2017 strong so we'll see if she can keep it up in 2018. I remember rolling my eyes when she turned pro since she had a disappointing last year in college.
 

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Zhao might be the best or one of the best Stanford players of that group when all is said and done.
My bet is on Ahn, as I feel she could handle the power better against bigger opponents.
I was impressed with Zhao, early on at Stanford, but she was flat her last year and I really had no idea she was going to turn pro. She plays mostly Canadian tournaments, so I haven't seen her play all that much to give her a fair opinion of her recent strong performance in 2017.
 

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Yea, rankings are sometimes laughable but this is the coaches poll so I think it's a good indication that coaches believe Stanford is also a threat for the title this year. But I think you're right that Stanford plays high risk/high reward (because they can) with their recruiting by going for girls who will maybe go pro and a lot of other schools are becoming competitive and also have less academic restrictions than Stanford. I think just like other sports, we'll start to see more parity across more schools as schools continue to invest more resources to keep up with the Stanford's of the world.

My prediction for Stanford's May lineup:
1. Gordon
2. Lord
3. Arbuthnott
4. Lampl
5. Higuchi
6. Shin
I agree that may be the ending line-up, but Lele usually doesn't allow a Freshman to leap frog a player, who played #1 and #2, so I say she starts with Lord at #1.

I really hope Lampl has a better year. She usually takes a set to get warmed up and find her groove, which worries, me with having to win 3 set matches all the time. I think Lampl and Shin may be the weakest links at this point, although having not seen Shin play, yet, but heard that she chases everything down.

Stanford #1? I don't know what happened to Ingrid Neel, but Gators lost alot of ground on Stanford. I predicted that Di Lorenzo was going to turn pro, but I thought she was going to give it another year and give Ohio a title shot. I think North Carolina and Vanderbilt have a good shot and I wouldn't count out Pepperdine as a dark horse, now that the ice princess is there. I hope to see more competition from Pac-12 with 2 or 3 teams in Top 10.
 

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I agree that may be the ending line-up, but Lele usually doesn't allow a Freshman to leap frog a player, who played #1 and #2, so I say she starts with Lord at #1.

I really hope Lampl has a better year. She usually takes a set to get warmed up and find her groove, which worries, me with having to win 3 set matches all the time. I think Lampl and Shin may be the weakest links at this point, although having not seen Shin play, yet, but heard that she chases everything down.

Stanford #1? I don't know what happened to Ingrid Neel, but Gators lost alot of ground on Stanford. I predicted that Di Lorenzo was going to turn pro, but I thought she was going to give it another year and give Ohio a title shot. I think North Carolina and Vanderbilt have a good shot and I wouldn't count out Pepperdine as a dark horse, now that the ice princess is there. I hope to see more competition from Pac-12 with 2 or 3 teams in Top 10.
That will probably make for a solid #6 then haha.

I agree, I think the front runners are Stanford, UNC, Vandy, Florida and Pepperdine who all appear pretty equal on paper. For some reason I thought Stefani left but with her back Pepperdine is a top contender. Despite not playing the indoors again this year, Stanford was smart to schedule Vanderbilt, Florida, and Pepperdine to try and buoy their ranking (assuming they win) since UCLA, USC, and Cal probably won't be ranked that high this year.
 

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Athletics and golf are probably the only individual sports that actually profit from being a part of NCAA? Can anyone enlighten me here?

Any sport that has majority of athletes turning pro while still in their teens is DOA in the NCAA system IMO.
 

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Yeah, I'm aware of ice hockey standards. I didn't know they play hockey in NCAA. What's the point if you've got all these farm teams and God knows how many lower leagues?

I recall NCAA made some rule changes that prevents players going to NBA straight from high school (like Bryant and Garnett did). Now everyone has to play at least one season at college? Basketball is probably the second best-selling NCAA sport after football?
 

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As with tennis, if you have aspirations of turning pro in hockey (and soccer) college is not the proper place to go.
Agree and the top tennis prospects do turn pro, but its a risky gamble considering that expenses on the tennis pro tour could run up to $150k a year. Just playing on the junior tour, parents can easily spend $2,000 to $3,000/month from age 12 to age 18.

A college scholarship offers a pay-off for the parents investment.
 

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The IIHF ice hockey tournament recently concluded with Canada defeating Sweden in an exciting finale. Both teams featured outstanding players who excel in juniors (developmental) leagues. When the USA played against Canada, its best players wilted in the final period. The players just did not have the stamina and strength to match up with the better conditioned Canadians. This because the best USA players were collegians. Had they played in the juniors programs which do not restrict practice hours, they would have been in far better shape and could likely have won.

It's the same with tennis and international football. The USA will never dominate either sport until we stop sending our best athletes to college and start sending them to developmental leagues as do the Europeans.
 

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That will probably make for a solid #6 then haha.

I agree, I think the front runners are Stanford, UNC, Vandy, Florida and Pepperdine who all appear pretty equal on paper. For some reason I thought Stefani left but with her back Pepperdine is a top contender. Despite not playing the indoors again this year, Stanford was smart to schedule Vanderbilt, Florida, and Pepperdine to try and buoy their ranking (assuming they win) since UCLA, USC, and Cal probably won't be ranked that high this year.
Shin was a question mark, as I heard about her locally here in Houston, but now "I guess" she's proven that she can play at #6.





So Lampl is still a question mark...so not quite there with a solid 6 players. :rolleyes:
 

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Shin was a question mark, as I heard about her locally here in Houston, but now "I guess" she's proven that she can play at #6.

So Lampl is still a question mark...so not quite there with a solid 6 players. :rolleyes:
Off topic but the Turati sisters at UT have been super impressive. I wonder why Gordon only played one match :confused: And yea, Lampl hasn't been super impressive this fall.
 

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Stanford #1? I don't know what happened to Ingrid Neel, but Gators lost alot of ground on Stanford. I predicted that Di Lorenzo was going to turn pro, but I thought she was going to give it another year and give Ohio a title shot. I think North Carolina and Vanderbilt have a good shot and I wouldn't count out Pepperdine as a dark horse, now that the ice princess is there. I hope to see more competition from Pac-12 with 2 or 3 teams in Top 10.
Pepperdine just defeated Vanderbilt to advance to the Indoor Final against North Carolina.

I am thinking that Lauren Embree is giving Pepperdine the confidence they need to make it to the top!

I am Stanford is keeping a down low in the background with Lord out of the line-up...still alot of time left until May or not?
 

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UNC beats Pepperdine 4-2 to win indoors again. They are very deep and healthy.

Impressive run by Pepperdine, though, playing indoors, which is foreign to them, and without #1 Stefani, who was playing Fed Cup for Brazil. They could easily be NCAA champs in May, if they keep this up.

Apparently both Elyse Lavender (current #1 for LSU) and Brooke Austin from Florida are no longer on their teams, and Arconada is still awaiting NCAA clearance, so why not play another $25K in Surprise this week, lol. Very curious as to what happened to Austin and Lavender...
 
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